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Re: It's Official: Glenn Beck Jet Skis Over Shark Tank
« Reply #60 on: December 14, 2011, 11:31:23 AM »
Pan, that was a very good summary of where I'm at with Beck, too.

I'd like to think that his non-violence leads only up until it gets started.
That way, they have nothing to justify the inrvitable iron fist that's coming.

By not starting anything, many more may be awakened to what is really going on

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Re: It's Official: Glenn Beck Jet Skis Over Shark Tank
« Reply #61 on: December 14, 2011, 11:38:24 AM »
The non-violent thingy is my biggest beef with him, but how much of that is genuine and how much is not wanting to get pulled off the air....I dunno, seems more of the former than the latter...the King issue Pan raises being exhibit "A" of that.

King was a socialist, how he can rail against Wilson and FDR et al and lose sight of King...???
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Re: It's Official: Glenn Beck Jet Skis Over Shark Tank
« Reply #62 on: December 14, 2011, 11:43:13 AM »
I tend to agree with Beck on the violence thing. Unless politically or culturally motivated incidents of violence are clearly seen by all Americans as having come from the Left or from the government, any violence will be used to blame conservatives and put the hammer down.

I don't think Beck is suggesting people allow themselves to be slaughtered. I think he is saying that if it's gonna go hot, it has to be with the opposition clearly seen as having taken the first shot. I may be wrong - I don't catch him all that often. But from what I've heard, that's what I've taken away.
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Re: It's Official: Glenn Beck Jet Skis Over Shark Tank
« Reply #63 on: December 14, 2011, 11:47:33 AM »
I don't have an argument with that concept IDP (I've argued it in the context of a civil war, let them make the first overt move so as to be able to claim the high moral ground) but at times it appears Beck thinks only peaceful non-violent opposition is the answer, I've heard nothing clearly stated by him that once the crap hits the fan it is now OK to embrace the violent overthrow of these statists.

How can you overthrow statists without bloodshed?  I've never seen that...
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Re: It's Official: Glenn Beck Jet Skis Over Shark Tank
« Reply #64 on: December 14, 2011, 11:52:58 AM »
I don't have an argument with that concept IDP (I've argued it in the context of a civil war, let them make the first overt move so as to be able to claim the high moral ground) but at times it appears Beck thinks only peaceful non-violent opposition is the answer, I've heard nothing clearly stated by him that once the crap hits the fan it is now OK to embrace the violent overthrow of these statists.

How can you overthrow statists without bloodshed?  I've never seen that...

I think he understands that he absolutely cannot be seen as an instigator of violence and still have a career. Nor do I think he wants it on his conscience. There ARE nutjobs out there who could do immense harm to any hope of national restoration with one ill-conceived act of violence with which the opposition could use to justify almost anything. I think he senses that, and wants to make doubly sure that if some such act of violence occurs, that he can not be held accountable in any way for instigating it.
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Re: It's Official: Glenn Beck Jet Skis Over Shark Tank
« Reply #65 on: December 14, 2011, 12:19:08 PM »
I don't have an argument with that concept IDP (I've argued it in the context of a civil war, let them make the first overt move so as to be able to claim the high moral ground) but at times it appears Beck thinks only peaceful non-violent opposition is the answer, I've heard nothing clearly stated by him that once the crap hits the fan it is now OK to embrace the violent overthrow of these statists.

How can you overthrow statists without bloodshed?  I've never seen that...


 Beck know what the reality is but he doesn't want to become an add campaign for Bambi.I would bet that him being a prepper includes weapons out the ying yang.
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Re: It's Official: Glenn Beck Jet Skis Over Shark Tank
« Reply #66 on: December 14, 2011, 12:34:42 PM »
I don't have an argument with that concept IDP (I've argued it in the context of a civil war, let them make the first overt move so as to be able to claim the high moral ground) but at times it appears Beck thinks only peaceful non-violent opposition is the answer, I've heard nothing clearly stated by him that once the crap hits the fan it is now OK to embrace the violent overthrow of these statists.

How can you overthrow statists without bloodshed?  I've never seen that...

That's exactly my point.  It's a far cry from advocating violence to defending against it to holding up Gandhi/King as the example to follow.  I can understand Beck's not wanting to be held accountable as instigator -- more, he doesn't want to BE an instigator.  So far, so good.

