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Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
« Reply #60 on: November 18, 2011, 12:05:57 AM »

Collateral curiosity, Germany a while back suggested Greece sell
some of its islands to pay off their debt and ever since the Greeks
have been screaming the Germans want their islands.  Called
them the N word too.

Wonder what CC&G wants for collateral?


ETA: For a refreshing recapitulation

Farage: What gives you the right to dictate to the Italian people?

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Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
« Reply #61 on: November 18, 2011, 06:15:56 PM »
  This is getting even more interesting by the day. I sent this to my cousin in Italy asking what they though in Italy about the changes. When he answeres me.
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Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
« Reply #62 on: November 23, 2011, 03:31:03 PM »
http://www.cnbc.com/id/45418399

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/78994200-15c2-11e1-8db8-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1eZAsebsI

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The worst-received bond sale by Germany since the launch of the euro fuelled market fears that the continent’s debt crisis was now affecting Berlin, the region’s biggest economy and key to the survival of the single currency.

The bond auction only managed to raise two-thirds of the amount targeted. Investors and banks shunned the offering due to worries that Europe’s monetary union project could collapse because of deteriorating market sentiment and the vast size of the region’s public debt.
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Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
« Reply #63 on: November 23, 2011, 03:41:16 PM »
Truly amazing.  I am sitting here watching the world crash and burn because of these incumbent-minded, "I need to protect my job and bennies by any means", both in Europe and HERE.

And there's not a damn thing I can do about it.  It's .... infuriating.
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« Reply #64 on: November 23, 2011, 03:54:03 PM »
Truly amazing.  I am sitting here watching the world crash and burn because of these incumbent-minded, "I need to protect my job and bennies by any means", both in Europe and HERE.

And there's not a damn thing I can do about it.  It's .... infuriating.

Redirect your frustration into something productive, such as target practice. In fact, I propose a friendly forum competition. Given the long holiday weekend, we should see who can expend the most ammo in target practice / plinking. Honor system. Winner gets an official Participant trophy! /snerk
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Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
« Reply #65 on: November 23, 2011, 04:27:24 PM »
Not a bad idea, Glock.  I'll run it by Gunsmith and see what he thinks.
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Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
« Reply #66 on: November 23, 2011, 04:48:48 PM »
My range is closed for turkey day. ::rockets::
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Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
« Reply #67 on: November 23, 2011, 04:52:10 PM »
My range is closed for turkey day. ::rockets::

There's always Friday, Saturday and Sunday, no?
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Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
« Reply #68 on: November 23, 2011, 05:53:30 PM »


At my house there is a line of sight from the LR to the kitchen.
Set a trap in the kitchen and ...

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Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
« Reply #69 on: November 23, 2011, 05:57:28 PM »
My range is closed for turkey day. ::rockets::

There's always Friday, Saturday and Sunday, no?

 I'm working fri. and sat.Sunday is catch up day around the house.
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Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
« Reply #70 on: November 23, 2011, 06:06:12 PM »

Be good when get that personal laptop at work.


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Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
« Reply #71 on: November 23, 2011, 07:04:30 PM »

Be good when get that personal laptop at work.



 I have one thanks to Soup. It's just that people in this joint share offices and it's kind of tricky in an open showroom. But to be honest I'm not even sure I'm staying there and am looking around for something I would like better.
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Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
« Reply #72 on: November 24, 2011, 10:48:45 AM »
I'll have to see about that challenge, I got a hankering to perforate a target!   ::thumbsup::
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Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
« Reply #73 on: November 24, 2011, 11:06:33 AM »
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/eu-launches-bid-rewrite-eurozone-budgets-032511566.html

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The European Union demanded Wednesday sweeping powers to override national budgets and proposed issuing joint eurozone bonds to help resolve and prevent a repeat of the debt crisis.

"Without stronger governance, it will be difficult if not impossible to sustain the common currency," EU Commission chief Jose Manuel Barroso said of his latest legislative proposals.

The head of the executive EU arm, Barroso presented radical plans that would allow him and Economy Commissioner Olli Rehn to decide to intervene in national policymaking.

Each said such new powers were a pre-condition for pooling eurozone government bonds, presented as a future safeguard.
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Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
« Reply #74 on: November 24, 2011, 11:08:46 AM »
Yup, more power, what could go wrong?

/sarc
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Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
« Reply #75 on: November 24, 2011, 08:52:42 PM »
A Spaniard, an Italian and a Greek go into a bar.

They drink until dawn.

Who pays the tab?

A German.
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Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
« Reply #76 on: November 25, 2011, 07:37:31 AM »
My range is closed for turkey day. ::rockets::

A friend of mine has a cardboard box about 18-24" square that he sets up in his house for BB gun target practice. It's easily stored and can be used at any time in any weather. It doesn't take the place of live ammo, but it does help with the "sight alignment/ trigger control" practice.
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Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
« Reply #77 on: November 25, 2011, 09:22:25 AM »
Yahoo Link is just to darned long to cut & paste!

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BUDAPEST (Reuters) - Credit rating agency Moody's cut Hungary's debt to "junk" grade late on Thursday, dealing a blow to Prime Minister Viktor Orban's unorthodox economic policies and prompting his government to denounce the move as a "financial attack."

Moody's lowered Hungary's sovereign rating by one notch to Ba1, just below investment grade, with a negative outlook, hours after rival Standard & Poor's held fire on a flagged downgrade after Budapest said it would seek international aid.

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Economists said the gloomy economic outlook could combine with the downgrade and increase pressure on Budapest to accept an IMF deal with the monitoring and policy recommendations Orban has spurned.

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"As the economy will tumble into recession by around the turn of the year, we expect that it will have no other choice than to accept any IMF proposal, even if this would include conditionalities," said Michal Dybula at BNP Paribas.

So in short what the IMF is saying here is essentially this: "Hey Hungary, that's a mighty fine economy you have there. Sure would be a shame if anything happened to it."
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Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
« Reply #78 on: November 25, 2011, 09:52:59 AM »
IMF must be run by former Soviets eh?!
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« Reply #79 on: November 26, 2011, 11:01:32 AM »
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8917161/OECD-figures-suggest-Britains-economy-will-slip-back-into-recession-at-the-start-of-next-year.html

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The Organisation for Economic Development and Cooperation (OECD) is predicting that the economy will shrink, the Government was warned on Thursday.

Whitehall sources said the forecasts suggest that growth would be negative during the first six months of next year due to the euro crisis.

The prediction, to be published on Monday, is the first from a respected forecaster to indicate that Britain faces a double-dip recession.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.” 
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