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Are Independents Spineless Douche-Bags?
« on: December 05, 2011, 05:14:04 PM »
So the FoxNews channel goes on and on and on about going to the 'center' so that you can get the Independents.

The big Law of Nature/Politics seems to be that you go far left... or far right... to get your Base.  Then you go back to the center to get those all-important Independents.

Am I the only one scratching my head in bafflement (if that's a word).

The GOP candidate goes far to the right.... they get about 1/3 the way towards me.. then they go to the center.  They never even got far enough to the right to convince me they weren't just pandering to me (John -The Douche-Bag- McCain) before they quickly rush back to their Socialist friends.

Is anyone else of the mindset that the Independents are those people that left the GOP because they were so disgusted with how liberal the GOP has become (I'm in this camp).

Anyone?

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Re: Are Independents Spineless Douche-Bags?
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2011, 06:19:51 PM »
I find it disturbing. I also don't appreciate the connatation that somehow being labeled "far right" is a negative.....Just who is "far right"? Believes in Constitition? God? Life, liberty and the persuit of happiness? Smaller govt? Less taxation? Independence? Less govt control?

What must I give up to be considered "in the middle"?
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Re: Are Independents Spineless Douche-Bags?
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2011, 06:21:56 PM »
I'm not a registered dhimm or pubby. But I'm damn sure conservative in my views and my beliefs. I don't waddle the "Middle of the Road".
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Re: Are Independents Spineless Douche-Bags?
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2011, 07:03:27 PM »
I find it disturbing. I also don't appreciate the connatation that somehow being labeled "far right" is a negative.....Just who is "far right"? Believes in Constitition? God? Life, liberty and the persuit of happiness? Smaller govt? Less taxation? Independence? Less govt control?

What must I give up to be considered "in the middle"?

Your principles.  And your unwillingness to "compromise" on them.

Small thing, really ...........

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Re: Are Independents Spineless Douche-Bags?
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2011, 07:46:47 PM »
We are now where The Founders were when they faced despotism.

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Re: Are Independents Spineless Douche-Bags?
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2011, 04:43:26 AM »
The vaunted "moderates" are people who live without principle. They might like to couch it in terms like pragmatism or Realpolitik to give their rudderless nature a sense of, somehow, intellectual superiority. The Republican establishment is almost entirely this sort. To them political victory is its own reward, rather than the things you can accomplish with that political victory. That's why they're quite happy to line up behind people like Mike Castle and the Maine Sisters, people who might as well be Democrats. It's all a grand parlor game to them, in which they take turns with the Democrats at playing the role of the Dealer.

I have long doubted the barely-questioned wisdom that these "moderates" and centrist squishes are the kingmakers that we're told they are. Rather than pandering to them (hint: you cannot pander to something that has no core positions) we should have a clear, direct articulation of the things we believe, that is, the core positions that we very much do possess. The goal should be to smack these "moderates" about the head with a considered explanation of belief, maybe even give some of them a fleeting sense of shame about their own tentativeness, and drag them over to our side at least in presidential elections. I very much doubt the wisdom that says any signs of genuine conservatism and the middle will all be spooked over into the waiting arms of the hardcore Left that has been so busily upending our civilization. And if that is the case, so what? We're having this damn showdown one way or another anyhow, might as well try it at the voting booth.
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Re: Are Independents Spineless Douche-Bags?
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2011, 09:13:54 AM »
As usual, the establishment gets it wrong in those terms. The independents always has a choice as they do in the upcoming elections. They can vote to continue down the road of destruction, morally and financially or they can vote to change it back to where it belongs, conservatism, constitutionalism. Indies can ask themselves if they are better off under the current progressive regime or would they be better off under a group that espouses the principles of the constitution? It really is their choice and they're in the minority so why in creation should we be asked to slide to the middle of the road to get creamed by the oncoming traffic.

What we have is a two lane blacktop parted by a pair of solid yellow lines. Each lane is populated entirely by either conservatives or progressives. The double yellow lines are in fact independents that go both ways. The yellow lines go both directions and are indecisive as to how or which way they should go so they go both and neither ways. In this sense they can't understand which is better for themselves, their families, their country but it is up to them to do the research.

The progressives hide most of their agenda at or near the shoulder to shield the Independents from the nasty bumps in the lane. The conservatives want it in clear view for all to see what their aiming for so all can make their decision based on what they can see clearly as factual. The conservative lane is paved and well maintained as it should be. The Progressive lane is rough because they spend their money on other items that have little to do with the maintenance of the lane. Most of that money goes to enticing others to follow them towards progressive utopia but the bumps are almost intolerable so they get off occasionally and go the other direction until such times as they are once again wooed to switch their direction for a short period in time.

