Topic: SCOTUS 2012: The Grand Finale

[IronDioPriest]

@ HotAir, via Erika Johnsen:

Paul Ryan:
[blockquote]“We have a law that we have one more chance to repeal, and that’s this November election,” Ryan continued. “That’s basically what the Supreme Court did; they raised the stakes of this election. We have one more chance – and that’s basically what they said. The people of this country are going to be the final arbiters of this.”[/blockquote]

For one reason or another, I’m sure many of us will be bristling with Chief Justice Robert’s mandate-permitting opinion on ObamaCare for some time to come, but everybody’s been discussing at least one key takeaway from his decision that I thought very profound:

Roberts:
[blockquote]Members of this Court are vested with the authority to interpret the law; we possess neither the expertise nor the prerogative to make policy judgments. Those decisions are entrusted to our Nation’s elected leaders, who can be thrown out of office if the people disagree with them. It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.[/blockquote]

At the end of the day, it is absolutely true that we did this to ourselves. As the years have worn on, we’ve consistently demonstrated a prevailing penchant for electing people into office who do little to safeguard our personal freedom and responsibility. Instead, we reward politicians for signing more ‘free’ stuff into law and sending home as much pork as possible. If we don’t stop living in our little bubbles of willful ignorance and summon the political will to reverse the bacchanalian frenzy of entitlement spending and big government, America’s best days really are behind us — and it’ll be nobody’s fault but our own.

"We did this to ourselves" is simplistic, but not inaccurate. The citizenry were supposed to be the final arbiters all along, and somehow, we were "Pied-Pipered" as a society into believing that our vote was our primary civic duty. It was never our primary duty, but the “long train of abuses and usurpations” were heretofore tolerable to an adequate degree to lull us to collective complacency and stay our wrath.

I think that is about to change. If people don't see now that voting is among the minimum of their civic duties, they never will.

[Weisshaupt]

Roberts:
[blockquote]Members of this Court are vested with the authority to interpret the law; we possess neither the expertise nor the prerogative to make policy judgments. Those decisions are entrusted to our Nation’s elected leaders, who can be thrown out of office if the people disagree with them. It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.[/blockquote]

That is BS. Its basically claiming we are a democracy - and that a majority has the right to enslave, tyrannize and persecute a minority if their elected representatives choose to do so. So if the majority want making theft from an minority a "policy" - its okay?  According to Roberts it is.   

If you believe, as Jefferson did, that this government was instituted to safeguard the inalienable rights of individuals, then you know this court and decision have nothing to do with consent, justice or even common sense.  May Roberts burn in hell for all eternity.

Maybe when the fascist libs  really get going I can get a job as a torturer. There is a line of work I think I would enjoy. Especially if fed a constant supply of rubes who voted for Obama.  After all, its these useful idiots who always find themselves on the chopping block next. Can't have them laying around and following some other cheating lying demagogue.


 

[Pandora]

It was never our primary duty, but the “long train of abuses and usurpations” were heretofore tolerable to an adequate degree to lull us to collective complacency and stay our wrath.

Okay, then.  What IS our primary duty?  I pay my taxes, obey the law, help others where I can, pray; what have I been neglecting?

IDP, I sense that you are trying desperately to come to grips with this last blow, to determine a course ahead that will allow at least a modicum of peace in your soul and heart, so please tell me what not laying down/not ceasing to fight but turning it over to God looks like in real terms?

Every time lately that it has appeared we may have triumphed in a small way on one issue or another, we're defeated in the least likely of ways from unsuspected sources; it's as though we just can't catch a break. 

[charlesoakwood]

I knew the Court wouldn't save us.  We have to save ourselves.

Or, trust our sovereign heavenly Father to do what He will do, and allow what He wall allow. He judges nations, after all.

I am getting weary enough of the fight that I'm feeling ready to turn it over completely to Him. Not meaning lay down and die, but meaning fight on, with no earthly chance of success - asking for the God-given courage of Gideon, and the complete trust of Joshua at Jericho  - relying not on my own power or skill, but His will alone.

I'm thinking we just cannot save this nation without God, and that it may even be His will that this nation should perish in its current form. There is, after all, supposed to be strife, persecution, and tribulation before the return of Jesus Christ. I think anyone who believes in Him better start thinking about how to be at peace with that, and preparing for however it might look.

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,2232.msg25118.html#msg25118

[IronDioPriest]

...Okay, then.  What IS our primary duty?  I pay my taxes, obey the law, help others where I can, pray; what have I been neglecting?

In hindsight, it looks like the main thing Americans failed to do that would have prevented this end was a widespread sustained and fully engaged generational citizen activism in the extreme. Think "Tea Party" activism, sustained from the time of our great-great grandparents carried through the generations in response to the over-reaction to the Civil War going forward. I think it's likely the only thing that could've prevented this outcome or something similar. Hindsight. Phhht.

The fact remains, year after year, cycle after cycle, the American people have gone to the polls and cast a vote for people who carried us further and further from the constitution. If prior generations only could have seen where that would ultimately bring us, and had a "Tea Party" of their own, and passed that kind of foundational zeal down through the generations...

