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I'm sick to my stomach.
« on: October 19, 2011, 06:22:04 PM »
  My daughter called and it seems that my grandson my be autistic. My heart is broken for what it might mean to the baby and to my daughter and SIL.I don't know what to do or where to start.
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Re: I'm sick to my stomach.
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2011, 06:47:11 PM »
  My daughter called and it seems that my grandson my be autistic. My heart is broken for what it might mean to the baby and to my daughter and SIL.I don't know what to do or where to start.

First thing John (aside from prayer if you're so inclined) - don't panic. Autism isn't defined how it used to be when we were young. You think of a kid who doesn't speak or interact rocking back and forth in the fetal position - but that's not how they define autism these days. It can take many different shapes and forms, and often times when it's suspected, it is misdiagnosed.

I'll share. My youngest boy used to have some issues. He would rock, and did what they called "self-stimulation" by rocking the back of his head repeatedly against chair backs. He hated being held - we'd pick him up, and he would squirm, trying to get away. The moment you lifted him off the ground, he would gasp and tense up, as if he just went over the top of a roller coaster. Try holding him up over your head, or upside-down, or do any of the play things you assume kids love, and he would freak out. He stood and walked very late, and as his third year became his fourth, it was apparent that he was not speaking. Autism was suggested as a possibility.

We took him to specialists, and therapy was recommended. We took him to what they called "occupational therapists" in a special ed preschool. Literally, he was in there with kids suffering from everything from severe autism, to cerebral palsy, and severe mental retardation. It was scary as hell to see our little boy who we knew wasn't THAT bad, being tutored by these therapists.

They came up with a different diagnosis than the specialists. Not autism. He was experiencing what they called "vestibular motion disorder". For some reason, his little body did not develop the ability to understand its relationship to its environment. If he lost contact with whatever surface he was on, or was lifted in the air, he became completely disoriented. The rocking and banging his head was an effort to create consistency in his sensation. His disorientation stunted his emotional and relational growth, and the distraction of being distressed all the time stunted his ability to communicate.

With the help of these wonderful therapists and intense work on our part, we were able to "undo" this by the time he attended kindergarten at 6 (both our boys were August preemies, so kindergarten at 6 was always the plan anyway). Within that 2+ years, we watched him blossom.

Today at 16 he is as right as can be - no issues whatsoever. An "A" student, strong kid, coordinated - he's downstairs playing the drums right now. He still doesn't like roller coasters - but big deal.

My point is not to say that your grandson probably doesn't have autism - he may. But do not assume the worst. he may not have the condition, and if he does, there are many people who function at a very high level to the point that you wouldn't know they have it....

....Here's the part of the story some here might not like to hear: we tried going the private medical-system physical therapy route with our boy, but they failed him. It was obvious in the first couple months that they were not helping him. Where we found our angels was in the public school system special education division. They were the ones with the patience, experience, and motivation to get his diagnosis right, and implement the proper treatment. I watched them work, and I will always believe they saved my boy's future.

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Re: I'm sick to my stomach.
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2011, 06:58:30 PM »

Glad for your boy, IDP. 
And yes, autism is the new fad.
It's the easy out diagnosis.
You know we'll put a word in.
Work it and let us know.


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« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2011, 07:07:06 PM »
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Wait.  The operative word is "may".
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« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2011, 08:41:20 PM »
The thing that bothers me is that the only big tip off was that he stopped talking and didn't use the word he had learned like momma and daddy the only word he did keep was no.He's not moody at all he's a happy baby and loved to rough house with his father and all that but the so called specialist seems to think that his communication skills are what leads them to have a problem but at the same time he may not say much of anything he does throw a fit if he's hungry at home and at daycare he'll go to his highchair and wait when he's hungry.

 To me he's communicating in his own way. I just don't trust anybody to be the sole judge on this one and you can bet that he'll be seen by other specialists asap.
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« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2011, 08:42:44 PM »
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Wait.  The operative word is "may".

 I know I know but I'm freaked out and out og control and I'm a control freak and I can't control anything I have to sit and wait for wharever they say.
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« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2011, 08:43:40 PM »
The thing that bothers me is that the only big tip off was that he stopped talking and didn't use the word he had learned like momma and daddy the only word he did keep was no.He's not moody at all he's a happy baby and loved to rough house with his father and all that but the so called specialist seems to think that his communication skills are what leads them to have a problem but at the same time he may not say much of anything he does throw a fit if he's hungry at home and at daycare he'll go to his highchair and wait when he's hungry.

 To me he's communicating in his own way. I just don't trust anybody to be the sole judge on this one and you can bet that he'll be seen by other specialists asap.

