Topic: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...

[charlesoakwood]

Asked again about the concerns, Panetta said he was worried that “when these countries engage in provocations of one kind or another over these various islands, that it raises the possibility that a misjudgment on one side or the other could result in violence and could result in conflict, and that conflict would then, you know, have the potential of expanding.”

They are such fools.  
This chart illustrates the area China is claiming.


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-E91xjwmgVTY/UEYROQYENkI/AAAAAAAAM_k/4iRsHcZlQsk/s1600/SCS+claims.jpg


ETA: Those are some nice glass boats those fishermen have in that FT video.


EETA:  Link

Panetta, alongside his Japanese counterpart, Defense Minister Satoshi Morimoto, reiterated Washington's [wide] stance that while it does not take sides in Japan's territorial disputes with its neighbors, the United States will abide by its treaty agreements to come to Japan's aid if it is attacked. But he made it clear he hopes it never comes to that.


EEETA:  Tokyo (CNN)

The electronics company Panasonic said Monday that it was suspending operations at three plants in China after two of them were damaged amid violent anti-Japanese protests set off by the clash between Beijing and Tokyo over a group of small islands in the East China Sea.


If these factories were of any size it's going to hurt China.  
More unmarried fire ants without a job.


"After his meetings in Japan, Panetta is due to travel to China, where he will meet with "top military and civilian leaders including Defense Minister Gen. Liang Guanglie," according to the Pentagon."

Hey, Leon, don't forget the salve.

[Libertas]

Anybody who can read a fricken map cannot walk away thinking "Yeah, the Chinese have a valid claim there"!  There are four other nations much closer to the disputed islands.

Their ships are clearly spy vessels, they are there to monitor others more than to assert their claim.  If they were serious about the latter there would be capital warships cruising, not Cho-Com spook ships!

Panetta might "hope it doesn't come to that" but even a fool knows if you fail to be seen actively supporting Japan (deploying ships!) you are annouoncing to the Chi-Com's you are not that serious about standing by your ally.  Either they are our ally and it is strategically important to maintain them as an ally or they are not.  Which is it Leon?

Or as you put it so eloquently CO, use the salve or offer the salve to them!

(Bullish on KY sales either way!)  

[charlesoakwood]

BEIJING — U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta is calling on China to expand its military relations with the United States to avoid miscalculations as Beijing develops its armed forces and extends its influence in the Asia Pacific region.

(Reuters) -- "Our goal is to have the United States and China establish the most important bilateral relationship in the world, and the key to that is to establish a strong military-to-military relationship," Panetta said in opening remarks that reporters were allowed to observe.

[Libertas]

So Panetta wants to play patty-cake with Chi-Com brass, eh?  Hey Leon, how about you do that chit once you're a fricken unemployed private citizen again!

Reagan didn't play footsie with the Rooskies to win the Cold War, he surrounded 'em and dared them to match him move for move and they went bust!

Silly Leon...just STFU and eat your peas!

[Libertas]

I take this as a rebuff of Panetta's patty-cake proposal...

China’s most powerful military leader, in an unusual public statement, last week ordered military forces to prepare for combat, as Chinese warships deployed to waters near disputed islands and anti-Japan protests throughout the country turned violent.
http://freebeacon.com/chinese-general-prepare-for-combat/

Leon didn't call that one too well, I guess that phone call to Obama for direction really laid an egg...who could have seen it coming?

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[charlesoakwood]

In China, "I do not want to speak Japanese" right now -- Rough Cuts

Published on Sep 18, 2012 by ReutersTV

Reuters Shanghai senior correspondent Kazunori Takada gives his perspective as a Japanese resident of Shanghai, as China is rocked by anti-Japan protests. Given the heightened tension, Takada says he does not want to speak his native tongue in public. (September 18, 2012)

[Libertas]

Yeah, umm...might want to GTFO while the gettin' is good!

[charlesoakwood]

China's giving another little nudge cruising thirty miles off the coast of Japan's tourist destination, Yonaguni Island in the Okinawa prefecture [state].

