Topic: Archive: live-chat/live-blog of the debate

[IronDioPriest]

I'll hang there for a bit and see if anybody shows up. Guess we could've planned it out in advance...

If you wanna join me, login at the chat bar at the bottom of the homepage.

[rickl]

Oh, that reminds me.  The Phillies game is on.  (turns on radio)

Argh.  They're losing 6-0 to Washington in the 8th inning.

[IronDioPriest]

You're gonna let me dangle in here all alone huh?

[John Florida]

Sorry I was watching the debate,what was it you asked?

[charlesoakwood]

JF get the heck on in hear

[John Florida]

I have to say that Obama is going to have his hands full keeping his job. Between the economy and any of these people (except Paul and a couple of othere)will kick his ass all over the place.We really do have a great group of people this go around.

 I feel good about this election.

[charlesoakwood]

I have to say that Obama is going to have his hands full keeping his job. Between the economy and any of these people (except Paul and a couple of othere)will kick his ass all over the place.We really do have a great group of people this go around.

 I feel good about this election.

 

[John Florida]

Did you hear that last one. I believe that two dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than Obama has.

[charlesoakwood]

It's in the chat room.

[IronDioPriest]

Archive:

IronDioPriest: logs in on 9/20/2011 10:18 am (ct).
IronDioPriest: logs in on 9/22/2011 8:03 pm (ct).
IronDioPriest: Rick Perry: Tort reform
IronDioPriest: Bret Baier: Perry, where's your jobs plan?
IronDioPriest: Finally... Romney brings up energy, something that's beeen missing from these debates
IronDioPriest: Who cares what the definition of "rich" is. It's irrrelevant
IronDioPriest: Bachmann: you earn 100% of your income, you should get to keep 100% of your income... except that obviously, you have to give some of it back to government...
IronDioPriest: Kind of incoherent
IronDioPriest: mmm, good question... federal right to work law.
IronDioPriest: gotta hand it to Gingrich
IronDioPriest: great answer on unemployment
IronDioPriest: no unempoloyment for doing nothing - must have some job training requirement attached
IronDioPriest: Huntsman, we're divided because of the economy? How does that jive with division during the CLinton years? The Bush years?
IronDioPriest: Bah.
IronDioPriest: crowd cheers Cain's 9-9-9 plan
IronDioPriest: Go Herman!!!
IronDioPriest: Romney making promises he can't keep, "I'll get that done in my first year"
IronDioPriest: Paul: veto every single bill that violates the 10th amendment
IronDioPriest: If we want gov to do these things, there is no authority in the constitution for them to be done by the federasl government
IronDioPriest: majority of Fox viewers polled say that $1,000,000 is the threshhold for "rich". I don't like the focus on that. It's irrelevant.
IronDioPriest: Is GovernorScott drunk?
IronDioPriest: Whether the nominee is perry or romney or someone else, these two guys are going to tear each other apart, and will emerge damaged
IronDioPriest: Huntsman 2011 is more of a muppet than Romney of 2007
IronDioPriest: Herman Cain: I would eliminate the EPA
IronDioPriest: Cain is on fire tonight
IronDioPriest: Gingrich rejects the premise of the question, and rightly so
IronDioPriest: why is Gary Johnson here?
IronDioPriest: Santorum's answer on education is good - system doesn't serve the customer
Charles Oakwood: logs in on 9/22/2011 8:43 pm (ct).
IronDioPriest: Hey Charles
Charles Oakwood: Just got here, guess baseball wins
IronDioPriest: Ron Paul: if you care about your children, you'll get the federal govt out of the business of educating your kids
Charles Oakwood: Michele has received, well now it
IronDioPriest: Twins are in a downward spiral, I'm done with BB
Charles Oakwood: it's three questions
IronDioPriest: have you been watching the whole thing?
Charles Oakwood: g night
Charles Oakwood: yes I've been watching
IronDioPriest: Romney is slapping Perry around like a red-headed stepchild
Charles Oakwood: don't understand how a concerned can avoid it
Charles Oakwood: It's not his best night.
IronDioPriest: great answer by Bachmann
IronDioPriest: Cain is doing SO GOOD
IronDioPriest: I don't see how this guy is being overlooked by primary voters in polling
Charles Oakwood: They are all on their game.
Charles Oakwood: Here we go it's immigration time
IronDioPriest: nice tan governor H
IronDioPriest: hair looks nice too
IronDioPriest: I'm sorry, he talks and I hear charlie brown's teacher
IronDioPriest: Dayam Bachmann! Good answer
IronDioPriest: I think everify presents unintended consequences
IronDioPriest: Newt just said basically thast
IronDioPriest: english as the officail language of govt
IronDioPriest: wow
IronDioPriest: devastating blow
Charles Oakwood: put the assets on the ground and we will seal the border
Charles Oakwood: attack their benefits
IronDioPriest: the legislating is still on the books mandating the border fence, and it is not being built
Charles Oakwood: most google searches: best SUV/mpg - mini cars need not apply
IronDioPriest: falling on compassionate conservatism to justify his instate tuition for illegals
Charles Oakwood: better working than on the dole
IronDioPriest: Perry is getting torn apart
Charles Oakwood: Dick Morris predicted he would drop to even with Romney
