Topic: Lynching Cain

[charlesoakwood]

He knew this was coming 10 days ago.  The rumor people say he knew it since 2003.

It's getting weirder.  Within the last hour:

Washington Times - A friend of Cain says, Rahm Emanuel and Perry campaign in cahoots against him.

Did somebody say most muckraking campaign season in a lifetime the other day?
And The Other McCain, who has been irrepressibly supporting Cain for months says:

Rick Santorum for my vote, is the most underrated GOP contender, and the obituary of his campaign has been written far too soon.

[John Florida]

He knew this was coming 10 days ago.  The rumor people say he knew it since 2003.

It's getting weirder.  Within the last hour:

Washington Times - A friend of Cain says, Rahm Emanuel and Perry campaign in cahoots against him.

Did somebody say most muckraking campaign season in a lifetime the other day?
And The Other McCain, who has been irrepressibly supporting Cain for months says:

Rick Santorum for my vote, is the most underrated GOP contender, and the obituary of his campaign has been written far too soon.

 I don't give a damn who said what as long as it didn't start with a repub.If he's guilty fine let him come out and be honest enough to admit it and we'll move on if it's a lie  he better damned well get the documents and throw them out there and shut the hell up before he hands over the rope they're going to use on him.

[Pandora]

Pan he had to know what the hell the restaurant association was signing his name to even if it was back channels he had to agree to a settlement in his name.

No, John.  The association didn't include him in the agreement and it wasn't done in his name; this was between them and the gold-digger.  She didn't work for Cain, she worked for the association.  If you read the Forbes piece, including the part I linked, even the association won't release to Cain the details of the agreement lest they violate the non-disclosure section.

Levin laid it out quite clearly.

The man is between a rock and hard place; there's no court case, so there's no body before whom to argue proceedings, evidence or claims.

Do you not see what has been done here?

[charlesoakwood]

This thing is important. The truth of this thing is important.
He is a major conservative and he is black.  As soon as a
minority Conservative breaks through to prominent elected
office it will be a major crack in the dam an then all of the
traditional minorities will start seeing how they have been
screwed.

That's why all the information is important.  If this is true
and for some reason he is elected they will tag him and
use him against conservatives for the next twenty years.

[John Florida]

Pan he had to know what the hell the restaurant association was signing his name to even if it was back channels he had to agree to a settlement in his name.

No, John.  The association didn't include him in the agreement and it wasn't done in his name; this was between them and the gold-digger.  She didn't work for Cain, she worked for the association.  If you read the Forbes piece, including the part I linked, even the association won't release to Cain the details of the agreement lest they violate the non-disclosure section.

Levin laid it out quite clearly.

The man is between a rock and hard place; there's no court case, so there's no body before whom to argue proceedings, evidence or claims.

Do you not see what has been done here?

 He was crazy not to at least get on a record someplace that he objected to the settlement.Now if they release the records he's guilty if they don't he's done.But back to who the eff leaked it.

[Pandora]

This thing is important. The truth of this thing is important.
He is a major conservative and he is black.  As soon as a
minority Conservative breaks through to prominent elected
office it will be a major crack in the dam an then all of the
traditional minorities will start seeing how they have been
screwed.

That's why all the information is important.  If this is true
and for some reason he is elected they will tag him and
use him against conservatives for the next twenty years.

The truth of the thing is important because it appears a major injustice is being wrought by the left -- again.  I have no great love for Cain, as I've said, but I'll not stand by and let the left run its usual game against a conservative, and a black one no less.

... the Politico sensation-out-of-nothing report, the real story is how confident the Left is that it has set the terms of (and the traps in) our public debate. Unfortunately, that confidence seems well placed.

Andrew McCarthy

[michelleo]

This thing is important. The truth of this thing is important.
He is a major conservative and he is black.  As soon as a
minority Conservative breaks through to prominent elected
office it will be a major crack in the dam an then all of the
traditional minorities will start seeing how they have been
screwed.

That's why all the information is important.  If this is true
and for some reason he is elected they will tag him and
use him against conservatives for the next twenty years.

The truth of the thing is important because it appears a major injustice is being wrought by the left -- again.  I have no great love for Cain, as I've said, but I'll not stand by and let the left run its usual game against a conservative, and a black one no less.

... the Politico sensation-out-of-nothing report, the real story is how confident the Left is that it has set the terms of (and the traps in) our public debate. Unfortunately, that confidence seems well placed.

Andrew McCarthy

The left's already won this thing, Pandora.  Their candidates can be guilty of rape and sexual assault.  They can father love children while their wives die of cancer.  And our side gets all riled up about the idea of a candidate telling a woman she's attractive.  Our side always must live by an entirely different set of standards than their side, and as a result, our side will lose every time. 

