Topic: Ugh. Now Cain blows an easy abortion question.

[charlesoakwood]

Yes, I'd rather another 4 yrs  of soerto...

Dan, say it ain't so.

[John Florida]

Yes, I'd rather another 4 yrs  of soerto...

Dan, say it ain't so.

 I think he's just speaking out of anger and disappointment.He doesn't mean it.When the time comes he'll do the right thing.

[Dan]

LOL!
Not 'cuz it's my preference as I'm sure you know, it's just that when it crashes, I think I'd prefer it ot be on his watch. I mean, can you imagine the rhetoric comin' from the libiots about how a R f**ked it up? How conservatism, liberty and capitalism failed? The OWS crowd will go ape-sh*t and a RINO will cave.

[trapeze]

I have to disagree, Dan. I firmly believe that Toonces represents an existential threat to our country and to our liberty.

He needs to be soundly defeated. Why? Because he has already successfully nominated two members to the Supreme Court. He must not have a chance to nominate any more. That reason alone is enough to vote for a a moldy potato (but preferably the Republican nominee) instead of him.

None of the above is not an option. There is simply too much at stake.

[BMG]

Yeah, I'm sitting pretty firmly in the camp that says, 'I'll vote for ANY Republican candidate that gets the nod.'. Obumbles needs to be taken out to the woodshed...and yeah, even if that idiot Romney gets the nod I'll have to hold my nose and vote for that SOB.

[Dan]

I can't agree more with your take on soerto.
But given teh current state of things, and teh track record of politicians, any of 'em, can you honestly expect a difference?
You saw what mitt did here in MA.
You've seen R's left and right who think taking the high-road is effective leadership when it's nothing more than appeasement in order to avoid being called a bad name or causing a civil disturbance.
There is not a single R in the field who can make a difference simply because there aren't enough people like us who really get it.

[LadyVirginia]

He needs to be soundly defeated. Why? Because he has already successfully nominated two members to the Supreme Court. He must not have a chance to nominate any more. That reason alone is enough to vote for a a moldy potato (but preferably the Republican nominee) instead of him.

I haven't heard much of this as an issue like it has been in other elections.  Perhaps it's too early for that.  But it's not something to forget regardless of the econmy and anyone's plan.

[trapeze]

I can't agree more with your take on soerto.
But given teh current state of things, and teh track record of politicians, any of 'em, can you honestly expect a difference?
You saw what mitt did here in MA.
You've seen R's left and right who think taking the high-road is effective leadership when it's nothing more than appeasement in order to avoid being called a bad name or causing a civil disturbance.
There is not a single R in the field who can make a difference simply because there aren't enough people like us who really get it.

The president is important because of the SCOTUS nominations which will happen. The other important thing is to improve on the 2010 head count in congress. A more conservative congress will blunt the effect of a RINO president and buy time until a better one can be installed. The House is okay except for the leadership. The Senate has to turn first and then the leadership will have to be dealt with. One step at a time. First step: Send Sir Golfsalot into retirement.

[Glock32]

I can't agree more with your take on soerto.
But given teh current state of things, and teh track record of politicians, any of 'em, can you honestly expect a difference?
You saw what mitt did here in MA.
You've seen R's left and right who think taking the high-road is effective leadership when it's nothing more than appeasement in order to avoid being called a bad name or causing a civil disturbance.
There is not a single R in the field who can make a difference simply because there aren't enough people like us who really get it.

I definitely get where you're coming from, and I am given to making similar proclamations at times. And for the record, I still do not believe what happens politically is going to matter much in the grand scheme of things, and that dramatic civilization-altering events do lie in store for us.

However, I have to remind myself of one thing, and that is so long as we have the luxury of being able to try to change things through an established process, we should. Too much blood has been spilled, too many lives forfeit right as they had just barely begun, to purchase this luxury for us.

[charlesoakwood]

Yeah, I'm sitting pretty firmly in the camp that says, 'I'll vote for ANY Republican candidate that gets the nod.'. Obumbles needs to be taken out to the woodshed...and yeah, even if that idiot Romney gets the nod I'll have to hold my nose and vote for that SOB.

CNN - Former New Hampshire Gov. John H. Sununu will endorse Mitt Romney on Monday, ...
...
His endorsement is highly prized and provides another sign the GOP establishment is backing Romney, ...
...

What?

Keep cutting for sign boys you'll find it pretty soon.

[John Florida]

Yeah, I'm sitting pretty firmly in the camp that says, 'I'll vote for ANY Republican candidate that gets the nod.'. Obumbles needs to be taken out to the woodshed...and yeah, even if that idiot Romney gets the nod I'll have to hold my nose and vote for that SOB.

