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Romney flip-flopping on homosexual issues
« on: September 23, 2011, 02:27:54 PM »
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Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney may have taken his share of criticism for flip-flopping on healthcare, but now pro-family activist and author Amy Contrada is challenging Romney on social issues in a book titled, Mitt Romney's Deception – His Stealth Promotion of "Gay Rights" and "Gay Marriage" in Massachusetts. With over 600 pages of in-depth analysis, Contrada cites numerous examples of Romney's support, or lack thereof, on social and pro-family issues.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/romneys-positions-on-homosexuality-abortion-rights-uncovered-in-new-book-53931/

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Re: Romney flip-flopping on homosexual issues
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2011, 04:58:37 PM »
 ::facepalm:: ::bashing:: ::doh::
Just another politician.
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Re: Romney flip-flopping on homosexual issues
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2011, 06:24:23 PM »
::facepalm:: ::bashing:: ::doh::
Just another politician.
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Re: Romney flip-flopping on homosexual issues
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2011, 06:27:58 PM »

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Re: Romney flip-flopping on homosexual issues
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2011, 09:21:31 PM »
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Re: Romney flip-flopping on homosexual issues
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2011, 09:57:16 PM »
I will never,ever vote for this pos.
Under any circumstances.
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Re: Romney flip-flopping on homosexual issues
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2011, 10:01:22 PM »

Hey Dan, long time.


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Re: Romney flip-flopping on homosexual issues
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2011, 10:14:37 PM »
 Yeah, a little busy and a little too outraged.
I stomped off, but that wore off, so now I need another dose!

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That oughta' do it!
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Re: Romney flip-flopping on homosexual issues
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2011, 07:12:11 AM »

Small dog-leg off topic:

http://biggovernment.com/publius/2011/09/23/gop-debate-reaction/

Mike Flynn: Last night, two men debated over the presidency while 7 others debated over cabinet positions. The people jockeying for the cabinet won. The best answers of the night came from Cain, Gingrich and, shock, Huntsman. But then, it is easy to out-perform when you face zero expectations or pressure.

I’m hungover from the debates. No, not in the obvious, literal sense. More that my euphoria over Obama’s plummeting poll numbers is giving way to a nagging sense that none of these candidates is up to the task at hand. Romney gives the most polished, “general election” performance, but I can’t trust him. He’s a handsome Bob Dole, who would equivocate or hedge on every challenge we face. Rick Perry seems to understand these challenges, but appears not quite equipped to deal with them. His heart is in the right place but, so far, it isn’t quite enough. He has, perhaps, one more shot to get it right or…we are going into November with the handsome Bob Dole.


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Re: Romney flip-flopping on homosexual issues
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2011, 07:30:02 AM »
I am coming more to the view that it is best to listen not to what each says, but to look at what each does or has done.  Take Michelle Bachmann, for instance; one formerly could say about her that she walked the talk, but her talk these days is a bit disconcerting, as in vaccines may cause brain damage.  Perhaps she is simply a bad campaigner, considering the speed with which events arise these days preventing a decent interval to accurately gather intel and assess a situation.  Does this reflect the way in which she would govern, considering her voting record to date, and the fact that, at bottom, her position on government mandating vaccination is in line with conservative principles?  

Each current candidate can be assessed in the same manner; each has a record, some of which can be and is defended, some which cannot be and either isn't or isn't defended very well.

I am aware that the voting public generally is blown which ever way the latest revelations hit them, so there is that to overcome, particularly with the pundits and the media appropriating and disbursing the "proper" view.

Deciding who to support based on debate skills is, to me, using a false measurement; a winner of debates simply means the candidate can debate well, not necessarily govern well.
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Re: Romney flip-flopping on homosexual issues
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2011, 01:32:58 PM »

I concur. Watching Wall Street Week in review one of the commentators spoke to Romney taking whatever position polls 59%. Another commentator spoke to Perry being an entirely different person than the staged presentation.

Michele Bachmann, by Santorum I think, was ridiculed for not having done anything in congress where in reality she has put forward some excellent bills which have gone nowhere because of no support by Party People like the accuser.
Even Paul Johnson, reduced taxes and increased New Mexico's revenue and is an iron man athlete.  

How what they have done comports with what we want is the most important thing.




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Re: Romney flip-flopping on homosexual issues
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2011, 01:53:47 PM »
I agree with what you two are saying with caveats. Debate performance might not be a good indicator for who we select as a nominee, but it will be important in the general election campaign. As unfortunate as it is, the ideas need to be sold to the people, and the candidate has limited opportunity to do so - the debates being a one-on-one comparison that moves people one way or the other. So I think a good debater is somewhere on the list of prerequisites for the nominee. I don't know where I'd place it on that list, but I think it needs to be there.

Also, while deeds are primary - actions speak louder than words, my momma always told me - words matter too. At least they give us something upon which to base accountability.

You know I am no fan whatsoever of Mitt Romney. I think he was a big government republican governor of a liberal state who is now trying to convince people he was a conservative all along. That reeks.

That said, he made a specific promise in the last debate. He said that on day one of his administration, he would issue an executive order granting ObamaCare waivers to all 50 states. One can assume that to be a measure to stop that dead in its tracks until it can be legislatively eliminated.

He may or may not live up to that promise should he gain the Presidency. But he has said it, unequivocally. That would be a very, very hard cliff to climb down from should he decide to betray that promise.

ObamaCare is the holy grail of Socialism. If it stands, I believe it will ensure the fall of the constitution - not just by disregard, but by officially undoing it at some point. A promise to stop it dead in its tracks by a swift and decisive action is something to weigh.

So I think that words matter too. What a candidate says needs to be on the list of what I consider when assessing the candidate.
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Re: Romney flip-flopping on homosexual issues
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2011, 06:38:04 PM »

IIRC, all but Huntsman and maybe Johnson (he's so goofy) have said they would eliminate O'care.  Eliminating O'care comes down to do we think this particular person is capable and has the fortitude to get it done.  Romney is smart enough but the statement "He’s a handsome Bob Dole, who would equivocate or hedge on every challenge we face." sends chills up my spine. It's the truth.  I was "all in for Romney" last go round.  This go round I know him better.  It's a process of elimination and Romney and Santorum have big X's by their name.  Of course, in the general election it's ABO.