[Pandora]

No.  I don't believe that and I'm not giving in to it, michelle.

Fight, gawdamnit!

[charlesoakwood]

ETA:

The truth of the thing is important because it appears a major injustice is being wrought by the left -- again.

Yes it is a major injustice but we don't know
the crime or the criminals.  First, Cain has to
stop digging that hole. Second, the true culprits
exposed.

As far as:

That's why all the information is important.  If this is true
and for some reason he is elected they will tag him and
use him against conservatives for the next twenty years.

That may not be accurate. Exposition of that thought
comes to "he'll be another B.J. Clinton".  Well, that
won't hurt conservatives attracting the traditional
minority voters, women, blacks, and Latinos.  They
will still expose themselves to the concepts of capitalism
and understand how they've been used.

[Pandora]

ETA:

The truth of the thing is important because it appears a major injustice is being wrought by the left -- again.

Yes it is a major injustice but we don't know
the crime or the criminals.  First, Cain has to
stop digging that hole. Second, the true culprits
exposed.

As far as:

That's why all the information is important.  If this is true
and for some reason he is elected they will tag him and
use him against conservatives for the next twenty years.

That may not be accurate. Exposition of that thought
comes to "he'll be another B.J. Clinton".  Well, that
won't hurt conservatives attracting the traditional
minority voters, women, blacks, and Latinos.  They
will still expose themselves to the concepts of capitalism
and understand how they've been used.

Hole?  Cain is trying to dig out of the hole the left has created for him and dumped him in.

[charlesoakwood]

No, he dug the hole.  He doesn't remember anything it was so long ago.
Then on Fox he remembers a little more and goes through the grill by
Krauthammer & Co.  The next day he changes that story.  But he still
hasn't given a clue that he was totally debriefed in 2003.  Those I remember
off the top. 

He's playing & I'm flogging mad tired of being played.  He's not being
straight up, that's one.  I want my president to be able to handle a
situation better than he is handling this one, that's two.

[John Florida]

ETA:

The truth of the thing is important because it appears a major injustice is being wrought by the left -- again.

Yes it is a major injustice but we don't know
the crime or the criminals.  First, Cain has to
stop digging that hole. Second, the true culprits
exposed.

As far as:

That's why all the information is important.  If this is true
and for some reason he is elected they will tag him and
use him against conservatives for the next twenty years.

That may not be accurate. Exposition of that thought
comes to "he'll be another B.J. Clinton".  Well, that
won't hurt conservatives attracting the traditional
minority voters, women, blacks, and Latinos.  They
will still expose themselves to the concepts of capitalism
and understand how they've been used.

Hole?  Cain is trying to dig out of the hole the left has created for him and dumped him in.

 Are you sure the left started this?

[Pandora]

ETA:

The truth of the thing is important because it appears a major injustice is being wrought by the left -- again.

Yes it is a major injustice but we don't know
the crime or the criminals.  First, Cain has to
stop digging that hole. Second, the true culprits
exposed.

As far as:

That's why all the information is important.  If this is true
and for some reason he is elected they will tag him and
use him against conservatives for the next twenty years.

That may not be accurate. Exposition of that thought
comes to "he'll be another B.J. Clinton".  Well, that
won't hurt conservatives attracting the traditional
minority voters, women, blacks, and Latinos.  They
will still expose themselves to the concepts of capitalism
and understand how they've been used.

Hole?  Cain is trying to dig out of the hole the left has created for him and dumped him in.

 Are you sure the left started this?

Fair point.  Maybe not; maybe it was his ex-campaign manager now in Perry's camp.

[John Florida]

ETA:

The truth of the thing is important because it appears a major injustice is being wrought by the left -- again.

Yes it is a major injustice but we don't know
the crime or the criminals.  First, Cain has to
stop digging that hole. Second, the true culprits
exposed.

As far as:

That's why all the information is important.  If this is true
and for some reason he is elected they will tag him and
use him against conservatives for the next twenty years.

That may not be accurate. Exposition of that thought
comes to "he'll be another B.J. Clinton".  Well, that
won't hurt conservatives attracting the traditional
minority voters, women, blacks, and Latinos.  They
will still expose themselves to the concepts of capitalism
and understand how they've been used.

Hole?  Cain is trying to dig out of the hole the left has created for him and dumped him in.

 Are you sure the left started this?

Fair point.  Maybe not; maybe it was his ex-campaign manager now in Perry's camp.

 If it was they're both done.

[IronDioPriest]

Who started it is less important to me than how Cain finishes it. Let's deal with whether this is a Leftist effort or GOP establishment protecting its turf after Herman Cain either dispatches the situation definitively, or the facts dispatch the situation for him. One way or the other.