Maybe he stopped talking because instead of being with Momma, he's stuck in daycare.
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« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2011, 09:13:32 PM »
The thing that bothers me is that the only big tip off was that he stopped talking and didn't use the word he had learned like momma and daddy the only word he did keep was no.He's not moody at all he's a happy baby and loved to rough house with his father and all that but the so called specialist seems to think that his communication skills are what leads them to have a problem but at the same time he may not say much of anything he does throw a fit if he's hungry at home and at daycare he'll go to his highchair and wait when he's hungry.

 To me he's communicating in his own way. I just don't trust anybody to be the sole judge on this one and you can bet that he'll be seen by other specialists asap.

Maybe he stopped talking because instead of being with Momma, he's stuck in daycare.


  Pan he does come home. He's in a new day care that has a curriculum that includes teaching.
 
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« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2011, 09:41:28 PM »
IDP I can't tell you how glad I amt to hear how well your boy is doing,there's nothing worse for a parent to know that one of their kids is ill. All we can do at this point is pray that it all works out.I'll keep you all posted as we hear any news. Thanks to all.
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« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2011, 10:10:17 PM »
When my son was around 2yrs old he was diagnosed with Autism to - because he liked to hold a straight object (like a pencil) between his thumb and forefinger and wiggle the object back and forth - like a 'social tic' or a habit. He was also diagnosed with ADHD. He is now 13 and has never had any troubles and has never been on any medication for these supposed problems. In short, I believe the doctors doing the diagnoses' were simply putting something out there because they didn't know what was wrong - and it turned out nothing was.

I believe IDPriest's story and mine illustrate that sometimes these things require second and third opinions, etc. Just because a doctor says something is so, doesn't mean it actually is. They are human after all and can make mistakes like the rest of us.

I certainly hope for the best in your case! Please keep us updated.
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« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2011, 11:09:47 PM »
....Here's the part of the story some here might not like to hear: we tried going the private medical-system physical therapy route with our boy, but they failed him. It was obvious in the first couple months that they were not helping him. Where we found our angels was in the public school system special education division. They were the ones with the patience, experience, and motivation to get his diagnosis right, and implement the proper treatment. I watched them work, and I will always believe they saved my boy's future.

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As hard as I am on the public school system that you found this to be true I don't doubt.  I have two friends who went back to school so they could work in the special ed classrooms.  Oh my gosh, they are incredible.

My youngest was a preemie and I discovered that there were several times  if not for our questions the med staff would have continued on with their protocols with out really looking at our daughter and getting to know her and what she needed or didn't need.

John all I can say is I will ::praying:: and make sure you read everything as I'm sure you will.  And question.  I once had a doc criticize me and I said I'm her mother and I go home to her at night and you don't.  If you can't accept my expectations then tell me and I'll find another doc.  He backed down.

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« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2011, 02:36:24 AM »
The thing that bothers me is that the only big tip off was that he stopped talking and didn't use the word he had learned like momma and daddy the only word he did keep was no.He's not moody at all he's a happy baby and loved to rough house with his father and all that but the so called specialist seems to think that his communication skills are what leads them to have a problem but at the same time he may not say much of anything he does throw a fit if he's hungry at home and at daycare he'll go to his highchair and wait when he's hungry.

 To me he's communicating in his own way. I just don't trust anybody to be the sole judge on this one and you can bet that he'll be seen by other specialists asap.

Maybe he stopped talking because instead of being with Momma, he's stuck in daycare.


  Pan he does come home. He's in a new day care that has a curriculum that includes teaching.
 

I know, John; sorry.
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« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2011, 03:06:04 AM »
I'll share. My youngest boy used to have some issues. He would rock, and did what they called "self-stimulation" by rocking the back of his head repeatedly against chair backs. He hated being held - we'd pick him up, and he would squirm, trying to get away. The moment you lifted him off the ground, he would gasp and tense up, as if he just went over the top of a roller coaster. Try holding him up over your head, or upside-down, or do any of the play things you assume kids love, and he would freak out. He stood and walked very late, and as his third year became his fourth, it was apparent that he was not speaking. Autism was suggested as a possibility.

A little boy we were going to adopt (and his sister.. only the boy had this issue) was just like that.  The poor little boy had so many issues it was heart breaking.  Medical and mental.  A drug addict prostitute mother I guess explains it.. but it became more than we could handle.  Even with support we were in way over our head too fast.  Even the 'expert' foster family (that had fostered 20+ kids over 15 years and thought they could handle anything )that wanted to adopt them ended up backing out.  Autsim was a tiny part of a massive multi-issue thing...

