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History, Indoctrination and Today
« on: November 20, 2011, 12:33:01 AM »

"Most people's historical perspective begins with the day of their birth."
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In discussing the beliefs of the Occupiers, including these 17-year-old girls who attend a private Catholic academy where the tuition is $14,000 a year, Jeff suggested they had been “indoctrinated.” This called to mind Buckley’s description of indoctrination in Up From Liberalism, and made me wonder how these girls were taught that they are “the 99 percent” on whose behalf the Occupiers claim to speak.

Born in 1994, these girls cannot possibly have any useful memory of political events prior to the Bush presidency. They were in first grade during the 2000 election and were 14 when Obama was elected. Therefore whatever “knowledge” they have of history is what they have been taught, and the content of that curriculum undoubtedly accounts for their sympathy with the Occupy movement

[Noisey OWS scene in which the girls appear:]
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    “We are a guerrilla organization. We are communist women and men . . . deeply affected by the historic events of our time in the struggle against U.S. imperialism.”
    – Bill Ayers, et. al., “Prairie Fire: The Politics of Revolutionary Anti-Imperialism,” manifesto of the Weather Underground, 1974
 
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In all the 2008 uproar about Ayers’s association with Barack Obama, few seemed to take alarm at the thought that, from 1987 onward, Ayers was a professor of education — a teacher of teachers — at the University of Illinois. Ayers’s acceptance within academia suggests that many other administrators and faculty were sympathetic to his radicalism. And if, for the past quarter-century, admirers of Marxist revolutionaries have been so influential in our nation’s most prestigious educational institutions, are we surprised to find 17-year-olds sympathizing with the Occupy mobs?

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Re: History, Indoctrination and Today
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2011, 04:55:14 AM »
That's very much like the network "journalists" who , in such a knowingly smug manner , compare the OWSers to the peace movement of the late 1960s ... a time and movement which they could hardly understand considering the fact that they weren't even born yet ! Frankly they make me want to puke ! So I think I will ... ::puke::

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Re: History, Indoctrination and Today
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2011, 11:13:14 AM »
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... I was impressed with commenter B.L. Beamer’s summary of the Marxist beliefs common to the Occupier mentality:

1. Social conflict is based on class conflict which is caused by ownership of private property. Therefore,
2. there is nothing reprehensible about an act of violence which abolishes or destroys private property since it will ultimately lead to more social unity.
3. Unity of the individual and society is the highest form of freedom, and those who fail to conform deserve — at the least — disdain. A good Marxist would say they deserve destruction.
4. Under capitalism, people have no control over the condition of their lives.
5. Socialism refutes or deposes objective economic laws.

6. All economic failure can only, ultimately, be an effect of the resistance of the possessing class (the 1%) to social unity.

Indeed, this contemptuous attitude toward the wealthy, and the belief that “the System” (i.e., capitalism) is the source of all social ills, is now so pervasive on the Left that many people take it for granted.

Hence the constant clamoring for more taxes and more "regulations"; without reining in the capitalists, who will poison the air and water, cheat all workers out of their hard-earned slave-wages both here and overseas, while living high on the hog, things will remain fundamentally "unfair".
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Re: History, Indoctrination and Today
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2011, 11:58:56 AM »
Great piece, although he may be over-thinking it a bit.

"We're the 99%" is the catchphrase of the OWS agitators. It is also the very essence of the entitlement class. Staking out this foolish notion that they represent the vast majority of Americans and shouting it from the rooftops (or the Øbamaville ghettos they've created in our city parks) does not make it so. These morons are clearly the fringe of society, not the mainstream. Deliberately so.

Whatever happened to "Question Authority" and "Never trust anyone under 30"? I guess it's OK to do so - but only after the welfare check has cleared. I remember being exposed to communists and John Birchers, and "Jesus Freaks" cultists, and just about every other variation of weirdo when I was in school. One of my teachers was a communist. Somehow I managed to get to the other side with my sensibilities tattered but not torn. Why is it that these kids are so gullible?

The OWS protests are nothing more than an over-sized temper tantrum. Pretending like they hold any sane solutions when all they have to offer is more of what got us into this mess in the first place isn't a winning strategy either. I understand dissatisfaction and disgruntlement - heck I have plenty of my own - but the OWS is nothing more than a very public display of juvenile behavior and self indulgence.

No wonder 14 yo girls self-identify.  ::)

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« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2011, 12:12:53 PM »
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Somehow I managed to get to the other side with my sensibilities tattered but not torn. Why is it that these kids are so gullible?

Parents.
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Re: History, Indoctrination and Today
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2011, 08:45:48 AM »
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Somehow I managed to get to the other side with my sensibilities tattered but not torn. Why is it that these kids are so gullible?

Parents.

That's right.

They're not teaching their kids anything.

The parents worship at the alter of public school rather than monitor what the kids learn.  I fear these parents have been conditioned to accept whatever they're told by the schools.  I assume parents on this forum are more savvy than that but I talk to so many parents who say to me "but at our school the kids have to..." as if  because  the parents have no authority at all.  That level of conditioning scares me because it doesn't bode well for any effort to fight for liberty.



In my family we used to come home and show our parents the text we were given and we would have a fun discussion about the contents.  This happened more as we got older certainly by the time we were 14.  A friend of mine just told me about a school that doesn't use any text books.  It's all powerpoint.  Nice.  My first thought was the parents can't review content.
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Re: History, Indoctrination and Today
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2011, 10:27:42 AM »

The video, "$14k a year private school girls protest", the genesis of this thread
and the exposition of the video and it's owner are now are now being threatened
by Google.  They are questioning "privacy issues" and have given 48 hr. notice.

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"...this kind of move from Google, YouTube, et al., perfectly encapsulates how media is able to manipulate messaging in this country ...
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And now, YouTube has given me 48 hours to address vague privacy concerns — in a video taken when Occupy Denver protesters crashed a private event and were filmed (by me and others) doing so. ...
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Funny how the search for Truth is so conveniently dismissed as banal tripe when the Truth just so happens to paint the self-described truth seekers as the little wannabe-tyrants that they so willingly and publicly presented themselves to be.
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$14k a year private school girls protest against "the rich"
"The information reported as violating privacy is at 0_48-2_04"

Wonder how well the right would do in a lawful environment?
Oh, I misspoke. If we had a lawful environment there would
be no right wing nuts.

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Re: History, Indoctrination and Today
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2011, 11:06:38 AM »
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That they were filmed doing so, and in an “interview” with me claimed that they were “the 99%” and that they “were being taught in school” that people like me are “f**king up their future” ...

How old are these girls; 14?  17?  Using that language, not only out in public, but knowing they're being filmed?

They worry me greatly, the young and indoctrinated.

It's not the poor underclass that ever started a revolution; it was always people like them -- the entitlement-minded, trust-fund babies.
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Re: History, Indoctrination and Today
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2011, 11:17:42 AM »
Just go to your nearest mega-mall Pan, they're everwhere, and they swear more than sailors (and I outta know about the latter)!
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Re: History, Indoctrination and Today
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2011, 11:30:24 AM »
Lacking in a sound argument I've noticed more and more people resorting to swearing to emphasize the importance of their belief.
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Re: History, Indoctrination and Today
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2011, 12:06:45 PM »
Swearing can be used to shock ones awareness and should be used sparingly otherwise the effect is lost, with nothing else to back it up it just reveals a shallow mind, a person who can only ape an intelligence they do not possess and are likely never to obtain.
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