Topic: Don't Be Surprised if Obama Wins in 2012

[Libertas]

Worse than hot air...more like farting into a balloon!

And with the referendum Greece wants to have the whole deal in Europe can blow up, if that happens watch the fireworks!

[Weisshaupt]

In a way I think this has been best.  O'Bummer has awaken millions of sleeping/lazy people in this Country.  Imagine what another 4 years of O'Bummer would do?  We'd be having a Constitutional Convention again and wiping the slate clean for a reboot.

Lose the battle.  Win the War.   Or more accurately: never interrupt the enemy when they are engaged in suicide.

Elections are not a battle we can win under current circumstances anyway.  We have limited time left economically,  and the powers that be prevent a decent candidate from entering  the race, the "somnambulant public" is  still 90% led by the puppet theater and votes the way the puppets tell them,  and most were never taught  critical thinking skills and won't survive without government help during the "new, painful era of self-reliance" Obama is warning us about.
 

Leftists will not reason, and thus  they will not stop, until reality itself stops them. Even if we were able to get a Ronald Reagan to fix it, they would be there, lessons unlearned and resentful that the problems they were counting on  were resolved.  Other than going into the street and engaging in the wholesale slaughter of their kind, the only way to beat them is to let reality do it for us. And that means  letting it get bad. Really, really bad.  So bad that every leftist has felt the jackboot of government on their neck and the ache of hunger in their belly. They will riot and destroy when they discover their  kindergarten sense of entitlement is not going to be satisfied. They will turn on and kill each other as you see OWS already doing.  We just need to stay out of the way, defend our own and turn a blind eye when leftists come begging when Obama and their Chump parent idea of government is plainly discredited and they ask for help.  We will not hire them. We will not feed them.  The Locusts have come at us by the millions, and the only thing that will rid us of them is a very  long, very  hard winter. .

I don't think a new American awakening is guaranteed under such circumstances,  but I do believe it gives us a better chance that what we have now, and all we have to do is prepare for winter, which is what we do naturally anyway.




 

[Delnorin]

In a way I think this has been best.  O'Bummer has awaken millions of sleeping/lazy people in this Country.  Imagine what another 4 years of O'Bummer would do?  We'd be having a Constitutional Convention again and wiping the slate clean for a reboot.

Lose the battle.  Win the War.   Or more accurately: never interrupt the enemy when they are engaged in suicide.

Elections are not a battle we can win under current circumstances anyway.  We have limited time left economically,  and the powers that be prevent a decent candidate from entering  the race, the "somnambulant public" is  still 90% led by the puppet theater and votes the way the puppets tell them,  and most were never taught  critical thinking skills and won't survive without government help during the "new, painful era of self-reliance" Obama is warning us about.
 

Leftists will not reason, and thus  they will not stop, until reality itself stops them. Even if we were able to get a Ronald Reagan to fix it, they would be there, lessons unlearned and resentful that the problems they were counting on  were resolved.  Other than going into the street and engaging in the wholesale slaughter of their kind, the only way to beat them is to let reality do it for us. And that means  letting it get bad. Really, really bad.  So bad that every leftist has felt the jackboot of government on their neck and the ache of hunger in their belly. They will riot and destroy when they discover their  kindergarten sense of entitlement is not going to be satisfied. They will turn on and kill each other as you see OWS already doing.  We just need to stay out of the way, defend our own and turn a blind eye when leftists come begging when Obama and their Chump parent idea of government is plainly discredited and they ask for help.  We will not hire them. We will not feed them.  The Locusts have come at us by the millions, and the only thing that will rid us of them is a very  long, very  hard winter. .

I don't think a new American awakening is guaranteed under such circumstances,  but I do believe it gives us a better chance that what we have now, and all we have to do is prepare for winter, which is what we do naturally anyway.

I am reminded of the scripture:
2 Thessalonians 3:10
New King James Version (NKJV)
10 For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat.

I have no problem offering food and work to someone that shows up at my bunker and is willing to clear brush, pull security duty, harvest/plant food, fish, hunt, scavenge for supplies in the city, etc.  If not, then turn around and leave.

I also believe this is the way that welfare/food stamps and all government programs should work.  You want that Unemployment check?  Okay, you get it after working cleaning parks and picking up garbage in your home town after 20 hours of work.  Your town board/major will email us your name/hours at the end of the week.  If you get your 20 hours work in this week.. then you get your unemployment check.  If not.. go hungry.

[AmericanPatriot]

My dad told how assistance worked in the Depression.
Now, if there were work to be had, he had it.
He was a highly sought after skilled coal miner and bosses would come to the house for him.

But, he told of a public works project he worked on.
It was building a road.

What you had to do was smash rocks by hand. I believe he said it was 30'X16'X3'
If you didn't do it, you didn't get to come back tomorrow
I asked about heavy equipment. He told me they had it but weren't allowed to use it

[BMG]

I also believe this is the way that welfare/food stamps and all government programs should work.  You want that Unemployment check?  Okay, you get it after working cleaning parks and picking up garbage in your home town after 20 hours of work.  Your town board/major will email us your name/hours at the end of the week.  If you get your 20 hours work in this week.. then you get your unemployment check.  If not.. go hungry.