But peaceful prayer rallies aren't going to get these people off our backs and I seriously doubt an election will either.  Who, on the roster right now, looks likely to be in favor of our liberation?  A leader will emerge?  Okay.  I guess.

Furthermore, I wonder, really I do, what the response will/ought to be to another Ruby Ridge/Waco.  Isolated instances which cannot be allowed to escalate into action from the people?  Or no RR/W type action at all, just the constant pushpokepushpoke as more laws and regulations are passed, people are "peacefully" arrested and prosecuted for dealing in raw milk?  Congress just passed a very ambiguous piece of legislation that suspends Habeas Corpus, so ambiguous that the if and when was punted before the fact to the Courts to decide; SWAT cops are killing us, mistakenly or otherwise, and nothing is done to them; the decent military members are being attrited out of our armed forces which bodes very badly FOR US, and we're being robbed blind right into the next generation, but, okay, let's be vewy, vewy careful not to bring on the Iron Fist because Beck is going to lead us in praying our way out of this.
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Re: It's Official: Glenn Beck Jet Skis Over Shark Tank
« Reply #67 on: December 14, 2011, 12:35:27 PM »
I don't have an argument with that concept IDP (I've argued it in the context of a civil war, let them make the first overt move so as to be able to claim the high moral ground) but at times it appears Beck thinks only peaceful non-violent opposition is the answer, I've heard nothing clearly stated by him that once the crap hits the fan it is now OK to embrace the violent overthrow of these statists.

How can you overthrow statists without bloodshed?  I've never seen that...


 Beck know what the reality is but he doesn't want to become an add campaign for Bambi.I would bet that him being a prepper includes weapons out the ying yang.

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Re: It's Official: Glenn Beck Jet Skis Over Shark Tank
« Reply #68 on: December 14, 2011, 12:56:05 PM »
I don't have an argument with that concept IDP (I've argued it in the context of a civil war, let them make the first overt move so as to be able to claim the high moral ground) but at times it appears Beck thinks only peaceful non-violent opposition is the answer, I've heard nothing clearly stated by him that once the crap hits the fan it is now OK to embrace the violent overthrow of these statists.

How can you overthrow statists without bloodshed?  I've never seen that...


 Beck know what the reality is but he doesn't want to become an add campaign for Bambi.I would bet that him being a prepper includes weapons out the ying yang.

Well he is planning on giving Guns and Bibles this year for Christmas.

  Can he be any more clear then?
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Re: It's Official: Glenn Beck Jet Skis Over Shark Tank
« Reply #69 on: December 14, 2011, 02:04:13 PM »
I don't have an argument with that concept IDP (I've argued it in the context of a civil war, let them make the first overt move so as to be able to claim the high moral ground) but at times it appears Beck thinks only peaceful nonviolent opposition is the answer, I've heard nothing clearly stated by him that once the crap hits the fan it is now OK to embrace the violent overthrow of these statists.

How can you overthrow statists without bloodshed?  I've never seen that...

That's exactly my point.  It's a far cry from advocating violence to defending against it to holding up Gandhi/King as the example to follow.  I can understand Beck's not wanting to be held accountable as instigator -- more, he doesn't want to BE an instigator.  So far, so good.

But peaceful prayer rallies aren't going to get these people off our backs and I seriously doubt an election will either.  Who, on the roster right now, looks likely to be in favor of our liberation?  A leader will emerge?  Okay.  I guess.

Furthermore, I wonder, really I do, what the response will/ought to be to another Ruby Ridge/Waco.  Isolated instances which cannot be allowed to escalate into action from the people?  Or no RR/W type action at all, just the constant pushpokepushpoke as more laws and regulations are passed, people are "peacefully" arrested and prosecuted for dealing in raw milk?  Congress just passed a very ambiguous piece of legislation that suspends Habeas Corpus, so ambiguous that the if and when was punted before the fact to the Courts to decide; SWAT cops are killing us, mistakenly or otherwise, and nothing is done to them; the decent military members are being attrited out of our armed forces which bodes very badly FOR US, and we're being robbed blind right into the next generation, but, okay, let's be vewy, vewy careful not to bring on the Iron Fist because Beck is going to lead us in praying our way out of this.

