Topic: Occupy Pensacola: Alleged "Conservatives" Better Wake Up

[trapeze]

Karl seems to be seeing what he wants to see based on one non-typical demonstration in Pensacola. Karl needs to take a trip up the coast to liberal land and smell the hippies for himself.

[rickl]

You seem to be obsessed with hippies for some reason.  I'm not.

[charlesoakwood]

OWS hippies 'got da stank'.

[trapeze]

You seem to be obsessed with hippies for some reason.  I'm not.

Obsession? Hardly.

I have a problem with the socialist/Marxist/communist philosophy that most of them embrace.

Most hippies are of the opinion that they are entitled to the fruits of everyone else's labor as evidenced by the "pay my tuition" BS.

Their anger would be more appropriately directed at the high cost of a crappy socialist education. But then, if they had received an education that resulted in a worthwhile job then they would actually have to work for a living rather than sponging off of those who do.

I work. I pay taxes. A lot of taxes. I contribute to the economy. My business improves the lives of others.

They stink up the world and contribute nothing but a loud whining sound.

So, yeah, I resent hippies. Sue me.

[BMG]

For my part, I don't much care about how they look - what their religious beliefs are - what their sexual preferences are - or whether they smoke dope. All I care about is whether they're trying to destroy my country or not. From the vast majority of the video, still photos and first-hand media accounts, it certainly appears that they are indeed mostly interested in destroying the government and installing something related to a communist government.

One journalist can put forth a piece showing that what I've just detailed above is incorrect, and perhaps he is right about that one protest he attended. But to extrapolate that observation to encompass the entire movement seems premature at this point and my evidence for saying that is the mountain of contrary evidence (contrary to his view) that has been piling up since this thing started.

Now that doesn't mean that it can't change and go the way he has chronicled to be sure - maybe it will. And that's not to say that if I see evidence of it doing that in the majority of cases (unlike now) that I will not change my mind...I likely will warm up to it then. But for now, when faced with this vast mountain of contrary evidence I'm afraid I have to side with the point of view that this OWS crowd is not all rainbows and puppy dogs - in fact, it's far from that and exceptionally sinister.

[BMG]

And stuff like this is what is making me take the position that I am taking:

LINK to NAZIs and Communist Party support OWS

From the CPUSA (Communist Party of the USA) website:
This is an exciting time! Thousands of mainly young people have been occupying Wall Street for three weeks already, and the “Occupy Movement” has spread to more than 200 other cities. On Oct. 6 the actions spread to our nation’s capital.

And

The foremost authority on National Socialism in America has this to say about “Occupy” [ANP leader Rocky Suhayda -ed.] :
What is really MISSING – is the “MOVEMENT” from these popular protests – its time to pull WN heads out of their collective ass’s, and JOIN IN the attack on Judeo-Capitalism. What do you suggest? That WN Working Class White people DEFEND the Judeo-Capitalists? IF the “movement” wasn’t so PATHETIC it would be OUT THERE – LEADING these protests! The fact that its these “lefties” as you call them, who are picking up the ball and running with it – only shows how much more in tune THEY are with the fed up masses of White Workers, than the fossilized, reactionary “right-wing”. WHO holds the WEALTH and POWER in this country – the JUDEO-CAPITALISTS. WHO is therefore the #1 ENEMY who makes all this filth happen – the JUDEO-CAPITALISTS. WHO therefore do WN need to FIGHT? My heart is right there with these people, perhaps someday the “movement” will SHOW the same COURAGE and DEDICATION that these people OUT THERE FIGHTING are SHOWING!
Sincerely, ROCKY SUHAYDA Hail Victory! 88!

[rickl]

But that's irrelevant.  Nobody has any control over what someone else says.

I could say, "I'm a proud white man", and a Nazi could agree with me.  But that doesn't make me a Nazi.  Indeed, I'd be rather embarrassed to have a Nazi agreeing with me.  Still, I can't control what he says.

[trapeze]

But that's irrelevant.  Nobody has any control over what someone else says.

I could say, "I'm a proud white man", and a Nazi could agree with me.  But that doesn't make me a Nazi.  Indeed, I'd be rather embarrassed to have a Nazi agreeing with me.  Still, I can't control what he says.

And yet, if you aren't at a public gathering with a Nazi there's zero chance of that ever occurring. So, although you can't control what a Nazi says you can control whether or not you share a public venue with one.

[Alphabet Soup]

I will continue to suspend judgment on Karl but there is an unpleasant David Brooks aura to what I see and read from him.

My opinion of OWS is unchanged. What I see is sheer unmitigated hypocrisy coming from the left. Sure there are economic problems right now - that are largely the product of a unconstrained left. They created the climate and now they want to reshuffle the deck.

So, OK - dhimmicrats have always been hypocrites - so let's do the shuffle. Oh, by the way - how are ya gonna do it? Well, based on what I see, read, and hear, they are going to storm the ramparts and then.......?

They keep scream~n~shouting about throwing the "Wall-Streeters" (whatever the F that is) into jail. Actually, of late it has morphed into suggestions of beheadings. Aren't they forgetting a small step? Shouldn't they be charged with something first? And then tried? Using law? Due-process anyone?

At last check while there were ethical considerations, there aren't many laws against being prosperous. Or even greedy. So in the final analysis, what the OWS crowd advocates is civil unrest. The plain reading is that they haven't quite mustered the courage to enact what they really want - anarchy.

On the positive side, OWS is mutating. Karl's piece proves that (although I don't think that he realizes the conundrum). There are some elements who are attempting to co-opt the anarchistic side of it and emphasize the more TEA-Party-esque non-violent protest aspect. Bravo to them.

Personally I see this whole thing petering out. Whatever 'message' they have is so muddled and incoherent it's lost in the noise. Too many are egging on the extremists and opportunists to outdo one another and that will end badly.

Face it folks, there are only three solutions: the soapbox, the ballot box, and the ammo box. The TEA Party respects and accesses the first two while holding the third in reserve. The left manipulates the first two and constantly threatens the third. They only respect the process when it goes their way.

[BMG]

You are 100% correct rickl and if it were just the NAZIs and Communists saying that I wouldn't give any credence to their support. The trouble is the OWS crowd has documented speakers espousing the beliefs of the NAZIs and the Communists in front of the OWS protestors and they are getting robust applause after their speeches.

So at this point in time I have to stand firm in my perception that they are not simply guilty by association but in fact, guilty because they seem to subscribe to the dogma of those groups. Once they start actually doing something to show otherwise, I have to remain a skeptic with extreme prejudice I'm afraid.

Let me just say though, that I fervently hope that Mr. Denninger turns out to be correct in the long run. Because the alternative I'm afraid, is violence in the streets in the near future. Well, there has already been violence at these protests - let me clarify and say, 'bloody violence', instead. And though that would really make the democrat party look terrible and likely cause an awful lot of fence-sitters to vote against them in 2012 - it would not be good for the country or anyone involved in the end.