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Re: Breaking: Situation escalates in Wisconsin ....
« Reply #60 on: February 22, 2011, 09:08:28 PM »
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Re: Breaking: Situation escalates in Wisconsin ....
« Reply #61 on: February 22, 2011, 09:13:02 PM »
We're at a point in time where we need unwavering, decisive leadership. Reagan spoke of "bold colors" and that's exactly what we need. Mitch Daniels ain't it.

Plus, he screwed himself at CPAC when he made the whole "social conservatives need to STFU and stay in the shadows" speech. This is just another nail in the coffin.

That is why I am liking Allen West more everytime I see or hear him.

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Re: Breaking: Situation escalates in Wisconsin ....
« Reply #62 on: February 22, 2011, 09:13:52 PM »
Back on topic, latest out of Madison is Repub's holding paychecks hostage!  Heh!

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/116686109.html
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Re: Breaking: Situation escalates in Wisconsin ....
« Reply #63 on: February 22, 2011, 09:30:39 PM »
Hostage? f**k that...no work, no pay! Simple.
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Re: Breaking: Situation escalates in Wisconsin ....
« Reply #64 on: February 22, 2011, 09:32:18 PM »
I think some enterprising soul in WI should mount a "Snatch and Grab" mission and and bring one of the "Fleebaggers" back to Madison and dump them off with the Capitol Police. ;D

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Re: Breaking: Situation escalates in Wisconsin ....
« Reply #65 on: February 22, 2011, 09:33:14 PM »
How's this for civility?

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Hey I know the person who took the photo. She was also hit in the head with a teacher's sign after she took a picture of her. What a cow. Oops.... meant teacher's ..Ohhhh never mine. Another teacher accosted her 13 year old son by yelling f_ck you over and over in his face. Ohhhh the civilty.

Really nice.  An adult yelling obscenities in the face of a kid.  B-b-b-but they're just protesting for their rights!

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Re: Breaking: Situation escalates in Wisconsin ....
« Reply #66 on: February 22, 2011, 09:34:14 PM »
No...I thought it was for the children? Aren't these wonderful people all there for the sake of the children?
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Re: Breaking: Situation escalates in Wisconsin ....
« Reply #67 on: February 22, 2011, 09:45:41 PM »
The children are mere props, a means to an end.  It's all about the teachers and what they want demand!
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Re: Breaking: Situation escalates in Wisconsin ....
« Reply #68 on: February 22, 2011, 10:04:12 PM »
No...I thought it was for the children? Aren't these wonderful people all there for the sake of the children?

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Re: Breaking: Situation escalates in Wisconsin ....
« Reply #69 on: February 23, 2011, 01:41:53 AM »
I like the move that I read about this evening:  Changing the rules on legislator paychecks...that they may only be picked up in person.  I think that I saw it on HotAir and it was said that it was a good start.  I agree with that.  It is a good start.  They need to escalate the situation, though.

I would like to see the Republicans in WI announce that in 48 hours they were going to start increasing the amount of money that union members would have to pay into their own health care and retirement.  I would say that an increase of 1% per day that the Democrats stayed out of state and off the job would be about right.  These people need to be punished and, conversely, the tax-paying public of WI needs to be rewarded for having to endure this ridiculous spectacle.

I know.  It will never happen.  Republicans just don't have the go-for-the-throat instincts necessary for such hardball tactics.  And they probably never will.  But, making the creeps show up to get paid is a good first step and, honestly, probably more than we could have ever expected out of them.  So we'll take it.

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Re: Breaking: Situation escalates in Wisconsin ....
« Reply #70 on: February 23, 2011, 07:32:17 AM »
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Re: Breaking: Situation escalates in Wisconsin ....
« Reply #71 on: February 23, 2011, 08:15:58 AM »
I like the move that I read about this evening:  Changing the rules on legislator paychecks...that they may only be picked up in person.  I think that I saw it on HotAir and it was said that it was a good start.  I agree with that.  It is a good start.  They need to escalate the situation, though.

I would like to see the Republicans in WI announce that in 48 hours they were going to start increasing the amount of money that union members would have to pay into their own health care and retirement.  I would say that an increase of 1% per day that the Democrats stayed out of state and off the job would be about right.  These people need to be punished and, conversely, the tax-paying public of WI needs to be rewarded for having to endure this ridiculous spectacle.

I know.  It will never happen.  Republicans just don't have the go-for-the-throat instincts necessary for such hardball tactics.  And they probably never will.  But, making the creeps show up to get paid is a good first step and, honestly, probably more than we could have ever expected out of them.  So we'll take it.


One thing I know is that the longer this drags out without a definitive game-stopper by the Wisconsin GOP the more opportunity the Leftists have to demagogue, the more opportunity the media has to spin the story against Walker & the Pubbies, and the more likely it is that some of those GOP Senators will feel the heat and think about caving.