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/10/16/as-territorial-dispute-rages-japan-monitors-chinese-warships-crossing-near/?intcmp=trending

http://a57.foxnews.com/global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/World/660/371/Japan%20China%20Ships_Bake.jpg

http://www.edgarcayce.org/_AncientMysteriesTemp/Resources/okinawamap.jpeg

Yeah, Edgar Cayce, but the map is a good perspective of the area.

TOKYO –  Japan and China are trading a new round of criticism after Japanese military aircraft spotted seven Chinese warships in waters off a southern island not far from a chain of isles at the center of a heated territory dispute. China said the ships were on a routine training mission.

The Chinese ships were sighted Tuesday about 49 kilometers (30 miles) from the island of Yonaguni,
...
Underscoring China's sharper stance, it also protested the scrambling of a Japanese military plane in the direction of the disputed islands, calling that a "gross violation" of Chinese sovereign rights.

This is partially some election or power transition (every 10 years) strutting so this can be considered a two-fer for them.

[Libertas]

Japanese should team up with the Taiwanese and wave their bottoms at the ChiCom's!   

[Libertas]

Chi-Com's sending spy boats to Senkaku again.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-24/three-chinese-surveillance-vessels-enter-japanese-waters-around-senkaku-islands

Time for the Japanese to "man the rail" and offer their salute!

             

 

[charlesoakwood]

Not that they don't have a long term time plan to control all the China Seas these on going stunts appear to be part of a decadal sabre rattling ritual.  They know Romney's coming and will not challenge him straight out of the chute.


BEIJING - China on Friday said it will take forceful measures in response to any moves that challenge the country's bottom line on sovereignty.
...
Zhang said Japanese government's "purchase" of the Diaoyu [Senkaku] Islands, which was announced on September 10, constituted a grave violation of China's territorial sovereignty.

[Libertas]

Mitt, upon meeting the first Chi-Com representative once he is President, should sport a large and unmistakable "Free Bo Xilai" button!

    

[Libertas]

We'll we can strike that last posting!   

[Libertas]

Meet Xi Jinping, new Chi-Com party leader and Red Army Grand Poohbah -

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_CHINA_CONGRESS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-11-14-22-49-03

"Xi gave no hint of new thinking to address the problems. The lack of specifics and the new leadership heavy with conservative technocrats deflated expectations for change in some quarters."

The unknown unknowns tend to make people the most nervous.

But some things will never change with China - "Fresh in office, Xi can ill-afford to bow to foreigners, crossing a nationalistic public and a military that may still be uncertain about his leadership."

Yeah, bold statement, that.   

AP.  Meh.

[Libertas]

Indians (dot) getting iritated by ChiCom's.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-03/india-sets-naval-showdown-china

Too bad we do not have intelligent leadership, what a wonderful time to approach our Indian friends and check the ChiCom's...

Oh well, they'll have to sort it out themselves.  Not like the S.China Sea is strategically important at all...

[charlesoakwood]

The only thing between this and the RDS Prelude is that strip of Indonesia.

Yeah, we are being presented with great opportunities but our leadership is consumed by their own greatness. 
India's been on this for a while:

India & the Malacca Straits
« on: August 04, 2012, 01:31:55 AM »


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[Libertas]

The Indians are the only ones that seem to be interested in checking the String of Pearls. 

[Libertas]

Wow, Xi Jinping or Ding Dong or Ping Pong or whateverthehellhisnameis has only been in power for not yet a month and we have the chiCom's violating Senkaku (Japan) airspace -

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-13/japan-scrambles-eight-f-15-jets-chinese-airplane-enters-disputed-island-airspace#comment-3058750

Next time Japan ought to respond with SAMs if their hails are not answered and IFF shows foe!   

[charlesoakwood]

They are asking for it.

China's diminished trade with Japan highlights China's economic  slowdown and they must do something to offset it and public unrest.

The island dispute bolsters nationalistic distraction while, with world resistance at its weakest, allows them the potential to gain possession of mineral and food rich territories.  Not to mention domination of the South China Sea and its environs.

NAHA, Japan, Dec. 13, Kyodo- 4 Chinese ships sail into Japan's territorial waters around Senkakus

[Libertas]

FIRE!!!