I wouldn't even mind paying them an hourly wage - in food stamps - if they actually worked for it. The more they work, the more they earn - just like a regular job. At least then the tax payer would be getting something out of it - well, something besides just getting screwed anyway.

[Pandora]

My dad told how assistance worked in the Depression.
Now, if there were work to be had, he had it.
He was a highly sought after skilled coal miner and bosses would come to the house for him.

But, he told of a public works project he worked on.
It was building a road.

What you had to do was smash rocks by hand. I believe he said it was 30'X16'X3'
If you didn't do it, you didn't get to come back tomorrow
I asked about heavy equipment. He told me they had it but weren't allowed to use it

Of course not, because getting the work DONE wasn't the point, it was to provide "jobs".  Sound familiar?

[Weisshaupt]

I have no problem offering food and work to someone that shows up at my bunker and is willing to clear brush, pull security duty, harvest/plant food, fish, hunt, scavenge for supplies in the city, etc.  If not, then turn around and leave.

You are kinder than I am. If you voted to use government power to steal from others to benefit yourself ( or just feel good about yourself) now, I will have no pity on you after your polices bring it all crashing down. Voted for Obama? Go ask Obama for help now.  They  picked a side, made their  bed, and I want them to lie in it. I don't want a single one of them to live into the next generation, and I want their own actions to be their un-doing.  There won't be any "make work" coming this time.
 

[charlesoakwood]

My dad told how assistance worked in the Depression.
Now, if there were work to be had, he had it.
He was a highly sought after skilled coal miner and bosses would come to the house for him.

But, he told of a public works project he worked on.
It was building a road.

What you had to do was smash rocks by hand. I believe he said it was 30'X16'X3'
If you didn't do it, you didn't get to come back tomorrow
I asked about heavy equipment. He told me they had it but weren't allowed to use it

Of course not, because getting the work DONE wasn't the point, it was to provide "jobs".  Sound familiar?

Work is the amount of a task accomplished not the effort put into accomplishing the task,
they don't understand this.  If you don't understand this you cannot understand capitalism.

[AmericanPatriot]

Points made that I hadn't considered.
I took his lesson as there was no free lunch.
In order to get help, you had to work for it and work hard

[charlesoakwood]

Work is the amount of a task accomplished not the effort put into accomplishing the task,
they don't understand this.  If you don't understand this you cannot understand capitalism.

I was referring to the Democrat Socialists that wouldn't allow machinery
along with Pandora's observation their perspective as to work and job, allow
me to rephrase that quote.

Work is the amount of a task accomplished not the effort put into accomplishing the task,
they don't understand this.  If one doesn't understand this one cannot understand capitalism.

[Glock32]

Work is the amount of a task accomplished not the effort put into accomplishing the task,
they don't understand this.  If you don't understand this you cannot understand capitalism.

I was referring to the Democrat Socialists that wouldn't allow machinery
along with Pandora's observation their perspective as to work and job, allow
me to rephrase that quote.

Work is the amount of a task accomplished not the effort put into accomplishing the task,
they don't understand this.  If one doesn't understand this one cannot understand capitalism.

And they don't understand it. I've had to overhear conversations at work about, for instance, the debit card fee that Bank of America recently nixed. The gist of the comments were that it was an outrage that BofA would have even considered such a thing, the greedy pigs with their billions in profits. Total ignorance of the fact that the fee was itself motivated by government halving one of the company's revenue streams with the stroke of a pen. Total ignorance of the fact that a company has a fiduciary responsibility to its investors to always seek profit. They are genuinely perplexed that business does not simply eat the cost of all these mandates, and when businesses pass the cost on to the consumer they see it simply as proof that yet-more government interference is needed.

The same people lambasting Bank of America or ExxonMobil about their profits almost certainly have substantial portions of their 401k or IRA invested in the stock of these very companies, yet cannot fill in the blanks that show the connection between those companies' profits and their own retirement savings growth.

[Sectionhand]

Points made that I hadn't considered.
I took his lesson as there was no free lunch.
In order to get help, you had to work for it and work hard

My grandfather worked several WPA road-gangs . When the work was there you made a little less than $15.00 per week . Pick and shovel stuff .

[Libertas]

Points made that I hadn't considered.
I took his lesson as there was no free lunch.
In order to get help, you had to work for it and work hard

My grandfather worked several WPA road-gangs . When the work was there you made a little less than $15.00 per week . Pick and shovel stuff .

It is my opinion that FDR turned these people into little better than indentured servants, try selling that as compassionate today...yeah, I'd like to see these OWS asshats deal with that reality...they think corporations are a bad overlord?!

 

[AmericanPatriot]

It is my opinion that FDR turned these people into little better than indentured servants, try selling that as compassionate today...yeah, I'd like to see these OWS asshats deal with that reality...they think corporations are a bad overlord?!