Just a thought.......... ::thinking::
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Re: Are Independents Spineless Douche-Bags?
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2011, 04:51:02 PM »
As usual, the establishment gets it wrong in those terms. The independents always has a choice as they do in the upcoming elections. They can vote to continue down the road of destruction, morally and financially or they can vote to change it back to where it belongs, conservatism, constitutionalism. Indies can ask themselves if they are better off under the current progressive regime or would they be better off under a group that espouses the principles of the constitution? It really is their choice and they're in the minority so why in creation should we be asked to slide to the middle of the road to get creamed by the oncoming traffic.

What we have is a two lane blacktop parted by a pair of solid yellow lines. Each lane is populated entirely by either conservatives or progressives. The double yellow lines are in fact independents that go both ways. The yellow lines go both directions and are indecisive as to how or which way they should go so they go both and neither ways. In this sense they can't understand which is better for themselves, their families, their country but it is up to them to do the research.

The progressives hide most of their agenda at or near the shoulder to shield the Independents from the nasty bumps in the lane. The conservatives want it in clear view for all to see what their aiming for so all can make their decision based on what they can see clearly as factual. The conservative lane is paved and well maintained as it should be. The Progressive lane is rough because they spend their money on other items that have little to do with the maintenance of the lane. Most of that money goes to enticing others to follow them towards progressive utopia but the bumps are almost intolerable so they get off occasionally and go the other direction until such times as they are once again wooed to switch their direction for a short period in time.

Just a thought.......... ::thinking::

Well warpmine I think you might be on to something there. Most Indies I know just don't want to be bothered by the day to day BS. They just want go about their daily lives and let the Government worry about the "Big $hit". But now...........it is F'n broke and broken. IDK but I hope everybody wakes up in time. ::beertoast::
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Re: Are Independents Spineless Douche-Bags?
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2011, 05:49:49 PM »
As usual, the establishment gets it wrong in those terms. The independents always has a choice as they do in the upcoming elections. They can vote to continue down the road of destruction, morally and financially or they can vote to change it back to where it belongs, conservatism, constitutionalism. Indies can ask themselves if they are better off under the current progressive regime or would they be better off under a group that espouses the principles of the constitution? It really is their choice and they're in the minority so why in creation should we be asked to slide to the middle of the road to get creamed by the oncoming traffic.

Indies will do what they've always done. Vote for a friggin RINO (because they're brainwashed by too much MSM) and just slow down the process. They don't care to stop or reverse things. ::doublebird::
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Re: Are Independents Spineless Douche-Bags?
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2011, 07:17:20 AM »
Independent does not mean Moderate.

I am Independent, as in I don't identify with the Republican Party.  I sure as hell am not Moderate as I have yes or no answers to any view put to me.

Independents are independents.  Moderates are wishy washy.

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Re: Are Independents Spineless Douche-Bags?
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2011, 07:32:15 AM »
But the MFM uses the former to hide the latter...they do it all...the...time!

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Re: Are Independents Spineless Douche-Bags?
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2011, 09:51:41 AM »
But the MFM uses the former to hide the latter...they do it all...the...time!

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Yes, they do.  I'm on the same page as MNHawk; registered Unaffiliated (NC's version of Independent) and don't EVEN think of calling me a "moderate".  The Media Party likes to "hide" us in with the "moderates" because they don't want to admit how many of us are too "extreme" for those stinkin' "extremist Republicans".

I've written it before - the "moderates" believe there's virtue in choosing this and that from column A, and these and those from column B.  They have no guiding principles; it's whatever "makes sense" or makes them feel good about themselves.  A good many of the ones with whom I've had contact firmly believe the Constitution was written for "another time" and some of its provisions should no longer apply for that reason.  Using logic on them upsets them terribly and makes them defensive; some get mad at this point, some laugh, deprecatingly, at themselves with "yeah, I know I'm weird".  Weird.  That's how they weasel out of consistency.
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Re: Are Independents Spineless Douche-Bags?
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2011, 11:31:02 AM »
But the MFM uses the former to hide the latter...they do it all...the...time!

 ::gaah::

Yes, they do.  I'm on the same page as MNHawk; registered Unaffiliated (NC's version of Independent) and don't EVEN think of calling me a "moderate".  The Media Party likes to "hide" us in with the "moderates" because they don't want to admit how many of us are too "extreme" for those stinkin' "extremist Republicans".

I've written it before - the "moderates" believe there's virtue in choosing this and that from column A, and these and those from column B.   They have no guiding principles; it's whatever "makes sense" or makes them feel good about themselves.  A good many of the ones with whom I've had contact firmly believe the Constitution was written for "another time" and some of its provisions should no longer apply for that reason.  Using logic on them upsets them terribly and makes them defensive; some get mad at this point, some laugh, deprecatingly, at themselves with "yeah, I know I'm weird".  Weird.  That's how they weasel out of consistency.

Also sounds like some "Cafeteria Catholics" I know.

It is frustrating.

I haven't officially changed my registration yet, out of indifference more than anything...if I change to Independent, they'll make me choose come caucus time, but whoop-di-doo, I think I'm ready to make the change...not that the state GOP will notice anything, morons that they are...but if they ask I'll definitely tell them why!
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