IronDioPriest: I would really love for this flavor of the day crap to stop, and for someone to emerge
IronDioPriest: I love what I'm seeing from Cain tonight
IronDioPriest: If Ron Paul stood for the things he stands for (aside from foreign policy) , but stood 6'2" and looked like Mitt Romney, it'd be a whole different ballgame
IronDioPriest: I'm going to try archiving this record and posting it in a thread
IronDioPriest: Just lost audio
Charles Oakwood: Maybe, but that goofy part would be larger also.
IronDioPriest: are you watching online or on tv?
Charles Oakwood: TV
IronDioPriest: i'm watching on foxnews.com, and I've lost the audio
IronDioPriest: chit
IronDioPriest: what's herman saying?
Charles Oakwood: Herman is solid for Israel
Charles Oakwood: Asking Perry about rogue nukes
Charles Oakwood: Make sure India knows we're it's ally
Charles Oakwood: Same with Taiwan
Charles Oakwood: should have helped them arm more
Charles Oakwood: Santorum not for taking military out of Iraq
IronDioPriest: there, it's back nopw
IronDioPriest: it was my computer
IronDioPriest: I had to relaunch my audio interface
Charles Oakwood: drats
Charles Oakwood: Santorum want to be friends with Pakie
IronDioPriest: I think the best candidates have the weakest campaign support
IronDioPriest: really like Cain and Santorum
IronDioPriest: ooh, don't like that though
IronDioPriest: don't trust pakistan
Charles Oakwood: Santorum supported Specter, that's cut it
IronDioPriest: yip, you're right
Charles Oakwood: Johnson is an ironman competitor
Charles Oakwood: he climbed Mt. Everest
IronDioPriest: that's impressive
Charles Oakwood: Bachmann, Cuba is a state sponsor or terrorism'
IronDioPriest: damn straight
IronDioPriest: the website is lagging - you typed that as she was saying it
IronDioPriest: the ambassador the China is saying we don't have a forreign policy? So... what've you been doing for the last three years?
Charles Oakwood: Church and state
Charles Oakwood: The US govt should not be a state church
Charles Oakwood: Exercise faith in a public square
Charles Oakwood: ------ gay soldiers o
IronDioPriest: not "we should be able to allow", but the constitution guarantees
IronDioPriest: Ugh.. I'm a gay solddier
Charles Oakwood: Santorum - no social expiramentation in militaryh
Charles Oakwood: Paul - absolute respect for life - BUT
IronDioPriest: only the moral charachter of the people will solve the problem, not the law
IronDioPriest: good answer
IronDioPriest: but a bit weasely
IronDioPriest: I love Herman Cain
Charles Oakwood: Cain I'm alive because my care was on the Drs time table not the govertments
IronDioPriest: Cain strikes a major blow against Obamacare'
Charles Oakwood:
Charles Oakwood: Huntsman, healthcare is the size of the gdp of France
IronDioPriest: man, this live feed is really lagging
IronDioPriest: wallace just asking hunstman question now
Charles Oakwood: He's talking to Bachmann about HPV'
IronDioPriest: just said the france thing now
IronDioPriest: so it's lagging by about two minutes orr so
Charles Oakwood: Bachmann
Charles Oakwood: Bachmann's beating dead horse
IronDioPriest: I was afraid she would
IronDioPriest: Where's that heartbroken mother?
IronDioPriest: you'd think the media would've found her by now
IronDioPriest: Perry seems weak and canned to me
IronDioPriest: you getting that?
Charles Oakwood: That may promote Bachman
IronDioPriest: wow I just realized Romney hasn't spoken for a long time
Charles Oakwood: That's a true story that's been known a long time. He spoke at her funeral
IronDioPriest: the mother? I was referring to Bachmann'
IronDioPriest: bachmanns reference to the HPV retard mother
Charles Oakwood: Bachmann: media finds mother it gives Bachmann face time
IronDioPriest: Wow, Romney promises to issue EO waiver to all 50 states for OCare
IronDioPriest: I think Romney has bested Perry in every contentious exchange
Charles Oakwood: For some reason P's holding back the bombast
Charles Oakwood: Pandora and JF are up and apparently not coming
IronDioPriest: looks that way
Charles Oakwood: Huntsman: Boone Pickens had a great idea - Ouch
IronDioPriest: ugh
IronDioPriest: wasn't he the wind farm guy?
Charles Oakwood: Or better, which was a ruse to sell water to Dallas - he's as worried about awg as I am
IronDioPriest: Man, Cain is really doing a great job
IronDioPriest: I'd be surprised if Cain doesn't surge after tonight
Charles Oakwood: I thought he did well last time - better this time
IronDioPriest: This is the first I've seen Perry in anything other than sound bytes. I'm, not impressied
Charles Oakwood: Johnson
IronDioPriest: I haven't disagreed with a word spoken by Ron Paul tonight so ffar
Charles Oakwood: Johnson's two dogs and my horse
Charles Oakwood: I like Paul -- -- until he goes off track
IronDioPriest: yup, and he always does
Charles Oakwood: ']\[
Charles Oakwood: Dumb question gNewt calls it
Charles Oakwood: Bachmann: Conservatives don't have to settle
IronDioPriest: Romney - sense of humor
IronDioPriest: Great answer Michele
IronDioPriest: wow, newt gets 2 VP nods
IronDioPriest: huntsman makes a good point re; perry/romney bludgeoning each other to death
IronDioPriest: all done! Well, maybe next time I'
IronDioPriest: I'
Charles Oakwood: Perry exits left others exit right
IronDioPriest: I'll plan out a chat session in advance and invite people ahead of time