Agreed, Libertas

It was inconceivable to people then that they should do nothing and get money.
Tody, it's just as inconceivable that people have to do something for money

[BMG]

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/11/how_might_obama_win_in_2012_and_what_would_happen_next.html

Indeed, if they are particularly clever in this, Obama's campaign might manage to create a four-way race in 2012.  It is easy to imagine a campaign where, for example, one faction splits from the Republican Party and runs a "Tea Party" candidate for president on the grounds that the putative Republican nominee is insufficiently conservative, while, at the same time, a new "centrist" party runs a candidate on the grounds that the Republican candidate is an "extremist."  It is also easy to see the media willingly feeding both stories to the public at the same time.  If such a scenario came to pass, Obama could perform worse than any incumbent president in history and still win the election.

Already we have seen, in a number of congressional elections, the emergence of fake "Tea Party" candidates pushed into the race for the purpose of splitting the vote.  Does it really seem unlikely that Obama's team will be unable to find one -- and they likely would be, given the stakes -- capable of mouthing all the right conservative phrases, among them the claim that anyone who supports the mainstream Republican nominee is not a "true conservative"?  If that candidate alone were able to win, say, between 10% and 15% of the national vote, all Obama would have to do is continue to launch brutal and class warfare-driven attacks on Republicans in order to get the low-forty-something percent of voters who still approve of him today to drag him across the finish line.

An ugly win by Obama would be a detriment to the country.  I'm not sure if he, clearly driven to win re-election above all else, really cares at this point about that.  However, I should also point out that it would also likely be harmful to Obama himself.  He would find himself faced by a hostile Congress that would have good cause to question his legitimacy and would block him at every turn.  He would also likely face the hostility of an ever-larger segment of the public.  He ought to reflect upon the example of former California Governor Gray Davis, who managed to get himself re-elected through the twin underhanded tactics of first intervening in the Republican primary and then relentlessly shredding the character of the opponent he selected, businessman Bill Simon.  Davis won the election but was recalled by the voters of California within a year.

Although there is no way to remove a president from office by a direct vote of the people, it seems likely to me -- given his certain political weakness and the likely emergence of future scandals -- that a re-elected Obama would eventually face impeachment and removal from office at the hands of the Congress.

Given that a divided right remains the clear path for Obama to win, Republican unity must become the overwhelming imperative of 2012.  It is healthy and good that Republicans should fight with vigor over who should be the nominee, but, once the issue is settled by the voters, all conservatives must fight the temptation to opt for the ideal over the acceptable.

[Libertas]

I dunno, I ,a beginning to think this Yoshida is one of them Real Politik/Ruling Class Repub's I've come to know and loath!

[BMG]

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/11/obamas_electoral_advantages_make_it_suicidal_to_underestimate_him.html

I think the GOP basic strategy should be to keep Obama on the defensive, trying to protect some of those states he won in 2008 but are toss-ups today; Nevada is very close as is New Mexico; Iowa is leaning Obama but still a trouble spot. North Carolina is leaning GOP as is Virginia. And then there are the biggies: Pennsylvania, Wisconsn, and Michigan with their 46 electoral votes. The GOP is very competitive in all of those states -- states Obama must have to win. A GOP sweep of those rust belt states would mean certain victory.

So even though Cillizza makes some good points and his analysis is sound, the election will probably hinge on a few rust belt states and 2 or 3 other battleground states where the GOP has a decided advantage. Obama may have many paths to victory, but they will all have to pass through Lansing, Madison, and Harrisburg.

[jpatrickham]

Obama 2012 Victory Map
 
By The Washington Times
 

“Barack Obama wins historic second term!” Get ready; you may be reading that headline a year from now.

Granted, the macro indicators don’t look good for President Obama. Unemployment is over 9 percent and not expected to decline dramatically. Economic growth is anemic. Federal budget deficits are through the roof, and most voters think.....'

Read More and Comment:http://www.exposeobama.com/2011/11/08/obamas-2012-victory-map/

I can see clearly now, Romney will be the Candidate, by closing most of the holes at the Put-Put Range. Democrats will even up the House, and the Senate will be a slight Majority for Republicans. Four more years of Obama with Executive Order being the rule of the day. Have a strange feeling this was the plan all along!

[BMG]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204358004577030481545613916.html

Of all the noise of this week's state election results, what mattered most for Election 2012 came out of Virginia. It was the sound of the air leaking out of the Plouffe plan.

Virginia Republicans added seven new seats to their majority in the House of Delegates, giving them two-thirds of that chamber's votes—the party's largest margin in history. The GOP also took over the Virginia Senate in results that were especially notable, given that Virginia Democrats this spring crafted an aggressive redistricting plan that had only one aim: providing a firewall against a Republican takeover of that chamber. Even that extreme gerrymander didn't work.

Every Republican incumbent—52 in the House, 15 in the Senate—won. The state GOP is looking at unified control over government for only the second time since the Civil War. This is after winning all three top statewide offices—including the election of Gov. Bob McDonnell—in 2009, and picking off three U.S. House Democrats in last year's midterms.

Obama may win, I'll concede that because there are an awful lot of really STUPID voters out there. But I don't believe that it is certain that he will win. I think that he has a fairly small chance of winning frankly - as it stands right now anyway. My best guess would be about a 30% chance or so.

[Pandora]

The TEA Party lives!