The paycheck thing is a great idea. But it's not enough, and really, the only reason they need the Dems for the collective bargaining reorganization is because it's a budget item. Technically they could separate out the collective bargaining aspect and pass it, but rhetorically they can't because that would undercut the stated reasons (budgetary) for the legislation in the first place. So what to do?

Must issue concealed carry.
Voter ID.

Any other non-budgetary item that the Wisconsin GOP can use to drive the Leftists crazy and bring those totalitarian a-holes back to the table so they can get this public union-busting legislation passed into law and out of the media.

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Re: Breaking: Situation escalates in Wisconsin ....
« Reply #72 on: February 23, 2011, 08:25:04 AM »
Chuck Colson has a great entry on this morning's "Breakpoint" ( http://www.breakpoint.org/bp-home ):

Which Ocracy Do You Prefer? - Democracy and Mob-ocracy- it's a 3 minute pod-cast worth listening to.

Here it is, as text:

Athens is rightly called the birthplace of democracy. But the ancient Athenians would be horrified by the angry mobs we’re seeing every night on our TV screens.

Mind you, I’m not talking about angry mobs in Cairo or Libya, but  the mob gathered in Madison, the state capital of Wisconsin, and now gathering in other Midwestern states: State workers occupying public property, blocking the legislature from doing its business. These workers, sworn to uphold the state constitution and serve the public are walking off their jobs.

Why the uproar? In the face of a growing state budget deficit, Wisconsin’s Governor Walker started off by proposing legislation that would force state employees to contribute 5.8% of their income towards their pensions and 12.6% towards health insurance. But as John Fund writes in the Wall Street Journal, Wisconsin employees would be making payments that are “roughly the national average for public pension payments, and . . . less than half the national average of what government workers contribute to health care.”

What I find particularly galling is that the protestors occupying the state house are claiming the mantle of democracy; that they are protecting the “democratic process.”

Not so. They are destroying the democratic process; impeding state legislators, elected by the people, from doing their jobs.

No, what’s happening in Madison and elsewhere, you see, is mob-ocracy. And it’s spreading! Now Democratic senators in Indiana have abandoned their post, fleeing the state to shut down a vote involving unions there. And in Ohio, union protesters are trying to flood the state house as legislators consider a bill that would limit collective bargaining for state employees.

Mob-ocracy was what the ancient Athenians sought to avoid, in part because they knew that if the mob really had control of the government’s purse strings, government would collapse.

Sound at all familiar? States are trying to cut budgets to avoid bankruptcy, and the public sector unions have unleashed the mobs. The Athenians believed in direct democracy (that is each Citizen may vote directly concerning the laws of the city). But they restricted citizenship. Probably only ten percent of the Athenians could vote!

Our founding fathers were also wary of mob-ocracy. But they also believed in the consent of the governed and that all men are created equal. So, taking their clue from the likes of the Roman republic, Enlightenment scholar John Locke, and Protestant Reformers like Calvin who favored a republic, they created a representative democracy, where the citizens vote for their representatives and the states appoint senators as a check on the passions of the majority.

By 1913 the Constitution was amended. State legislatures would no longer appoint Senators. The Senate, like the House, would now be directly elected by popular vote. One wonders whether America’s political fortunes have been the same since the 17th Amendment.

Now let’s be clear. What’s happening in these Midwestern states is not democracy. But it will be a critical test for democracy—whether our system can survive.  Stand firm, Governors. Protect the rule of law.

For if the mob can overrule public officials who are seeking to save their state from insolvency, then America is no longer governable, and the fears of the ancient Athenians and the Founders will have been realized.

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Re: Breaking: Situation escalates in Wisconsin ....
« Reply #73 on: February 23, 2011, 08:28:19 AM »
http://nhjournal.com/2011/02/23/dem-rep-to-unions-time-to-get-%e2%80%98bloody%e2%80%99/

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A Democratic Congressman from Massachusetts is raising the stakes in the nation’s fight over the future of public employee unions, saying emails aren’t enough to show support and that it is time to “get a little bloody.”

So much for 'civility' from the demos.

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Re: Breaking: Situation escalates in Wisconsin ....
« Reply #74 on: February 23, 2011, 08:29:32 AM »
My wonderful wife is a child psychologist/special education teacher. The other night I heard her crying, heard her get up. When I went to see what was wrong she told me how upset she was with the teachers in Wisconsin (even though she doesn't teach there)........... on how and what they are doing is hurting the kids.