[IronDioPriest]

I don't see how Perry overcomes his stance on illegal immigration. In-state tuition for illegals, while kids from neighboring states pay full tuition? Outrageous.

The post-debate analysis on the live feed at foxnews.com is that Perry failed to land blows against Romney.

[charlesoakwood]

I don't see how Perry overcomes his stance on illegal immigration. In-state tuition for illegals, while kids from neighboring states pay full tuition? Outrageous.

The post-debate analysis on the live feed at foxnews.com is that Perry failed to land blows against Romney.

He should have made clear that the tuition thing is a state's option. He did fail to land blows and a couple of times when he could have scored he let it drift away.

Romney's such a tell. Right now he's talking to Hannity about Perry and saying that if Perry had known he was going to run for president he would have done things differently. 

Romney is saying that Perry is duplicitous but what he is really doing is exposing his own duplicity.  In other words 'if I were going to  run for president I would do things to promote my winning regardless what I thought right or wrong'.   

That exemplifies Romney.
That is exactly why he should not be president.


 

[charlesoakwood]

Hannity is talking to Romney and Bachmann and who knows else about Perry.  Fox is in the tank for Romney.
O'Really
Hannity
Dick Morris
Dennis Miller

Why not Santorum also?

[IronDioPriest]

...Fox is in the tank for Romney...

The machine spits out the one whose turn is next. The machine says it's Romney's turn. The machine needs to have sand thrown in the gears.

[charlesoakwood]

Is the baseball game that good?
Is the baseball game that important?

[charlesoakwood]

Illegal immigration and the Texas college tuition disagreement.

Allahpundit on Perry’s “you don’t have a heart” moment:

   " Perry’s answer is a transparent dodge, of course, and Santorum rightly calls him on it.  The question isn’t whether children of illegals should be educated, it’s whether they should be subsidized by taxpayers with in-state tuition rates."

This is a state's issue not a federal issue. A state's college system may do what the state wants to do. The argument about tax dollars is erroneous.  The state voted yes for it and the state is paying for it.  No federal money is involved with state college tuition.   Whether it attracts illegals is debatable.  To be eligible one must be enrolled in school for 2 or more years and be on a path to citizenship.  I don't think masses are going to run swim across the border so that they may enroll in high school for two years, sign up for the path to citizenship, then enroll in college.  They come across the border to  be ditchdiggers, bussboys, landscapers, and such.  The others came across the border for the freebies and Ron Paul pretty well covered that.

