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Which candidate's nomination would do the most damage to the ruling-class GOP establishement's grip on the conservative movement?

Mitt Romney
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Newt Gingrich
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Rick Perry
2 (18.2%)
Rick Santorum
1 (9.1%)
Jon Huntsman
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Ron Paul
8 (72.7%)

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Offline IronDioPriest

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We spend a lot of time and energy chronicling the transgressions of the establishment GOP against conservatism. We have suggested that the GOP establishment is little more than an enabler of the Leftists who intend to tear down this country.

Of all the candidates, which one would do the most damage to that GOP establishment machine? Which candidate would do more to put the party back in the hands of the people? Which candidate would do more to undermine the ruling class?
« Last Edit: January 12, 2012, 11:45:36 AM by IronDioPriest »
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Re: Which nominee would do the most damage to the GOP establishement?
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2012, 12:01:57 PM »
 ::rolllaughing::  Well, I voted paul again...... he would buck the establishment, if any were left from the nuke fallout.
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Re: Which nominee would do the most damage to the GOP establishement?
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2012, 12:30:02 PM »

I think Paul would buck it the most but he would receive the most kickback.
He has never worked and played well with others, especially his own team.
He works and plays well with Dennis Kucinich.
Perry is the only candidate who has said "he wants to make the federal government
as inconsequential in your lives as possible".  Again, the proof is in the pudding.


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Re: Which nominee would do the most damage to the GOP establishement?
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2012, 12:41:33 PM »
Iconcur. Paul would do the most damage- to all sides.

Ron Paul 2012: Because its the best way to punish the GOP for what they have done.
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Re: Which nominee would do the most damage to the GOP establishement?
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2012, 12:56:23 PM »
Karl Rove's head would truly explode if Ron Paul wins the nomination.  But it means the Republican establishment would work overtime to sabotage their own nominee in the general election.  Their power will not be easily wrested either.


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Re: Which nominee would do the most damage to the GOP establishement?
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2012, 01:10:27 PM »
Karl Rove's head would truly explode if Ron Paul wins the nomination. 


My, would I love to see Karl Rove's head explode.
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Re: Which nominee would do the most damage to the GOP establishement?
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2012, 01:38:43 PM »
::rolllaughing::  Well, I voted paul again...... he would buck the establishment, if any were left from the nuke fallout.

Can't put it any better  ::laughonfloor::

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Re: Which nominee would do the most damage to the GOP establishement?
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2012, 02:56:02 PM »
Karl Rove's head would truly explode if Ron Paul wins the nomination. 


My, would I love to see Karl Rove's head explode.

About the only good outcome I can see it that entire scenario...
We are now where The Founders were when they faced despotism.

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Re: Which nominee would do the most damage to the GOP establishement?
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2012, 04:24:37 PM »
Karl Rove's head would truly explode if Ron Paul wins the nomination. 


My, would I love to see Karl Rove's head explode.

About the only good outcome I can see it that entire scenario...

I think we are long past the point of looking for "good outcomes"  - Now its just a matter of how bad it will be.

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Re: Which nominee would do the most damage to the GOP establishement?
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2012, 07:54:39 AM »
Karl Rove's head would truly explode if Ron Paul wins the nomination. 


My, would I love to see Karl Rove's head explode.

About the only good outcome I can see it that entire scenario...

I think we are long past the point of looking for "good outcomes"  - Now its just a matter of how bad it will be.

The only real debate is one over timing...as in how much we got left!
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Re: Which nominee would do the most damage to the GOP establishement?
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2012, 02:58:33 PM »
I think the latest fast and furious run to the Left by Obama and the current ilk is only that which has made us acutely aware of our country's peril. It may seem like a sudden peril, but it's really not. I think if any of us had the ability to step back and look at things, we'd find that the point of no return was actually crossed quite some time ago, before anything felt urgent.

Disaster is coming. The best thing anyone can do now is to make preparations for it, to the best of your ability. Defeatist? Pessimistic? No, more like realistic. We as a society spent too much time luxuriating in what was bought for us by our predecessors, and not enough time keeping our eye on the ball. Now we're all about to pay for that failure. We can vote for Mitt in November if it makes us feel better, and I will, but it's unlikely to change anything. Far too little and far too late.