My wife teaches some of the most troubled, disturbed and messed up kids you could imagine. Her kids are from the inner cities and most are fetal alcohol, crack and/or cocaine affected. She is one of the most sought after teachers for kids with special needs. The parents love her and she is greatly respected by other teachers. I can also say she just loves these kids and is dong God's work in loving,teaching and nurturing them as many even their parents don't or won't. I know I sound as I am bragging but I am not. Her day can be hell, and many times she comes home exhausted and completely spent.  I joke with her; as she leaves for work looking like a model and comes home looking like a crack addict.

She is 110% behind Governor Walker and his reforms. She is a born again Christian believer who believes teaching these kids is God's will for her life. She too is a passionate, patriotic and proud conservative and thinks her union and many of the members of the NEA are selfish and care more about themselves than the children. I know all you know this……………………………… but I want to empathize that not all teachers are pooh stains like those protesting in Wisconsin.    
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Re: Breaking: Situation escalates in Wisconsin ....
« Reply #75 on: February 23, 2011, 08:33:08 AM »
My wonderful wife is a child psychologist/special education teacher. The other night I heard her crying, heard her get up. When I went to see what was wrong she told me how upset she was with the teachers in Wisconsin........... on how and what they are doing is hurting the kids.

My wife teaches some of the most troubled, disturbed and messed up kids you could imagine. Her kids are from the inner cities and most are fetal alcohol, crack and/or cocaine affected. She is one of the most sought after teachers for kids with special needs. The parents love her and she is greatly respected by other teachers. I can also say she just loves these kids and is dong God's work in loving,teaching and nurturing them as many even their parents don't or won't. I know I sound as I am bragging but I am not. Her day can be hell, and many times she comes home exhausted and completely spent.  I joke with her; as she leaves for work looking like a model and comes home looking like a crack addict.

She is 110% behind Governor Walker and his reforms. She is a born again Christian believer who believes teaching these kids is God's will for her life. She too is a passionate, patriotic and proud conservative and thinks her union and many of the members of the NEA are selfish and care more about themselves than the children. I know all you know this……………………………… but I want to empathize that not all teachers are pooh stains like those protesting in Wisconsin.
   


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Re: Breaking: Situation escalates in Wisconsin ....
« Reply #76 on: February 23, 2011, 08:52:03 AM »
That's right Magnum. It's not all or even most teachers. It's the union, and its utterly corrupting influence and incestuous relationship with the Democrat party.

The unfortunate part is that that corruption IS the dominant culture and "face" of that profession, regardless of whether a given individual teacher agrees with that culture or not. Your wonderful wife and all the other good and decent people who choose to teach our youth are choosing to put their love of teaching above their disgust for the prevalent culture that permeates the profession.
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Re: Breaking: Situation escalates in Wisconsin ....
« Reply #77 on: February 23, 2011, 08:56:43 AM »
Good post Pablo, Colson is correct in his history.

And if that idiot union thug in Radioman's post is truly serious, then we have a bigger problem, otherwise he should STFU and STFD!

And yes, as is typical, the vocal minority-the more rabid members of the union, the union leaders and their whores in the DemonRat party are driving all the hate, vitriol and violence...not all union members are happy about their forced participation.  That extortion must end.  So God Bless your wife Magnum, lets hope a better way lies ahead.
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Re: Breaking: Situation escalates in Wisconsin ....
« Reply #78 on: February 23, 2011, 10:06:08 AM »
My wonderful wife is a child psychologist/special education teacher. The other night I heard her crying, heard her get up. When I went to see what was wrong she told me how upset she was with the teachers in Wisconsin (even though she doesn't teach there)........... on how and what they are doing is hurting the kids.

My wife teaches some of the most troubled, disturbed and messed up kids you could imagine. Her kids are from the inner cities and most are fetal alcohol, crack and/or cocaine affected. She is one of the most sought after teachers for kids with special needs. The parents love her and she is greatly respected by other teachers. I can also say she just loves these kids and is dong God's work in loving,teaching and nurturing them as many even their parents don't or won't. I know I sound as I am bragging but I am not. Her day can be hell, and many times she comes home exhausted and completely spent.  I joke with her; as she leaves for work looking like a model and comes home looking like a crack addict.

She is 110% behind Governor Walker and his reforms. She is a born again Christian believer who believes teaching these kids is God's will for her life. She too is a passionate, patriotic and proud conservative and thinks her union and many of the members of the NEA are selfish and care more about themselves than the children. I know all you know this……………………………… but I want to empathize that not all teachers are pooh stains like those protesting in Wisconsin.    


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Re: Breaking: Situation escalates in Wisconsin ....
« Reply #79 on: February 23, 2011, 10:30:45 AM »
Here's a link for the DemonRat calling for blood -

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/145627-dem-lawmaker-on-labor-protests-get-a-little-bloody-when-necessary

Arrest his pathetic ass for inciting riots!
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