[charlesoakwood]

Quote of the night:
                            if Newt Gingrich could operate like he debates he’d be President.
                                                                                                                        Eric Ericson

[ttomm46]

what a show..Chrissy Wallace said Romney and Perry need to stop going at it like they have been....this after fox was getting them going in the first place..

Afterwords Juan Williams said the only one that made any strides forward was Huntsman..

Juan is a total waste of oxygen...fox is getting just as liberal as CNN anymore...

[trapeze]

I did watch the debate (while doing office work so no blogging).

My opinion:

Ron Paul and Huntsman were their usual douche selves. Huntsman gave one of the most ridiculous non-answers that I have ever heard at the beginning of the debate. Made me wonder if he wasn't paying attention and didn't know what the question was. With all the crap going on with Israel and the Palestinians I was surprised that no one baited RP with a question on it. Lucky for him because he can't help himself when it comes to defending our enemies.

Perry cannot handle a debate atmosphere. His position on immigration is completely unacceptable. For me, it's a deal-breaker. Which is not to say that I don't understand the in-state tuition for illegals issue...I do. I don't agree with it but I understand it. And that is despite Perry's complete and total inability to explain it to the audience. Why couldn't he just say that 1) this is a state issue, 2) it was voted for by the legislature overwhelmingly and 3) my veto would have been over-ruled anyway? His fumbling of this explanation just made the whole thing worse. I would have respected his performance tonight a lot more if he could have just laid off of attacking Romney. On the positive side he was one of the few candidates who seemed to try hard to actually answer questions posed.

Romney is a huge liar. He lied about a lot of stuff and didn't get called on hardly any of it. Why? The media, sure, if they are in the tank for him as they seem to be. But the other candidates could have but didn't challenge him on his crap. Very irritating. How come he gets to skate on RomneyCare (it's a state issue) and Perry takes the hit for the in-state tuition for illegals thing?

Bachmann dodged the "Gardasil=instant retards" question...blamed it on the imaginary mother of instant retard. I guess the reason that no one went after her was that she has lost so much support in the last week that there isn't much left to win in terms of stripping away more of her support. Anyway, she seemed almost desperate at times to try and claw her way back to relevance..."Excuse me but I know something about Cuba!" She hammered Perry on his connections to Merck and got away with the fact that she has received money from just about every pharmaceutical company except for Merck...Perry should have slapped her down with that but wasted the opportunity.

Gary Johnson (remind me again why he is there) and his one big moment was all that the FNC people took away from the debate. Problem is that Limbaugh did the exact same joke on his show earlier today. Johnson shamelessly stole it. A lot of people listen to Rush and they will know who said it first. He should have credited Rush. Anyway, without that "big joke" he was totally forgettable.

Santorum also looked kind of desperate, at one point getting into a semi-shouting match with (was it Romney?). He shouldn't be flailing like this. It's undignified and, worse, un-presidential.

This is the second debate in a row where I have come away with the thought that Gingrich and Cain looked the most reasonable of the lot. Cain, I think, would make a good president but I don't see him getting much traction. I hope that I am wrong on that. Gingrich I have mixed feelings about. I think he is pretty damn sharp...seems way smarter than most of the other candidates...but on the other hand he has zero exec experience and we all know how that works out. Plus, he's mainly an idea guy...big ideas. I am not convinced that he has the discipline to get any of them off of the drawing board and into law.

Sadly, if I was forced to put money down (right now, today) on who I think the nominee is going to be, I would pick Romney as the guy who is going to come out on top. Perry could have been that guy but now I don't see it happening. His intransigence on immigration is his undoing. I am not a Romney fan at all but at this point, barring something else happening, I think that he is going to win. He is this year's McCain apparently.

Sure hope that Cain can somehow pull off a miracle, though.

[trapeze]

Oh, yeah...and I hated this debate. I can't say that I have liked any of the last three or four. They aren't making me want to support any of the candidates. They are making me have strong aversions to most of the candidates. And that's not what I want. I want to be able to support someone, to say, "This one is the best and I'm gonna send their campaign some money," kind of support. Instead I get the feeling that I'm going to be saying, "Wow, this candidate sucks least...sure hope they can win." Plus, "If they do win I sure hope they don't turn out to be an establishment douche who really screws the pooch and makes me embarrassed that I voted for them."