But I remember the stiffening/tensing up when touched our held and just freaking out.. it was heart breaking.

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« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2011, 05:54:52 AM »
Our middle son is severely dyslexic and mildly autistic. He's very routine oriented. But he's far from stupid. His learning disability has ruled out a HS diploma, but he seems to be doing well in the GED program. He wants to be a CAD draftsman and seems to be on the right track for it.

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« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2011, 07:28:44 AM »
I'll echo what others have said, this is a preliminary/default diagnosis, much more testing and review will occur.  My sisters middle and last child showed autistic characteristics when very young, I can't pronounce let alone spell what each have now, but the middle child is OK, he is a bit physically smaller than his peers but is fully functional and able to go to school, play sports and conduct a normal life.  The youngest has severe issues and has a condition so rare a doctor out east devoted a study on him.  While the youngest requires a structured environment and supervision he is functional in many things and understands words and has a fairly extensive vocabulary and lives at home.  So please know that it is too early in your grandson's case to jump to any conclusions and even the worst case scenario is manageable.  Be supportive, pray and hope for the best.  I helped out my sister by driving the other two to sporting events (practice/games), taking them to dinner and such.  When I was consulting I even made time during the day to drive the little guy to therapy sessions.  Every little bit helps, and even if far away being there to have someone to talk to and helping out when visiting will go a long way.  Just knowing others are there for you makes a huge difference.  Please let us know of developments, we're here to help you out buddy!

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« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2011, 07:33:36 AM »
..But I remember the stiffening/tensing up when touched our held and just freaking out.. it was heart breaking.

Yeah, and as a parent (mom especially, but me too) it kind of breaks your heart, because you want that interaction - that normal sign from your baby that when you offer love and comfort, it is received - that sense of bonding. We had very little of that, particularly in years 2 & 3.

We'll never know the cause of our boy's early troubles. Mom was healthy, and he spent a very limited amount of time in day care. It was just a developmental thing, and thank God, we got a proper diagnosis and a team of professionals that knew what to do. I don't know how things would have turned out without those 2+ years of five-day-a-week sessions at the special ed preschool, but we sure are thankful.

Another great thing we are thankful for is that it was all diagnosed and corrected before his memory of it took hold. He doesn't remember a time when he was any different from anybody else. We talk with him about the issues he had, but he has no recollection of any of it, so we've never needed to dwell on the special ed preschool part of it. He's just a happy, smart, well-adjusted kid, and to him, he's always been that way. Great blessing.

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« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2011, 08:22:44 AM »
The thing that bothers me is that the only big tip off was that he stopped talking and didn't use the word he had learned like momma and daddy the only word he did keep was no.He's not moody at all he's a happy baby and loved to rough house with his father and all that but the so called specialist seems to think that his communication skills are what leads them to have a problem but at the same time he may not say much of anything he does throw a fit if he's hungry at home and at daycare he'll go to his highchair and wait when he's hungry.

 To me he's communicating in his own way. I just don't trust anybody to be the sole judge on this one and you can bet that he'll be seen by other specialists asap.

Maybe he stopped talking because instead of being with Momma, he's stuck in daycare.


  Pan he does come home. He's in a new day care that has a curriculum that includes teaching.
 

I know, John; sorry.


 Don't be sorry I know you were just trying to make me feel better and I'm greatful to all you guys for that.Today is a new day and we'll wait for answers and make a plan to move forward and get this fixed once and for all. I trust in God to help us do the right thing. That doesn't mean that prayer is the only thing on the list it's just one of them. I thank God my duaghter is the scrapper that she is and that she won't leave one pebble unturned to get this right in the end.


 Were a family that doesn't lay down and give in to anything that gets thrown at us and so is the other side of the family(inlaws).The way I see it is that he's a perfect little guy and will always be.
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« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2011, 09:14:18 AM »
...I thank God my duaghter is the scrapper that she is and that she won't leave one pebble unturned to get this right in the end...

That's the key right there. A parent is a child's first and last advocate. You push and push and push for answers and help. If we'd have stopped with the therapists the doctors recommended and assumed that was as good as it gets, who knows where we'd be now. The moment we saw that it was not productive, we yanked him and sought a new answer, and were blessed to land on it.
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« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2011, 10:54:16 AM »
When we were set to adopt our daughter it was revealed to us at the last moment that she had a sibling who was autistic. We had been caring for a severely autistic child on an occasional basis (to give the parents a break) and this news was very troubling. We actually took an extra 24 hours to "take delivery" of our daughter to pray about the situation but ultimately we did adopt her, reasoning that God had brought her into our lives for a reason. (We only learned much later that the birth mother had smoked and drank all through the pregnancy.)