Agreed.  I also see a distinction between promoting instigation and responding to overt attempts by an increasingly unconstitutional federal government trampling all our rights and liberties away and only offering peaceful nonviolent opposition to it.  I think some of this stems from the fact that we are struggling right now to determine what the "last straw" is...is there going to be one act that if it happens the flare goes up and its full blown civil war?  I have no issue with Beck wanting to hold peaceful rallies and offering up prayers, but it is disingenuous and negligent to not also prepare people for action and let people know action can be proper and necessary.  It is this latter part that is being totally ignored, and by everyone, not just Beck.

So let us agree to define the boundary of the Rubicon!
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Re: It's Official: Glenn Beck Jet Skis Over Shark Tank
« Reply #70 on: December 14, 2011, 04:58:08 PM »
I don't have an argument with that concept IDP (I've argued it in the context of a civil war, let them make the first overt move so as to be able to claim the high moral ground) but at times it appears Beck thinks only peaceful nonviolent opposition is the answer, I've heard nothing clearly stated by him that once the crap hits the fan it is now OK to embrace the violent overthrow of these statists.

How can you overthrow statists without bloodshed?  I've never seen that...

That's exactly my point.  It's a far cry from advocating violence to defending against it to holding up Gandhi/King as the example to follow.  I can understand Beck's not wanting to be held accountable as instigator -- more, he doesn't want to BE an instigator.  So far, so good.

But peaceful prayer rallies aren't going to get these people off our backs and I seriously doubt an election will either.  Who, on the roster right now, looks likely to be in favor of our liberation?  A leader will emerge?  Okay.  I guess.

Furthermore, I wonder, really I do, what the response will/ought to be to another Ruby Ridge/Waco.  Isolated instances which cannot be allowed to escalate into action from the people?  Or no RR/W type action at all, just the constant pushpokepushpoke as more laws and regulations are passed, people are "peacefully" arrested and prosecuted for dealing in raw milk?  Congress just passed a very ambiguous piece of legislation that suspends Habeas Corpus, so ambiguous that the if and when was punted before the fact to the Courts to decide; SWAT cops are killing us, mistakenly or otherwise, and nothing is done to them; the decent military members are being attrited out of our armed forces which bodes very badly FOR US, and we're being robbed blind right into the next generation, but, okay, let's be vewy, vewy careful not to bring on the Iron Fist because Beck is going to lead us in praying our way out of this.

Agreed.  I also see a distinction between promoting instigation and responding to overt attempts by an increasingly unconstitutional federal government trampling all our rights and liberties away and only offering peaceful nonviolent opposition to it.  I think some of this stems from the fact that we are struggling right now to determine what the "last straw" is...is there going to be one act that if it happens the flare goes up and its full blown civil war?  I have no issue with Beck wanting to hold peaceful rallies and offering up prayers, but it is disingenuous and negligent to not also prepare people for action and let people know action can be proper and necessary.  It is this latter part that is being totally ignored, and by everyone, not just Beck.

So let us agree to define the boundary of the Rubicon!

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I have no issue with Beck wanting to hold peaceful rallies and offering up prayers, but it is disingenuous and negligent to not also prepare people for action

The problem I see with that if you "prepare people for action" you now become a militia and therefor an enemy of the current State.
IDK just my opinion.
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Re: It's Official: Glenn Beck Jet Skis Over Shark Tank
« Reply #71 on: December 14, 2011, 05:14:53 PM »
I'm glad you found your way here, DL, however it happened.

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Re: It's Official: Glenn Beck Jet Skis Over Shark Tank
« Reply #72 on: December 14, 2011, 05:38:16 PM »
I've watched a few of his recent gbtv shows, and he's suggesting people arm themselves for self defense. 
 
He's cooking up a new rally in Dallas this summer on the theme of Charity.  He's pushing the idea that when/if TSHTF, if private citizen groups/preppers can step in where the government fails than we can prove the value and importance of individual liberty and private charity, win hearts and minds towards the cause of freedom, and thus "take our country back" through charity/service.

It's a naive notion.  He also suggests that we should all start networking with our neighbors now so that when/if TSHTF we can assist each other, pool resources/expertise, etc. I can agree with that.   But Glenn doesn't overtly say we should be banding together with our like-minded neighbors.  When/if TSHTF I don't think we're going to all come together and sing Kumbayah.  I for one will not be feeling very charitable towards my liberal neighbors.