As Charles said, I want my president to be able to handle situations better than this. They apparently had 10 days notice that this was going to become an issue, and so far I've seen denial, retroactive admission (the whole "you're as tall as my wife" thing doesn't smell right to me, BTW), piecemeal revelation of some facts (payoff amount, eg) the race card, and blame based on the thinnest veneer.

The Cain campaign is rocked on its heels. That's either because they have no clue how to run a campaign, or because there's some amount of truth to the allegations. I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt. But something needs to change about how they're handling this.

[Pandora]

ETA:

The truth of the thing is important because it appears a major injustice is being wrought by the left -- again.

Yes it is a major injustice but we don't know
the crime or the criminals.  First, Cain has to
stop digging that hole. Second, the true culprits
exposed.

As far as:

That's why all the information is important.  If this is true
and for some reason he is elected they will tag him and
use him against conservatives for the next twenty years.

That may not be accurate. Exposition of that thought
comes to "he'll be another B.J. Clinton".  Well, that
won't hurt conservatives attracting the traditional
minority voters, women, blacks, and Latinos.  They
will still expose themselves to the concepts of capitalism
and understand how they've been used.

Hole?  Cain is trying to dig out of the hole the left has created for him and dumped him in.

 Are you sure the left started this?

Fair point.  Maybe not; maybe it was his ex-campaign manager now in Perry's camp.

 If it was they're both done.

Perhaps.  The main point here is the left as ever ready to pick up and run with the least of the worst, blowing it up with innuendo as they go.

[Janny]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/02/oklahoma-pollster-confirms-he-witnessed-incident-involving-cain/
...

In that interview, Wilson-who is doing polling for a political action committee supporting Texas Governor Rick Perry's campaign but is independent of it–described an incident with Cain and a female employee.

"This occurred at a restaurant in Crystal City (Virginia) and everybody was aware of it," said Wilson, who was a consultant for the organization at the time, in the KTOK interview. "It was only a matter of time because so many people were aware of what took place, so many people were aware of her situation, the fact she left-everybody knew with the campaign that this would eventually come up."
...

Read it all here

Again, no details, lots of allusions and innuendo.  This is really starting to piss me off.

I am right there with you. This whole "story" is based on allusions and innuendo by anonymous sources who conveniently can't speak out. My head is spinning trying to sort out the 1% facts from the 99% innuendo and assumptions.

And the right wing bloggers are feeding into it all by rushing to "report" the latest innuendos and allusions. It's despicable!

[Janny]

The media - Left & Right - is calling THIS VIDEO Cain "lashing out" and having a "meltdown". The headlines are everywhere. In the Minneapolis Star Tribune was a 1/8-page editorial cartoon, with a caricature of Cain with a sh*t-eating grin saying, "9-9-9 is the number of women accusing me of sexual harassment."

High-tech lynching indeed. I don't know if this guy did anything untoward, but this isn't something to "get through". If he has any evidence that would clarify exactly what took place, and put this in a perspective other than what the media is in the process of creating - NOW is the time, Mr. Cain. Blaming leakers is NOT going to cut it.

Establishment of both parties decided this guy needs to be taken out, and everybody is in agreement. The only ones who can clear this up are Herman Cain and perhaps his so-called accusers.

>snip<

IDP, did you read the Forbes article?  Cain has no evidence, he's privy to no "evidence".  The settlement agreements cannot be found, supposedly, and, as he had no say -- and little knowledge -- of what they included, there's nothing for him to clarify.

Think for a minute if what Richard Miniter writes is true.  These are scurrilous accusations with no hard proof attached and folks are clamoring for the details of which he is barred from obtaining, thus explaining.

I have to thank you for this. You are one of the few sane voices I have seen on this. All I keep seeing repeated is how Cain and his campaign flubbed it by not being prepared to counter this. How can you counter something with no information at your disposal. This whole thing just reeks.

That said,  if Cain and/or his campaign reps are making accusations and demanding apologies, they had damned well better have more than innuendo for evidence.

[ToddF]

No matter how this turns out, watching the Republican establishment I have now moved out of the anybody but Romney camp.  I will vote for no one other than Cain or Newt.  If anyone who has been playing into this, or is just sitting back hoping they benefit, well, let me just say 

Perry, I will vote 3rd party.  Romney, 3rd party.  Rinse and repeat down the line.  Enough is enough with "my side" playing into the garbage that comes out of the left.  Enough is enough with "my side" playing along to the leftist narrative.  If "my side" stops representing me, then it's time to find another side to join.

[Libertas]

Yup, this is what happens when Ruling Class repub's start playing games...whoever they hate, whoever they target...they are my allies.