The next three years were very difficult for us. We discovered that our daughter was somewhat unusual. She would not sleep during the day (no break for us) but she would inexplicably sleep through the entire night, every night, without waking. When she was awake, though, she was extremely busy. She would not allow herself to be confined to a crib, going as far as climbing out of it before she had even learned to walk. She learned how to walk very early, going from sitting up to crawling to walking within a month. And then from walking to running within another week.

Although she did sleep through the night it was extremely difficult to get her to actually achieve unconsciousness. I would have to hold her in my arms in her bed for an extended period of time, anywhere between thirty to ninety minutes, before she would go to sleep. We tried to let her go to sleep on her own and she would be up until two or three in the morning and then as soon as the sun came up she was awake again.

She was unable to focus on anything during her waking hours. She did not like to be held at all (you can imagine how difficult it was to get her to go to sleep when the only way it would happen is if I physically restrained her, wrapping her in my arms in her bed until she eventually wore out and shut down). She could not sit and listen as a book was read to her. She could not sit at the dinner table and eat. She couldn't watch a television program for more than a few minutes. She was constantly getting into trouble, making one godawful mess after another...the destruction to her room and the house was incredible. Punishment was totally useless and after a while seemed cruel since she seemed to have no concept of what it was she was supposed to do. This went on until she was three.

We didn't think that she was autistic but there was definitely something wrong.

At age three, at the urging of our family doctor, we took her to a specialist...a child psychiatrist. He watched her bounce around his office uncontrollably for about a half hour while he asked us questions about her behavior. He then told us that she was the youngest person he had ever seen with severe hyperactivity.

I had, until this child entered my life, never believed in ADD or its various forms. I always thought that it was pure BS and I still believe that it is grossly over diagnosed for most children. Nevertheless, the change in our daughter when she was on the medication was dramatic. She went from totally out of control to normal immediately. The medication did not make her dopey or anything like that. It made her normal. When she was old enough to understand our questions we asked her what it was like when she was un-medicated and she said that it was like a thousand voices screaming in her head. She is twelve now and still on the medication. Every once in a while we give her a break from it and the difference is obvious. Her doctor says that she may, through force of will, someday be able to go without it. But perhaps not.

To get her to sleep the answer was to simply give her a Benadryl tablet at dinner time. That, too, was amazing. It worked instantly and there are no side effects at all. Benadryl will knock me out completely but for her it allowed her to go to sleep at bedtime like a normal person.

At any rate, my advice would be to give the situation time. It may be difficult for the parents in the near term but it may, as in our situation, work out over time. We were fortunate that our daughter's situation did not, in fact, turn out to be autism and that it was highly treatable. She has learning disabilities which are at odds with her very high level of intelligence. My guess is that these stem from her prenatal treatment. On the other hand she is extremely kind and loving. So she sucks at schoolwork. We have home schooled her and had her in public school and it seems to make no difference. I am thinking that we will probably move her back to a home school environment at the conclusion of this school year.

As has been mentioned above by others, there are different degrees of autism. I recently came across an extremely good movie (and I don't say this lightly) about an autistic woman. The movie is called Temple Grandin and it is highly recommended to anyone because it shows that autism may not necessarily be as bad as you think it might be. Temple's story is incredible, unbelievable even, and offers tremendous hope to the families of autistic children. Seriously, this film has a 100% at Rotten Tomatoes and that's unusual (imdb entry found here.). You can read the wikipedia entry about her here. Dr. Grandin (yeah, she earned a PhD) is currently a professor at Colorado State University.

So...just remember that you never know how things are going to work out. Be hopeful.
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« Reply #19 on: October 20, 2011, 11:13:51 AM »
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I had, until this child entered my life, never believed in ADD or its various forms. I always thought that it was pure BS and I still believe that it is grossly over diagnosed for most children. Nevertheless, the change in our daughter when she was on the medication was dramatic. She went from totally out of control to normal immediately. The medication did not make her dopey or anything like that. It made her normal. When she was old enough to understand our questions we asked her what it was like when she was un-medicated and she said that it was like a thousand voices screaming in her head. She is twelve now and still on the medication. Every once in a while we give her a break from it and the difference is obvious. Her doctor says that she may, through force of will, someday be able to go without it. But perhaps not.

To get her to sleep the answer was to simply give her a Benadryl tablet at dinner time. That, too, was amazing. It worked instantly and there are no side effects at all. Benadryl will knock me out completely but for her it allowed her to go to sleep at bedtime like a normal person.

That's what good medical care is supposed to do. Use treatment for specific and observable results. Not hand out pills without regard to other less intense options. 




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