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Re: It's Official: Glenn Beck Jet Skis Over Shark Tank
« Reply #73 on: December 14, 2011, 05:46:27 PM »
What is the Rubicon threshold?  That's the $10K question.  My biggest fear is that if we reach a point where violence is justified, it will take the form of an insurgency, not a civil war per se.  I think the vast majority of people will refuse to participate.  We currently lead such comfortable, privileged lives, that denial will be the hardest thing to overcome.  It'll be a river 1000 miles wide.

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Re: It's Official: Glenn Beck Jet Skis Over Shark Tank
« Reply #74 on: December 14, 2011, 08:22:38 PM »
What is the Rubicon threshold?  That's the $10K question.  My biggest fear is that if we reach a point where violence is justified, it will take the form of an insurgency, not a civil war per se.  I think the vast majority of people will refuse to participate.  We currently lead such comfortable, privileged lives, that denial will be the hardest thing to overcome.  It'll be a river 1000 miles wide.
That's the biggest hurdle...will the most just sit it out as in the Revolution. Until the Brits made moves against those that would sit it out pushing them into the arms of the rebellion/revolt. I guess, I'll have to face it, nothing will change the minds of these "sit on your fat ass types" favoring action because life is too cushy. The US intervened in affairs in Portaprince many times but who's going to be out trustee and help us out?

Let it crash and burn and rebuild but that will let the criminals off the hook way to easy. ::dueling::
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Re: It's Official: Glenn Beck Jet Skis Over Shark Tank
« Reply #75 on: December 14, 2011, 09:21:19 PM »
I hate to sound overly naive but there are very few circumstances I can envision that would justify violence of any sort.

We campaign.

We vote.

We live with the outcome.

Four years later we do it all over again.

Elections (along with a great many other things) have consequences.

The other thing to consider is that, as powerful as the president is, he (or she) is only one third of the government. We still have the ability to elect conservatives to the House and Senate. The SCOTUS still votes the right way most of the time.

What I come back to in this discussion is my central point that any 3rd party run by someone right of center will almost certainly guarantee the re-election of the Dingus. And that will guarantee (barring an unfavorable SCOTUS decision) the full implementation of O'BamaCare. And whatever else his fertile imagination can dream up and implement through regulation or other means.

I think that a lot of people are under the impression that given the right candidate (a Reagan who does not currently exist) we will be able to turn things around almost instantaneously. That simply will not happen even if Reagan's biological clone emerged from a brokered convention. We did not get here in three years*. We got here in something like ninety years. It could take that long to return our country to the constitutional republic crafted by the founders. Politics, like sausage making, is something that is very hard to do without some nausea so buckle up.

What we need is a first step back toward the founding principles. Trying to get there in a single election cycle is short sighted, in my opinion. I think we have already taken the first step. I think that it took place in 2010** with the drubbing that the Republicans gave the Democrats. I think that we will take another step in the right direction next year. I look forward to more conservative Republicans in the House and Senate. I look forward to a Republican president (whomever he or she turns out to be) rubber stamping some serious walk backs on the O'Bama agenda. And yeah, a president can be made to follow Congress...if that weren't true we would have Supreme Court Justice Harriet Myers on the bench right now. It's actually somewhat of a miracle that (pre-Tea Party) this didn't happen.

Don't get me wrong...if I could flip a switch and fix everything right now I would. But that's unrealistic. It isn't going to happen.

We have an opportunity at the end of next year. And opportunity to take the White House away from the greatest threat to the country that it has ever seen: A full blown communist who won't hesitate to operate outside of the Constitution to further his agenda. You cannot tell me that any of the current candidates, regardless of their individual weaknesses, would not be a vast improvement on the aberration in chief.

But...

All that will be thrown away with any notion of a (center right) third party run by RP or anyone else. Seriously, that is the only scenario in which the Dingus ekes out a win. That cannot be allowed to happen. And anything that furthers that scenario should be resisted...not encouraged. That's why Beck pisses me off. He is throwing this idea a bone. That is defeatist and irresponsible.

I have said it before and I will say it yet again. I will vote for whoever wins the Republican nomination. Yes, even Ron Paul.

But violence? No. Not as long as the system still functions. I do not subscribe to Asimov's famous quote, "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." And I certainly don't believe that old liberal chestnut, "War never solved anything." That's moronic and is at odds with historical precedent. Pacifism is for losers. But violence should be reserved for extreme circumstances. And I truly do not think we are close to that point. I see it as one possibility among a myriad of others. I have no desire to rush to it.