Keep your head down and your powder dry. It may be a disaster but it doesn't have to be a permanent one.
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Re: Which nominee would do the most damage to the GOP establishement?
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2012, 12:19:42 AM »
I heard someone say tonight - maybe on Napolitano? - that Ron Paul was in the race till the end.  Does he have the money?  I will send money if I can find where to do it, because I want to keep him in the pulpit as long as possible.  He is spot on about the economy and the Constitution, and the electorate needs to hear him.  His foreign policy is even beginning to make sense to me.  Certainly as much as Obama's...no... more.  It's more in keeping with what the founders had in mind.  Would "They" attack us if Paul were elected?  Are They just waiting for us to elect an "isolationist" so They can pounce?  I don't think so.  I think the DOD is what's keeping us safe during this administration's terrifying tenure anyway.   

The stakes are just so high now that I'm willing to take a big risk to get the country back on track.  WHAT AM I SAYING?  Well, yes, I'm saying Obama is ruining us with his energy policy (his no-energy policy), his tax policy, his spending policy, his wretched overreach in all departments, including the ever-proliferating agencies, and Mitt is going to do the same thing, only slower. 

But...RON PAUL?  REALLY?  Better give a lot of thought to his vice-president.  He can't be replaced - there's no one like him.  If he survived 8 years, we might try running Rand next, I suppose, but we still need somebody to step in if he dies in office.  I know - Gary Johnson! 

Well, it is late at night here on the east coast, and I may be starting to hallucinate.  Or I've already gone to sleep - I'm dreaming the impossible dream.




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Re: Which nominee would do the most damage to the GOP establishement?
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2012, 03:12:48 AM »
Choosing Ron Paul is like using Drano to clear your throat .

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Re: Which nominee would do the most damage to the GOP establishement?
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2012, 07:13:47 AM »
May be what we need

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Re: Which nominee would do the most damage to the GOP establishement?
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2012, 07:37:38 AM »
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Re: Which nominee would do the most damage to the GOP establishement?
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2012, 09:22:26 AM »
Choosing Ron Paul is like using Drano to clear your throat .

I'd liken it more to a salad tongs, but I get your point.

But I'm to the point where I find Mitt Romney to be far less palatable. At least Paul loves and respects the constitution, even though his interpretation of it regarding foreign policy is completely whacked. If Mitt Romney recited the constitution to me verbatim right now, there is no way he could convince me he didn't read it for the first time yesterday. The guy is a serial liar, and a habitual opportunist. If he is really sailing to the nomination like everyone says he is, then I'm shocked to hear myself say that I will support Paul until there is a winner. South Carolina will tell the tale.

Conservatives are looking for someone to coalesce behind to keep Romney from the nomination. They've all flamed out but Paul, and they are all splitting the conservative vote and allowing him to cruise to victory.

Perhaps it's time to put a Libertarian up against a Marxist and see what the American people really want.
"A strict observance of the written laws is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to written law, would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the means."

- Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Which nominee would do the most damage to the GOP establishement?
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2012, 11:21:23 AM »

Two things everybody agrees upon,
                                                    (1) the GOP establishment needs to be deconstructed and
                                                    (2) Ron Paul is the most likely candidate to damage the GOP
                                                          establishment.


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Re: Which nominee would do the most damage to the GOP establishement?
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2012, 11:37:56 AM »

Two things everybody agrees upon,
                                                    (1) the GOP establishment needs to be deconstructed and
                                                    (2) Ron Paul is the most likely candidate to damage the GOP
                                                          establishment.



I don't know about everybody, but that's where I'm finding myself, thanks to the GOP establishment and Mitt Romney. I feel like my choice has been taken away. I would have supported Palin, or Bachmann, or Paul Ryan, or perhaps some other adequately conservative person not declared. But they destroyed the ones they found unsuitable, and convinced others like Ryan not to run. Now I'm left with having the unprincipled liberal Romney shoved down my throat while Gingrich, Santorum, and Perry divide the conservative vote, or throwing my support behind the guy who's so damned conservative he turns conservatism inside out and upside down to prove it.

I am dreadfully unhappy with this situation. At just the moment in American history when the nation needed a conservative to lead us away from National Socialism, the GOP has failed the country. I am not surprised, but after 2010, I had hope. Now my hope is in destroying the GOP establishment from the inside, and praying that it's not too late for my children and grandchildren to live in the free nation I was blessed with.
"A strict observance of the written laws is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to written law, would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the means."

- Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Which nominee would do the most damage to the GOP establishement?
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2012, 12:11:32 PM »
::rolllaughing::  Well, I voted paul again...... he would buck the establishment, if any were left from the nuke fallout.

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Re: Which nominee would do the most damage to the GOP establishement?
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2012, 03:46:32 PM »
::rolllaughing::  Well, I voted paul again...... he would buck the establishment, if any were left from the nuke fallout.

Based on a true story.

What comes around.