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Why Detroit's not rising any time soon
« on: February 11, 2012, 09:34:41 AM »
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The city of Detroit is a case study in how high taxes can help to trigger a city’s decline. Detroit has had many problems, but at the top of the list: taxes the city has imposed on income, property, and utilities. Those taxes are three times higher than the average for the rest of Michigan, according to Stephen Henderson of the Detroit Free Press. Shopkeepers and homeowners have thus chosen to flee the high cost of doing business in Detroit. From 1950 to 1980, Detroit lost 34% of its people; from 1980 to 2010 Detroit lost 40% more. Each wave of fleeing citizens means fewer people are left to support schools, businesses, and urban services. Economist Gary Wolfram, my Hillsdale College colleague, estimates that 40% of Detroit adults are functional illiterates–people abandoned by the public school unions but too poor to leave town.

Dr. Folsom goes on to explain how other cities prospered.
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Re: Why Detroit's not rising any time soon
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2012, 10:46:02 AM »
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The city of Detroit is a case study in how high taxes can help to trigger a city’s decline. Detroit has had many problems, but at the top of the list: taxes the city has imposed on income, property, and utilities. Those taxes are three times higher than the average for the rest of Michigan, according to Stephen Henderson of the Detroit Free Press. Shopkeepers and homeowners have thus chosen to flee the high cost of doing business in Detroit. From 1950 to 1980, Detroit lost 34% of its people; from 1980 to 2010 Detroit lost 40% more. Each wave of fleeing citizens means fewer people are left to support schools, businesses, and urban services. Economist Gary Wolfram, my Hillsdale College colleague, estimates that 40% of Detroit adults are functional illiterates–people abandoned by the public school unions but too poor to leave town.

Dr. Folsom goes on to explain how other cities prospered.

That's why my uncle left Dearborn in 1969 and moved to Bloomfield Hills . The city ( Detroit ) lost its high income earners and thus its tax base . Continually increasing taxes didn't improve anything but rather made the situation worse . The way things look right now Detroit is a total loss and will never again be the great city it once was .

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Re: Why Detroit's not rising any time soon
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2012, 10:54:44 AM »
An interesting, if somewhat simplistic analysis. I think that that the author is on the right track but perhaps reluctant to say what he believes straight out: Detroit is a case study for the effects of rampant liberalism. He completely leaves one critical factor out of the equation - politics - when attempting to diagnose what went wrong with Detroit  - and indeed much of the rust-belt.

Decades of dhimmicrat rule is what spelled their doom. Piss-poor financial management and planning. Cockeyed social engineering. Parasitic unions. All sucking at the lifeblood that had made Detroit what it was.

So what of his alternate outcome examples of Boston, New York, and San Francisco? Is it really that they somehow blundered into the "sweet-spot" of taxation and (all other considerations ignored) that is how they prosper? I don't think so.

Have you ever been to a ghost town? The amateur archeologist in me is fascinated by them and I've been to several. One point of commonality in all of them - they're all in the middle of nowhere. At one time there was a spark that ignited and a community was formed. It ran its course and then withered, eventually dying off. The reasons why they lose their vitality are legion but in the end they all share a common characteristic: they all lost a compelling reason to remain.

There's another point of commonality in the three examples that the author listed - they're all port cities. Detroit's lifeblood is (was) manufacturing. When most of the manufacturing disappeared it lost its revenue base. Leftists, in their inimitable - and totally insane - style attempted to substitute taxation for the losses of revenue. No doubt their mamas never read them the parable about killing the golden goose.

Boston, New York, and San Francisco - and Seattle - have made many of the same idiotic decisions that killed Detroit. Fortunately (for them) they enjoy more diversification of industry than Detroit had and continue to be viable (for the moment). In other words they prosper in spite of themselves, not because of any forward thinking policies.

But the writing is on the wall. I mentioned seattle because that's (more or less) where I live and thus I am able to study it up close. The pinheaded socialists here are busily setting about the destruction of their community. They work feverishly to impose their Brobdingnagian utopia onto the rest of us. I can't tell you how many absolutely brain-dead decisions I've witnessed here - many of which would kill a less robust community. Lots of them represent major body-blows. But although we stumble, we don't fall because of that diversification of industry. Simply stated, we have more ways to generate revenue.

Naturally that's a leftist wet-dream and consequently we have wall~to~wall liberal loonies parasitically slavering for the chance to latch onto one and suck it dry...

...just like they did in Detroit.

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Re: Why Detroit's not rising any time soon
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2012, 12:12:12 PM »
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Leftists, in their inimitable - and totally insane - style attempted to substitute taxation for the losses of revenue.

They're scrambling around for a way to keep paying the dregs to not burn down what's left after the revenue producers escape.
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Re: Why Detroit's not rising any time soon
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2012, 12:37:14 PM »
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Leftists, in their inimitable - and totally insane - style attempted to substitute taxation for the losses of revenue.

They're scrambling around for a way to keep paying the dregs to not burn down what's left after the revenue producers escape.

Absolutely true!
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Re: Why Detroit's not rising any time soon
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2012, 12:53:20 PM »
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Leftists, in their inimitable - and totally insane - style attempted to substitute taxation for the losses of revenue.

They're scrambling around for a way to keep paying the dregs to not burn down what's left after the revenue producers escape.

Absolutely true!

Yes.  And why?  Because the Looters have got their sinecures and will do almost anything to maintain control over even the scum and the slum, as long as there remains even a remnant standing.

I have to laugh, or snort in disgust, when I read or hear the latest multiculti/di-VER-sity Alinsky-ite pontificating about how "WE built this country".  "WE"?  What "WE"?  Detroit's builders are dead or escaped with their progeny; the "WE" that remains cannot even maintain the civilization, the city, abandoned to them, nevermind build, create or produce anything new.
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Re: Why Detroit's not rising any time soon
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2012, 02:39:02 PM »
I have to laugh, or snort in disgust, when I read or hear the latest multiculti/di-VER-sity Alinsky-ite pontificating about how "WE built this country".  "WE"?  What "WE"?  Detroit's builders are dead or escaped with their progeny; the "WE" that remains cannot even maintain the civilization, the city, abandoned to them, nevermind build, create or produce anything new.

I hate hearing that too.  The "we" are the ones they despise and seek to destroy.
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Re: Why Detroit's not rising any time soon
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2012, 12:54:37 PM »
Reducing tax burden takes many forms though, don't be fooled.  In MN we started going down the property tax reduction route during the Ventura Admin, but cities and counties come up with new ways to "tax" people.  Case in point the city of Edina.  Most people think the taxes they pay cover all costs of maintenance and improvement.  Not so.  They merely classify improvements like street renovation as requiring special assessment funding, it doesn't come out of their general fund.

http://www.kare11.com/news/article/960840/396/Minnesota-homeowners-billed-for-street-work

How many people can afford thousands of dollars in assessments?  How does this affect home values, sales prospects, how would changes be grandfathered?  It's a fricken mess. And thorugh out it all, what is government doing with their general fund?  Do we (at any level) ever see an itemized list?  No, we get pretty pie charts summarizing broad categories, without someone digging most details never see the light of day!

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Re: Why Detroit's not rising any time soon
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2012, 04:21:06 PM »
Successful, the liberals have made many a city into third world cesspools. The gunfire you hear at night will soon enough be happening in broad daylight.

The godless atheists have driven religion out until the only things that exist are the rats scurrying about the ruins of once great metropolises.

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