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charlesoakwood

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Cain-Gingrich debate
« on: November 02, 2011, 10:42:03 AM »

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Lincoln-Douglas style debate that Herman Cain and Newt Gingrich agreed to have in Texas this coming Saturday evening. Technically, it's a fundraiser for the Texas Tea Party Patriot PAC.
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The C-SPAN network has just informed us here at Investor's Business Daily that it will, indeed, broadcast the entire Cain-Gingrich Lincoln-Douglas debate nationally Saturday evening on its main channel, plus C-SPAN Radio and live-stream it at c-span.org. Starting time is 5 p.m. Pacific, 8 p.m. Eastern.
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Re: Cain-Gingrich debate
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2011, 10:45:51 AM »
Can't wait to watch this. Not sure I can watch it live, or be here for a live-blog on Saturday night until I see what's going on with the family, but if I can watch and blog live, I sure will.
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Re: Cain-Gingrich debate
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2011, 10:51:49 AM »
The Discouraged Right, with few to many options, may need to take a long hard look at this. These two may be our best options. I feel Herman Cain is capable of a monumental slip up in a debate with Obama. Newt Gingrich, the smartest man in the room on all occasions is getting more and more attractive to me. First, we have to save our Country then worry about the rest at a later date.

Gingrich offers the best option for that at this time. Morality? At this time and this place hardly matters when dealing with the one Person who may be able to save us. Newt Gingrich baggage and all, is looking more like Abraham Lincoln everyday.
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Re: Cain-Gingrich debate
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2011, 11:33:53 AM »
I would suspect that Newt would mop the ground up with Herman
But, they probably thought Douglass would do the same to Lincoln

JPH, Newt is a technocrat who sees all solutions in government. Government just needs to do it's job better
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Re: Cain-Gingrich debate
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2011, 11:40:26 AM »

IIRC the debate subject will be restricted to entitlements.

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Re: Cain-Gingrich debate
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2011, 11:51:47 AM »
Can Gingrich break through?


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"That scenario may be a long-shot, but no one should rule it out. After Thursday’s education session, Mr. Gingrich mentioned that in a conventional year he might not get that second look. But this year, voters are worried enough about the condition and direction of the country that they are willing to consider someone with proposals that are bolder than the political norm. Mr. Gingrich must still overcome the perception that he’s been around too long, as well as his habit of talking himself into trouble (recall his criticism of Paul Ryan’s Medicare plan). He’ll need more money too. But in a year when GOP voters are still searching for someone who can go head-to-head with President Obama, don’t be surprised if Mr. Gingrich gets another turn in the spotlight."


Read the Article

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204528204577011840475430080.html?mod=rss_opinion_main
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Re: Cain-Gingrich debate
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2011, 11:52:31 AM »
Quote from: jpatrickham on November 02, 2011, 10:51:49 AM
The Discouraged Right, with few to many options, may need to take a long hard look at this. These two may be our best options. I feel Herman Cain is capable of a monumental slip up in a debate with Obama. Newt Gingrich, the smartest man in the room on all occasions is getting more and more attractive to me. First, we have to save our Country then worry about the rest at a later date.

Gingrich offers the best option for that at this time. Morality? At this time and this place hardly matters when dealing with the one Person who may be able to save us. Newt Gingrich baggage and all, is looking more like Abraham Lincoln everyday.

Okay, now think back to Newtie and Nancy sittin' on the couch ...  see if that doesn't give you an ouch.  ;D
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Re: Cain-Gingrich debate
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2011, 11:55:58 AM »
Quote from: Pandora on November 02, 2011, 11:52:31 AM
Quote from: jpatrickham on November 02, 2011, 10:51:49 AM
The Discouraged Right, with few to many options, may need to take a long hard look at this. These two may be our best options. I feel Herman Cain is capable of a monumental slip up in a debate with Obama. Newt Gingrich, the smartest man in the room on all occasions is getting more and more attractive to me. First, we have to save our Country then worry about the rest at a later date.

Gingrich offers the best option for that at this time. Morality? At this time and this place hardly matters when dealing with the one Person who may be able to save us. Newt Gingrich baggage and all, is looking more like Abraham Lincoln everyday.

