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Re: This is country we live in now -- first, kill all the lawyers?
« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2012, 11:41:31 PM »

I'm not talking psychic damage.  And I don't need to itemize it.

I'm sorry, but, legally you do.

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 If you are tied
up within the legal system and say, the medical community for three years trying
to right a wrong.  The cost to you is more than the dollars and cents for lawyers
and phone calls etc.  They caused the ill and did not own up to it. They fought
you when they were wrong, they are guilty and owe for the wrong but also they
should be penalized and the state is not the one to benefit from the penalty.
The wrongful should be penalized.  The aggrieved should receive payment for such.

And you've itemized it in the above.  The penalty is for listed damages, which consists of "wrong and guilty", paid to the aggrieved.

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This form of penalty predates the USA IIRC, maybe Biblical, not sure.  I'm not talking
the moon, it could be one fixed formula for all cases.  No surprises, go to court and lose,
it's cost plus.


Fine; go to court and lose, they pay damages AND court costs.

Again, no one can formulize pain, as it is an extremely personal accounting.

The Biblical "eye for an eye" may have meant an actual eye then, I don't know.  Today, we account for the loss of potential earnings due to the actual loss of an eye; attempting to account for the oowies in the loss of an eye is incalculable, thus stoopit.
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Re: This is country we live in now -- first, kill all the lawyers?
« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2012, 11:48:09 PM »

OK, so you are saying they pay damages which go beyond the actual costs?
If you are saying that we are saying the same thing.

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Re: This is country we live in now -- first, kill all the lawyers?
« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2012, 12:06:20 AM »

OK, so you are saying they pay damages which go beyond the actual costs?
If you are saying that we are saying the same thing.

Court costs and actual, itemized damages.

We are not saying the same thing.

Again, one cannot reimburse another, materially, for psychic pain; it is an unquantifiable ... thing ... from one person to another, and a flat formula leaves one person reimbursed beyond reason and as to another ... no amount of money could suffice.  This is beyond the purview of human courts and, as you have seen, the reason for unjustifiable amounts of money.
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Re: This is country we live in now -- first, kill all the lawyers?
« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2012, 12:30:40 AM »

Oh noes! We disagree.
                                 ::facepalm::

It's OK, we're talking about a problem that could have been resolved
in the idealized world where we once lived. Today we're simple fodder
for the progressive machine where reason and logic in the public arena
are no more.

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Re: This is country we live in now -- first, kill all the lawyers?
« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2012, 07:09:59 AM »
"Today we're simple fodder for the progressive machine where reason and logic in the public arena are no more."

Break the hold the trial lawyers have on politicians first, then maybe we can talk about returning to a sane world.
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Re: This is country we live in now -- first, kill all the lawyers?
« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2012, 10:06:36 AM »

Oh noes! We disagree.
                                 ::facepalm::

It's OK, we're talking about a problem that could have been resolved
in the idealized world where we once lived. Today we're simple fodder
for the progressive machine where reason and logic in the public arena
are no more.

Oh yez!  We do.   ;D

And yes, we are.    >:(
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Re: This is country we live in now -- first, kill all the lawyers?
« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2012, 10:22:18 AM »
Loser pays.  Really all that's needed.

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Re: This is country we live in now -- first, kill all the lawyers?
« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2012, 10:02:17 AM »
My daughter was watching Judge Judy one afternoon recently and told me the plaintiff was asking for actual damages and for "emotional pain".  Judge Judy didn't give it to her of course.

People want to be compensated for life's inconveniences and hardships.

I heard the other day Dave Duerson's family is suing the NFL for failing to warn players and the public about the dangers of getting hit in the head while playing football.  As far as I can tell people are now aware of this issue and still football continues...
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Re: This is country we live in now -- first, kill all the lawyers?
« Reply #28 on: February 24, 2012, 01:07:39 PM »
My daughter was watching Judge Judy one afternoon recently and told me the plaintiff was asking for actual damages and for "emotional pain".  Judge Judy didn't give it to her of course.

People want to be compensated for life's inconveniences and hardships.

I heard the other day Dave Duerson's family is suing the NFL for failing to warn players and the public about the dangers of getting hit in the head while playing football.  As far as I can tell people are now aware of this issue and still football continues...


Rush Limbaugh warns that football will be banned sometime in the near future; it'll start with high school and work it's way up to the NFL.  "Don't. doubt me."
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Re: This is country we live in now -- first, kill all the lawyers?
« Reply #29 on: February 24, 2012, 02:42:56 PM »
My daughter was watching Judge Judy one afternoon recently and told me the plaintiff was asking for actual damages and for "emotional pain".  Judge Judy didn't give it to her of course.

People want to be compensated for life's inconveniences and hardships.

I heard the other day Dave Duerson's family is suing the NFL for failing to warn players and the public about the dangers of getting hit in the head while playing football.  As far as I can tell people are now aware of this issue and still football continues...


Rush Limbaugh warns that football will be banned sometime in the near future; it'll start with high school and work it's way up to the NFL.  "Don't. doubt me."

Troy Aikman said the the same thing, due to all the concusion issues.
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