IDP, I sense that you are trying desperately to come to grips with this last blow, to determine a course ahead that will allow at least a modicum of peace in your soul and heart, so please tell me what not laying down/not ceasing to fight but turning it over to God looks like in real terms?

You sense correctly, and I don't know. But Psalm 46 has been on my heart: "Be still, and know that I am God." In the end, that may be the most logical answer.

Can I trust in Him to tell me what to do, when to do it, when to fight, when to feint? That's difficult to do. But maybe that's what I need to do.

Every time lately that it has appeared we may have triumphed in a small way on one issue or another, we're defeated in the least likely of ways from unsuspected sources; it's as though we just can't catch a break.

Indeed. America's back is against the wall.

[LadyVirginia]

In hindsight, it looks like the main thing Americans failed to do that would have prevented this end was a widespread sustained and fully engaged generational citizen activism in the extreme. Think "Tea Party" activism,

I don't think there's was an instance in our history where that opportunity existed and was missed.  People forgot the Constitution.  They talked liberty and freedom but they were never close to the Constitution.  They have some vague idea that it exists but it's not relevant to them.

Can I trust in Him to tell me what to do, when to do it, when to fight, when to feint? That's difficult to do. But maybe that's what I need to do.

I think that's what we need to do.

[LadyVirginia]

"A Principled Prescription for America's Health: The Perspective of a Doctor-Turned-Lawmaker"

The suggestions of this Republican congressman made back in April doesn't inspire me.

[charlesoakwood]

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/06/29/obamacare-forces-ewtn-to-pay-fine-on-faith/


The leading Catholic media organization in the world, Eternal Word Television Network, is prepared to pay a “financial fine on faith” likely to exceed at least $600,000 per year rather than comply with Obamacare’s anti-conscience mandate.

EWTN is suing the federal government over the anti-conscience mandate, which requires religious institutions to provide “preventative” services — including abortion-inducing drugs, contraceptives and sterilization —  in its health plans, regardless of the institution’s moral or religious objections.

[LadyVirginia]

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/06/29/obamacare-forces-ewtn-to-pay-fine-on-faith/


The leading Catholic media organization in the world, Eternal Word Television Network, is prepared to pay a “financial fine on faith” likely to exceed at least $600,000 per year rather than comply with Obamacare’s anti-conscience mandate.

EWTN is suing the federal government over the anti-conscience mandate, which requires religious institutions to provide “preventative” services — including abortion-inducing drugs, contraceptives and sterilization —  in its health plans, regardless of the institution’s moral or religious objections.

I just made a donation to them.  I'm willing to financially support any organization willing to stand up against Obamacare.

[charlesoakwood]

Laura Ingraham's O'Reilly Factor Interview with Two Constitutional Scholars

http://minx.cc/?post=330610

[Pandora]

CO, to what website is that link?  I'm not clicking on anything anymore that I can't see.

[charlesoakwood]

AoSHQ

Thought it'd be recognizable.

[Pandora]

AoSHQ

Thought it'd be recognizable.

Not from the url, it isn't, and apparently "minx etc etc" IS Ace's usual permalink url.  I didn't know that; his "home" url is recognizable.

eta:  And that isn't correct either; the "minx" url is the comments url.

[charlesoakwood]

It is correct in that it is the AoSHQ article in it's entirety, including comments, that I directed to.

[Pandora]

It is correct in that it is the AoSHQ article in it's entirety, including comments, that I directed to.

Right, but it doesn't show up as "ace.mu.nu"; it shows up as "minx" and as I don't know "minx" I don't click.

Sorry for appearing to nitpick; I'm just trying to explain.

[Glock32]

EWTN doesn't need to pay any fine. They should keep on as they are and force the Regime to send their jackbooted thugs and physically remove them from their broadcast facilities. The same should go for every other Christian organization that refuses to pay for legalized murder. The sooner the ante is upped and the government forced to reveal just who they really are, the better. The worst thing any of us can do now is to let them get away with the narrative that there is voluntary compliance.

[charlesoakwood]

EWTN doesn't need to pay any fine. They should keep on as they are and force the Regime to send their jackbooted thugs and physically remove them from their broadcast facilities. The same should go for every other Christian organization that refuses to pay for legalized murder. The sooner the ante is upped and the government forced to reveal just who they really are, the better. The worst thing any of us can do now is to let them get away with the narrative that there is voluntary compliance.

 

[Weisshaupt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7pqRjHQ9BU&feature=player_embedded#!

[Pandora]

I was considering posting that at the local forum, but I realized none of the Lefties would watch because the female in it would look them like Sarah Palin.

[charlesoakwood]

Rush is reporting that this "disastrous" opinion was reported correctly in this
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3460_162-57464549/roberts-switched-views-to-uphold-health-care-law/ article, therefore, Roberts is effectively hostage to the media.  He changed his opinion because of media pressure and the dissent did not mention Roberts because they were so mad at him the left him out.