For now I am content to allow the process to play itself out.

Oh, yeah, and, "Go Santorum!"

*Which, when you think about it, is as the founding fathers designed things. They knew that quick changes were unhealthy and the Constitution was written in such a way as to make a quick change difficult. They made amending the Constitution difficult. They made the Senate more difficult to flip than the House. So...we have a long and tough row to hoe. I recommend the long view.

**You could even make a reasonable argument that the first step took place in 1994 with the Republicans gaining a majority in the House for the first time in many decades. The "Contract With America" (authored in part by you know who) was fulfilled on schedule...not all passed but, as promised, all voted on. Now, as we all know, there were subsequently a step or two backward between 1996 and 2006 but on balance there was some progress made rolling back the liberal agenda. The very notion that the Democrats could be defeated and sent to the minority was revolutionary all by itself. Like the fall of the Soviet Union, no one thought it would ever happen. But it did. Small steps forward.
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Re: It's Official: Glenn Beck Jet Skis Over Shark Tank
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I for one will not be feeling very charitable towards my liberal neighbors.

And to speak to this point, everyone should steadfastly and deliberately not be charitable to any known leftists. Leftists will not only stare a gift horse in the mouth, they'll then raise a stink about the gifts until their precious state apparatus is brought in to tax the gift horse as punishment for how unfair it is that it has more than others.

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Re: It's Official: Glenn Beck Jet Skis Over Shark Tank
« Reply #77 on: December 14, 2011, 11:56:40 PM »
I hate to sound overly naive but there are very few circumstances I can envision that would justify violence of any sort.

We campaign.

We vote.

We live with the outcome.

Four years later we do it all over again.

Elections (along with a great many other things) have consequences.

The other thing to consider is that, as powerful as the president is, he (or she) is only one third of the government. We still have the ability to elect conservatives to the House and Senate. The SCOTUS still votes the right way most of the time.

What I come back to in this discussion is my central point that any 3rd party run by someone right of center will almost certainly guarantee the re-election of the Dingus. And that will guarantee (barring an unfavorable SCOTUS decision) the full implementation of O'BamaCare. And whatever else his fertile imagination can dream up and implement through regulation or other means.

I think that a lot of people are under the impression that given the right candidate (a Reagan who does not currently exist) we will be able to turn things around almost instantaneously. That simply will not happen even if Reagan's biological clone emerged from a brokered convention. We did not get here in three years. We got here in something like ninety years. It could take that long to return our country to the constitutional republic crafted by the founders. Politics, like sausage making, is something that is very hard to do without some nausea so buckle up.

What we need is a first step back toward the founding principles. Trying to get there in a single election cycle is short sighted, in my opinion. I think we have already taken the first step. I think that it took place in 2010* with the drubbing that the Republicans gave the Democrats. I think that we will take another step in the right direction next year. I look forward to more conservative Republicans in the House and Senate. I look forward to a Republican president (whomever he or she turns out to be) rubber stamping some serious walk backs on the O'Bama agenda. And yeah, a president can be made to follow Congress...if that weren't true we would have Supreme Court Justice Harriet Myers on the bench right now. It's actually somewhat of a miracle that (pre-Tea Party) this didn't happen.

Don't get me wrong...if I could flip a switch and fix everything right now I would. But that's unrealistic. It isn't going to happen.

We have an opportunity at the end of next year. And opportunity to take the White House away from the greatest threat to the country that it has ever seen: A full blown communist who won't hesitate to operate outside of the Constitution to further his agenda. You cannot tell me that any of the current candidates, regardless of their individual weaknesses, would not be a vast improvement on the aberration in chief.

But...

All that will be thrown away with any notion of a (center right) third party run by RP or anyone else. Seriously, that is the only scenario in which the Dingus ekes out a win. That cannot be allowed to happen. And anything that furthers that scenario should be resisted...not encouraged. That's why Beck pisses me off. He is throwing this idea a bone. That is defeatist and irresponsible.

I have said it before and I will say it yet again. I will vote for whoever wins the Republican nomination. Yes, even Ron Paul.

