Topic: Unilateral Israeli Strike on Iran?

[charlesoakwood]

A link -
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203363504577187420287098692.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories
Video coming soon.

Reply #92 on: Yesterday at 07:25:02 PM »
   Link on USS Ponce - retrofitted commando "mother ship".
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/pentagon-wants-commando-mother-ship/2012/01/27/gIQA66rGWQ_story.html

Click on the Photo "Gallery" link on the left of the article, cool pics there.

Been many many moons since I've been in that area, strait is 20 miles wide, but the primary shipping lanes (I think there are 2, inbound & outbound) are narrow, for traffic safety reasons, obviously smaller craft involved in any Iranian action can zip in and around so countering mine laying and such makes sense.

Here are maps that gives a picture of the immediate area -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Strait_of_hormuz_full.jpg

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jksonc/docs/ir655-chart-2888-1580px.html

Realtime shipping traffic -  http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/

Reply #97 on: Today at 10:26:53 AM »
Whoa!  Is there a lot of tanker traffic in the strait today!  Everybody must be loading up like demons in case some stuff goes down. 

http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/   

Reply #99 on: Today at 11:04:38 AM »
   Yeah, it's a pretty cool site.
Far as I know Lincoln is still in Gulf and Vinson in Arabian Sea, with the "commando" platform in process, several Brit and other allied warships in the area.  Place is buzzing.

Achmed got more than he bargained for.
The international military community is there, also,
to reassure the shipping companies and their insurers.

[Libertas]

Yup, and you can bet the governments are underwriting the insurance companies should anything happen, so a proactive stance is entirely predictable and necessary.

I tell that to the Code Pink Libertarian's at ZeroHedge they'll call me a warmonger and Jew-lover.  Sticks & stones to me, whuppity doh-dah!

Achmed & Co gonna be some sorry Persians soon methinks!

 

[Libertas]

Heh, everytime carriers move around the Code Pink PaulBots get all up in a froth over forthcoming Armageddon!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/third-aircraft-carrier-group-coming-iran

I think they actually get upset nothing has happened yet to justify their pansy attitudes toward dirtballs, especially dirtballs belonging to the Cult of Mohammad!

[charlesoakwood]

My system turns the comment section into a
three word column. Makes my eyes cross.


One commenter brought up this as a distraction from Egypt. 
Thoughts on that this morning reflected on the current
citizens taking refuge at the US embassy there.  The only
remaining steps are for the students to attack and Obuzzer
to surrender.  Deja vue all over again.

Three carrier groups, well, if TSHTF Israel won't have to
worry about those round trip flights.

[Libertas]

Yeah, if too many comment one after another instead of making a top level response the column width get stupid and I just skip over those morons.

Everytime more than one carrier goes anywhere these goofballs go insane and think Armageddon is imminent!

 

If Israel acts, we (and our allies) are there merely to protect our friends in the region and keep the sea lanes open.  Israel can smack the Persians around as long as they desire.

Have at it!

 

[Libertas]

Nothing terribly new, just a public announcement that rest of Gulf states are coordinating efforts to thwart Persian meddling in the region.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/gulf-arabs-plans-against-hormuz-closure-official-004325154.html

[charlesoakwood]

The article did answer one question about the size of the bottleneck: "...the four-mile-wide (6.4 kilometer) channel...",
that's pretty tight for all those vessels to slide through.

They don't want to talk about their assets, again as SC asked, "would that be Evinrude or Johnson?"

[Libertas]

The article did answer one question about the size of the bottleneck: "...the four-mile-wide (6.4 kilometer) channel...",
that's pretty tight for all those vessels to slide through.

They don't want to talk about their assets, again as SC asked, "would that be Evinrude or Johnson?"

The 4 mile wide area comprises the deep channel shipping lanes large ships must transit, the actual narrowest point between land masses is about 20 miles.

As far as Evinrude or Johnson...






Persian's!

 

[Libertas]

Perhaps Bibi told Stymie his timetable, plans and ideas suck and told him to piss off and he'll do it all himself?!

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-02/israel-defense-chief-barak-says-world-understands-need-to-act-against-iran.html

[AlanS]

Perhaps Bibi told Stymie his timetable, plans and ideas suck and told him to piss off and he'll do it all himself?!

I think he's brought that up in conversation before.

[John Florida]

Perhaps Bibi told Stymie his timetable, plans and ideas suck and told him to piss off and he'll do it all himself?!

I think he's brought that up in conversation before.

 Somebody has to take the ass by the ears.

[trapeze]

Okay, here's something to get you thinking. Yes, it's a WND page but the information is what it is...

The Iranian government, through a website proxy, has laid out the legal and religious justification for the destruction of Israel and the slaughter of its people.

The doctrine includes wiping out Israeli assets and Jewish people worldwide.

Calling Israel a danger to Islam, the conservative website Alef, with ties to Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said the opportunity must not be lost to remove “this corrupting material. It is a ‘jurisprudential justification” to kill all the Jews and annihilate Israel, and in that, the Islamic government of Iran must take the helm.”

The article, written by Alireza Forghani, a conservative analyst and a strategy specialist in Khamenei’s camp, now is being run on most state-owned conservative sites, including the Revolutionary Guards’ Fars News Agency, showing that the regime endorses this doctrine.

The article goes on to say...