Okay, now think back to Newtie and Nancy sittin' on the couch ...  see if that doesn't give you an ouch.  ;D


Oh yes, I agree but, that was way before we ran out of good Candidates to run against the Beast. Can't throw firecrackers at a Battleship, and Newt, baggage and all is a Battleship!
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Re: Cain-Gingrich debate
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2011, 11:58:13 AM »
Quote from: Pandora on November 02, 2011, 11:52:31 AM
Okay, now think back to Newtie and Nancy sittin' on the couch ...  see if that doesn't give you an ouch.  ;D

Or the cock-sure tone in his voice when he labeled Paul Ryan's budget "Right-wing social engineering", equating it to "Left-wing social engineering", and dismissing Ryan's budget as something the American people don't want - at just the moment the budget needed support from conservative thinkers - AND at just the moment the nation needs SOME kind of bold, out of the box thinking to solve our problems. Gingrich acted as a saboteur of a conservative solution to the budget crisis.
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Re: Cain-Gingrich debate
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2011, 12:03:54 PM »
Quote from: jpatrickham on November 02, 2011, 11:55:58 AM
Quote from: Pandora on November 02, 2011, 11:52:31 AM
Quote from: jpatrickham on November 02, 2011, 10:51:49 AM
The Discouraged Right, with few to many options, may need to take a long hard look at this. These two may be our best options. I feel Herman Cain is capable of a monumental slip up in a debate with Obama. Newt Gingrich, the smartest man in the room on all occasions is getting more and more attractive to me. First, we have to save our Country then worry about the rest at a later date.

Gingrich offers the best option for that at this time. Morality? At this time and this place hardly matters when dealing with the one Person who may be able to save us. Newt Gingrich baggage and all, is looking more like Abraham Lincoln everyday.

Okay, now think back to Newtie and Nancy sittin' on the couch ...  see if that doesn't give you an ouch.  ;D


Oh yes, I agree but, that was way before we ran out of good Candidates to run against the Beast. Can't throw firecrackers at a Battleship, and Newt, baggage and all is a Battleship!

Yes, he is indeed a Battleship in many respects, but one:  a Battleship does not turn on a dime.  Newt does, has, and will.  Taking note of IDP's points, I'd rather not have this particular Battleship turn on us and our goals.
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Re: Cain-Gingrich debate
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2011, 12:31:29 PM »
What Pan said. We've suffered McCain turning the weight of his history and office against conservatism. Imagine Gingrich's intellect turned against conservatism.

You KNOW it would happen too. Sure as the sun rises, Newt would go for some "comprehensive" solution to something.
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Re: Cain-Gingrich debate
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2011, 12:54:13 PM »
He would go for a comprehensive solution to everything.
He is an avid acolyte of Alvin Toffler and his books
especially, "Future Shock".

http://www.amazon.com/Future-Shock-Alvin-Toffler/dp/0553277375
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Toffler's main concern is with the recognition that while a human being's capacity to adjust physically, psychologically, and socially to this torrent of change is finite and quite limited, the pace of change is increasing and expanding into more and more areas of individuals' lives.

gNewt thinks he is the man to lead
us through this torrential trauma.

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Re: Cain-Gingrich debate
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2011, 01:04:20 PM »
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... the pace of change is increasing and expanding into more and more areas of individuals' lives.

Leading the Newts to believe government must do so as well.

I'm aggravated at continually being misunderestimated.

Good find, CO.
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Re: Cain-Gingrich debate
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2011, 07:23:46 AM »
Almost forgot about Toffler, good reminder CO.
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Re: Cain-Gingrich debate
« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2011, 06:13:16 PM »


Just a bump.  Don't know if it's CSPAN I or II.


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Re: Cain-Gingrich debate
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Re: Cain-Gingrich debate
« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2011, 07:16:23 PM »
Quote from: Charles Oakwood on November 05, 2011, 06:13:16 PM


Just a bump.  Don't know if it's CSPAN I or II.




 I just set tivo up so I can watch it later. Newt will probably clean his clock,good for Newt Bad for Cain.I hope they play it clean.
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Re: Cain-Gingrich debate
« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2011, 08:31:38 PM »

Cain to Newt:  If you were vice president what assignment would
                      want the president to give you?

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« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2011, 08:52:34 PM »
I thought it was a worthwhile endeavor. The audio SUCKED. Aside from that they both put out some pretty bold ideas for entitlement reform - a lot of it re-affirmation of conservative ideas that have been floated before, but good ideas nonetheless, that have been derailed and demagogued by the Left until dead.

Does it seem like these two are trying to get people to think of them in tandem?
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Re: Cain-Gingrich debate
« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2011, 01:35:22 AM »
Over at HotAir the opinion is decisive that Gingrich was the overwhelming winner. A reader poll gave it to Newt 67% to Cain's 14%

Food for thought.

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