But violence? No. Not as long as the system still functions. I do not subscribe to Asimov's famous quote, "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." And I certainly don't believe that old liberal chestnut, "War never solved anything." That's moronic and is at odds with historical precedent. Pacifism is for losers. But violence should be reserved for extreme circumstances. And I truly do not think we are close to that point. I see it as one possibility among a myriad of others. I have no desire to rush to it.

For now I am content to allow the process to play itself out.

Oh, yeah, and, "Go Santorum!"

*You could even make a reasonable argument that the first step took place in 1994 with the Republicans gaining a majority in the House for the first time in many decades. The "Contract With America" (authored in part by you know who) was fulfilled on schedule...not all passed but, as promised, all voted on. Now, as we all know, there were subsequently a step or two backward between 1996 and 2006 but on balance there was some progress made rolling back the liberal agenda. The very notion that the Democrats could be defeated and sent to the minority was revolutionary all by itself. Like the fall of the Soviet Union, no one thought it would ever happen. But it did. Small steps forward.


I too will be voting for whoever emerges because Obama is a danger and I simply cannot go galt. It will be to each his own, but IMO, to simply not vote for a newt or a Romney because of a belief it only delays our enviable demise as a country is a premise I believe is flawed.

I thought the same with carter. How in the hell are we gonna come out of this? Then along came reagan and prosperity. Do I see a reagen in today's field? No........but I believe there are reagans out there and if I must live thru a newt, Romney to achieve the goal I will......but With each passing day of Obama, the road back becomes longer and more difficult....and another 4 years of the worst president in history, because Of a thought it would compromise a principle is something else I believe is a flawed premise.

I believe this is a center right country, with the minority getting all the press. It is why newt was successful with the contract with America, why ronald reagan won his 2nd term in a landslide, why on more then one occasion democrats have been sent out in droves from congress and the senate. I also see more dems up for re election in the next few years than repubs, so the opportunity exists to enact real change. Hopefully, it will occur with a more conservative president,,,,,, but if we cannot achieve that goal,it does not equate to the tide can't be turned back. It believe it will.
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Re: It's Official: Glenn Beck Jet Skis Over Shark Tank
« Reply #78 on: December 15, 2011, 07:17:03 AM »
I don't know how on the one hand we think we have 90 years to undo what the Left has done...when did FDR leave office, April 1945 feet first, right?  It's been 66 fricken years!  Have we gotten rid of any of the social crap he heaped on us?  No!  Wilson, his League of Nations (predecessor to the UN), the Fed, the FTC...has ANY of that crap gotten smaller or eliminated?  No!  That clown left office 90 fricken years ago!  

Now people can do what people want to do, but that road goes both ways you know?!  You can think we have 90 years to fix things, I don't don't, if we have a decade (even under a RINO POTUS) I'd be shocked.  You can think "holding the line" is a sound strategy, that a little more progressive creeping towards the end zone is better than giving up a touchdown, but I don't.  Surrendering to a little evil isn't better than surrendering to all evil.  I am hearing it will be my fault if Stymie gets re-elected because I refuse to cast a vote for Romney or gNewt.  OK, let's assume that dogma is 100% accurate.  You know what?  How does that advance your position to get me to support your fatally flawed candidate?  I'm not asking for Mr or Mrs Perfect, that is clearly not an option.  And I can flip the blame game around, and I think on a more solid foundation, by saying if you foist a fatally flawed candidate on people, it will be YOUR fault Stymie got re-elected.

I am sick and tired of being taken for a chump by the RNC, the state GOP party, every RINO candidate, the Machivellian operators like Karl "The Butthead" Rove, the media, pundits and the leftist pol's!!!  I can't do a damn thing about the last three, but the first four I will fight to my dying breath!

No more compromises!

That is my line in the sand.

Oh, and to drive my point home even more, the Rubicon could be here already...

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,4209.0.html

...this, courtesy of our enlightened leaders on the Hill!

Time, it is not on our side, and it appears it may have never been...

 ::gaah::
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Re: It's Official: Glenn Beck Jet Skis Over Shark Tank
« Reply #79 on: December 15, 2011, 08:05:18 AM »
  I am hearing it will be my fault if Stymie gets re-elected because I refuse to cast a vote for Romney or gNewt. 

Your fault? You, personally?

No. But I will fault a center right candidate who does run third party. I fault Perot for giving us Clinton. Twice. The stakes are just higher this time.
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