Under this pre-emptive defensive doctrine, several Ground Zero points of Israel must be destroyed and its people annihilated. Forghani cites the last census by the Israel Central Bureau of Statistics that shows Israel has a population of 7.5 million citizens of which a majority of 5.7 million are Jewish. Then it breaks down the districts with the highest concentration of Jewish people, indicating that three cities, Tel Aviv, Jerusalem and Haifa, contain over 60 percent of the Jewish population that Iran could target with its Shahab 3 ballistic missiles, killing all its inhabitants.

Forghani suggests that Iran’s Sejil missile, which is a two-stage rocket with a trajectory and speed that make it impossible to intercept, should target such Israeli facilities as: the Rafael nuclear plant, which is the main nuclear engineering center of Israel; the Eilun nuclear plant; another Israeli reactor in Nebrin; and the Dimona reactor in the nuclear research center in Neqeb, the most critical nuclear reactor in Israel because it produces 90 percent enriched uranium for Israel’s nuclear weapons.

Other targets, according to the article, include airports and air force bases such as the Sedot Mikha Air Base, which contains Jericho ballistic missiles and is located southwest of the Tel Nof Air Base, where aircraft equipped with nuclear weapons are based. Secondary targets include power plants, sewage treatment facilities, energy resources, and transportation and communication infrastructures.

Finally, Forghani says, Shahab 3 and Ghadr missiles can target urban settlements until the Israelis are wiped out.

Who will make the first move?

And what will the craven Obongo do?

[Libertas]

Banging the war drums a bit too loudly I think, I think the Persian's are crazy enough to do anything, but I think they think if they are seen as the victim in this then they are free to unleash whatever they want, but if they do a pre-emptive strike they are doing Israel a favor.  Israel doesn't give a damn about international politics when it comes to their survival, so the Persian's are screwed either way.  I don't think all Iranian missles will get through, or be launched undetected, so if they start something Israel will be all too willing to respond with everything they have.  The Saudi's would love nothing better than to see Iran crushed, with Syria imploding it would leave them as the regions central player once again.  I would worry about a Muslim Brotherhood dominated Egypt pushing the military to join the fray, it is the only second front that concerns me.

[trapeze]

One of them has to make the first move. I honestly do not see another option for them.

Israel cannot wait until Iran has the nukes necessary to destroy them with a first strike. Iran cannot wait until after Israel has launched their offensive to wipe out their nuke manufacturing capacity.

Diplomacy (Obongo's excuse for doing nothing) is not going to work this time. And time is in short supply. It will be this year.

[Libertas]

Yeah, Obutthole's diplomacy sure came through in spades regarding Syria, eh?  Oops, no it didn't!

 

I think Israel will act first, they have no choice.  But I worry about Egypt, thanks to Obamahole that nation is a wildcard now.  Maybe the military there can stave off disaster, but they are under a lot of pressure, and a coup of MB supporters could radicalize them practically overnight.

[Libertas]

The Iranian Empire strikes back -

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/bombs-target-israeli-diplomats-in-india-georgia-2-injured/2012/02/13/gIQA2kDlAR_print.html

Can't wait to see what The Istitute has in mind for a response.

 

ETA - Heh:  "Thai police say male suspect, initially identified as Iranian, accidentally blew his own legs off in a series of blasts in the capital"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/14/bangkok-neighbourhood-twin-blasts

Maybe somebody can slip into the hospital and finish him off...

 

Fouind a pic -


http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/02/iranian-bomber-blows-off-his-own-legs-after-bungled-terror-attack-in-bangkok/saeid-moradi/

[Libertas]

Lincoln going through strait again, some shadowing by Oran, but that's about it, Iran is not going to do anything, but as usual the PaulBots & Code Pinkos that like to go hysterical at ZH are in panic mode again...their mommies must get sick of them being in their basements...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/iran-patrol-boats-drones-shadow-cvn-72-abraham-lincoln-it-passes-through-straits-hormuz

Anyway, the right of free passage continues unmolested.

 

[Libertas]

Is it just me, or when I read this, is this DIA Director not issuing a warning about Iran but a warning to us that an Iranian bomb is a fait acompli and as such we have to adopt to that new reality, as in live with an Iran with the bomb/nothing we can do about it?  WTH?!  It reeks of Obama style defeatism/capitulation!  US Snooze & World Distort is not immune from listing to port, but this is coming from the DIA Director for God's sake!

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/dotmil/2012/02/16/intel-official-iranian-missiles-could-hit-nearby-us-targets-europe

We are losing it.  Israel is becoming more and more isolated, I've never been so disgusted in the actions of my government.  This is not going to end well, no way, no how.

 

[Magnum]

Since obama has taken office he has visited:

Turkey
Iraq
Saudi Arabia
Egypt
Indonesia
Afghanistan

That is just the muslim countries, he has visited 30 countries in all.

However he has yet to visit ISRAEL

"I (God) will bless those who bless you (Israel) and will curse those who curse you"... (Genesis 12:3)

[charlesoakwood]

The only reason Iran can do anything is because we
allow it.  Ø's obsession with Israel and Iran stuffing the
strait with sunken ships fits well with his game plan.

The general's comments are redundant, nothing new, more
kabuki.  This admin is so foolish they don't know where they
are going or what they are going to do.  Submit more than
likely.