CNN - Former New Hampshire Gov. John H. Sununu will endorse Mitt Romney on Monday, ...
...
His endorsement is highly prized and provides another sign the GOP establishment is backing Romney, ...
...

What?

Keep cutting for sign boys you'll find it pretty soon.

 Who gives a crap who Sununu endorses?? It's not like the world has been waiting with bated breath for him to speak,frankly I'm waiting to see who E.F.Hutton endorses.For cripes sake.

[Libertas]

Sununu = Ruling Class, fine with me, Mittens can have that endorsement and all it brings with it.

 

[LadyVirginia]

 Who gives a crap who Sununu endorses?? It's not like the world has been waiting with bated breath for him to speak,frankly I'm waiting to see who E.F.Hutton endorses.For cripes sake.

 

The RINOs think it matters!!!

[Libertas]

I can't agree more with your take on soerto.
But given teh current state of things, and teh track record of politicians, any of 'em, can you honestly expect a difference?
You saw what mitt did here in MA.
You've seen R's left and right who think taking the high-road is effective leadership when it's nothing more than appeasement in order to avoid being called a bad name or causing a civil disturbance.
There is not a single R in the field who can make a difference simply because there aren't enough people like us who really get it.

The president is important because of the SCOTUS nominations which will happen. The other important thing is to improve on the 2010 head count in congress. A more conservative congress will blunt the effect of a RINO president and buy time until a better one can be installed. The House is okay except for the leadership. The Senate has to turn first and then the leadership will have to be dealt with. One step at a time. First step: Send Sir Golfsalot into retirement.

Too many if's and but's lead me to the inescapable conclusion that we do not have much time to tinker around and go for incremental actions.  The Obamanoids advanced the ball nearly to the goal line, if we get the ball on our own 1 yard line and are lucky to advance to our 10 and punt to mid-field we are expected to cheer wildly?  I know I am barking into the wind, expecting grand things from inferior beings, but I may have more issues with our side than the opposition, so in that respect I sympathize with Dan.  I am not interested in compromising my principles one second longer, I am not blindingly going for ABO dogma, the compromise is going to have to come from the Ruling Class, the RINO's, the mushy moderates...making the assumption I will go for ABO dogma sounds good, but does anyone think the right people will be blamed if Obama gets reelected?  I don't.  They'll whip out the MFM/Democrat/Ruling Class talking points and blame right-wingers, misguided Tea Party extremists, blah blah blah.  Go ahead, blame them, blame me, it won't alter reality for any of you one iota!  Take me for granted at your own peril.  No vote for any Ruling Class clown, never again!  Now, how are people going to deal with people like me?  Good luck with that last part...

[AlanS]

Speaking of endorsements, where's Palin?

[charlesoakwood]

She's a player, her endorsement will come when it's most affective.

[michelleo]

Cain's numbers are good, even with his recent missteps.  Michael Barone chalks it up to a "revolt against the experts."  I probably fall into this camp. 

[Pandora]

Fran Porretto parses the "abortion question" ala Cain.  See what y'all think.

But there are questions apart from the right to life of the unborn baby. The most important of those questions is this: If abortion were made illegal at all stages of pregnancy, what would Americans have to allow their governments to do to enforce the laws against it?

Give that question a few moments' thought. J. Neil Schulman did, and arrived at a bleak assessment: A government powerful enough to forbid abortions is powerful enough to force abortions, and probably will when it suits that government to do so.

[IronDioPriest]

So... don't seek to outlaw abortion, because if you give the government that kind of power, it may turn around and use it to force abortion?

Schulman is missing the fact that we already have a government that is encouraging abortion - paying for it, and holding it as sacrosanct - and which could at any moment cross that line from encouragement to coercion or force, even absent the prior "power to forbid". It will not take a law or amendment against abortion to create the government power to force abortion. This government has already demonstrated that it will take what power it pleases without the consent of the governed. So I disagree with this position that would abandon the fight before it is begun out of fear of unintended consequences. That is a weak argument, in my opinion.

Anyway, we need to stop taking on the language of the Left by talking about abortion on their terms, and start talking about life. It's not about a woman's "right" to abort, nor whether that should or shouldn't be, it's about every human being's most basic right - the right to live. Why cede that the question is whether a woman has a right to kill her baby? The question is whether every human being has the basic right to live. If we do not have that right, then we have no others.

[Libertas]

The argument is weak for one obvious reason also, as IDP somewhat danced around with his comment - was not the fact that the court in inventing a right to abortion out of whole cloth without any clear constitutional anchor the very "dubious proposition" alluded to in Mr. Schulman's argument?  This is not chicken/egg argument, the invented right came first!  If returned to the pre-Roe status quo, the issue would be placed into the proper realm of legislative act at the state level as determined by the will of the people in those states!

Common sense was tossed into the gutter with Roe and we are left fearing a return from the dubious?!