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Some Advice About Salt
« on: March 04, 2012, 07:33:10 AM »
I found a new, very interesting blog and decided to share.

In a previous post, DrRich explained to his loyal readers why the Central Authority’s recent assault on salt is, at best, premature.

"Our leaders, of course, insist that the benefits of a universal sodium restriction, applied to each and every American citizen, is more than merely an extraordinarily healthful idea – it is settled science. And anyone who says otherwise is the moral equivalent of a Holocaust Denier (or worse, a Global Warming Denier).

DrRich’s earlier post argued that the available data falls far short of supporting a universal sodium restriction, and suggested that the government is embarking on yet another experiment to be perpetrated upon the population at large, much like Our Leaders’ earlier unfortunate experiments with low-fat diets, and adding trans-fats to most of our processed foods. Since that earlier post, several new scientific studies have been published which lend support to DrRich’s qualms about a universal salt restriction, and which suggest that, indeed, low salt intakes are likely to be quite dangerous to a substantial minority of people.

However, we are now in a new era of herd medicine. And a universal sodium restriction illustrates the very nature of herd medicine. Our Central Authority calculates that a universal sodium restriction is likely to add up to a better overall collective outcome. And if 10-20% of the people suffer because of this policy, that’s not really relevant. It’s the overall outcome that is dispositive.

And people who complain about this are just being troublemakers.

Because a sodium restriction is settled science, new data (unless it is supportive data), by definition, is not allowed into the discussion. Indeed, by definition, the discussion is over. And those people and organizations who have petitioned the government to reconsider its universal sodium restriction policy, citing lots of scientific evidence to show why this policy is at best unproven and quite likely dangerous to the public, are just identifying themselves as some of the people with whom DrRich will be doing morning jumping jacks when he is finally assigned to his reeducation camp.

And so, realizing that it is pointless, DrRich will not rail any further against the government’s policy on salt restriction. Instead, he will undertake the task of providing useful advice to his readers, aimed at helping them to cope with the inevitable changes that are coming to the foods they eat – and perhaps, helping them to get enough sodium in their diets to avoid early death.

First, DrRich urges his readers to notice that purchasing bags of salt, even in large quantities, is not yet illegal – and indeed there is, as yet, no special “salt surcharge” or “salt tax” added to the purchase price. Further, DrRich reminds his readers that salt is famous for being storable for very long periods of time. So stock up while you can. Ten to 15 years of salt in your cupboard will likely take you up to the point where total societal collapse, Greek-style, will make the amount of salt in your diet the least of your worries.

As a simple precaution, however, when you buy your bags of salt you should not use your credit card or your debit card, and by no means should you allow your friendly neighborhood grocer to tabulate your purchase in the grocery’s rewards program. Use cash. (Indeed, since your future healthcare may very well depend on your long-term compliance with various dietary directives, you should probably begin purchasing only fruits and vegetables with any of these non-cash alternatives.)

If you keep your salt purchases to under $20 cash at a time, odds are you will not trigger official scrutiny.

Second, a week or two ago the CDC released an extremely helpful report which lists the 10 food categories which contribute most of the sodium consumption to the American diet.

These include:

- bread and rolls,
- cold cuts/cured meats,
- pizza,
- poultry,
- soups,
- sandwiches,
- cheese,
- pasta mixed dishes,
- meat mixed dishes,
- savory snacks.

These delightful culinary treats, the CDC warns us, are deadly due to their salt content. The Agency further indicates that strong government action is necessary, and is coming, to remove these dangerous products from the grocer’s shelves. (And the CDC, DrRich reminds his readers, is a government agency, and therefore is one of the manifold voices of the Central Authority. We must take its pronouncements seriously.)

So once again, stock up while you can. Some of these foodstuffs can be purchased in jars and cans, and will keep for years. Dried pasta and savory snacks also store quite well. Other items on this list can be bought and frozen. And of course, you can buy a bread maker, which, utilizing the bags of salt you have on hand, can furnish you with all the sodium-laden bread you are likely to need.  And once again, use cash.

DrRich sincerely thanks the government for providing this helpful list of essential foodstuffs which it is targeting for obliteration.

Third, when we are stocking up for the shortages which the government has now pledged to create, it is inevitable that we will misjudge on the necessary quantities. We may find, for instance, that we have way too many Cheetos on hand, and not enough linguini. This means we had better be prepared to barter with our neighbors.

Since it is relatively unlikely that American greenbacks, by that time, will be valued enough to induce your neighbor to part with irreplaceable cans of chicken noodle soup, DrRich humbly suggests that you begin laying up a few dozen cartons of cigarettes. If you travel to any socialist country, you will find that cigarettes are the universal currency, and can get you just about whatever you need.

Finally, even if you do not believe that owning salt or salty foods is about to become at least a misdemeanor, or that we are about to become a barter economy, you should still find the government’s Salt Target List helpful. The companies that make this stuff are about to come upon very hard times. So scour your investment portfolio before it is too late, and make the necessary adjustments.

DrRich, as always, is pleased to be of assistance."
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Re: Some Advice About Salt
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2012, 09:56:51 AM »
That was awesome.

A number of years ago I read a couple of articles by doctors positing their belief that salt restriction was only necessary for the few who are sodium sentitive.  They believed telling people who weren't so predisposed would result in no better outcomes in whether they developed or worsened their heart disease/high blood pressure.  This article suggests that avoiding salt for those who aren't sensitive because of their heart disease or high blood pressure might actually be harmful for some. 

Limiting salt has been presented to me as a way to avoid cardio-vascular disease.

I recently saw something by a research doctor suggesting that cholestrol lowering drugs might actually be more harmful than the high cholestrol itself.  It was suggested that it's not the cholestrol itself causing the heart disease but that the bad cholestrol is a reaction to the body's attempt to correct imbalances in the cardio-vascular system.  I don't totally understand the theory but I found it interesting nonetheless. 

One of my biggest beefs with medicine is the attitude of one size fits all. Maybe it's because more often than not I tend to be the minority when it comes to reactions and outcomes.

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Re: Some Advice About Salt
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2012, 10:48:16 AM »
As do I with regard to "different" reactions and outcomes, which is why I carefully question everything through the lens of "the doc knows medicine and I know my body".  If he listens to me when I explain why I'm in doubt about any recommendations, we're usually fine; he revises the plan, I get better, and he's happy because I'm getting better.  Win/win.  I got fired by a doctor because she didn't like my questioning her; "hostile attitude" you know.

Anyway, about the cardio vascular disease from cholesterol; what I've reading lately are reports that high carb diets (which turns into sugar) are what causes arterial damage and the arterial "plaques" are the body's attempts to repair the damage using cholesterol; the plaques turn into blockages.

As for the war against salt, I think they're control-freaks and just wrong.  Anybody who was sweating heavily due to exertion used to take salt pills because the body needs it; all the "sport" drinks have sodium in them for more than its preservative qualities.

My brother owns his own auto-repair shop in NJ and sweats his ass off in the summer -- he's got fans but AC is wasteful when the bay doors are open so often -- and I caught my SIL busting his chops about him salting his food.  I wanted to smash her.
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Re: Some Advice About Salt
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2012, 11:59:10 AM »
I can taste three grains of salt in a bowl of soup. There's a salt shaker in the house but I've never used it - I find that there's enough naturally occurring salt - in addition to the tons of added salt in packaged foods - that I never feel compelled to add any to anything.

My dad OTOH salted everything. Mom would make a stew and dish him a bowlful. He'd upend the salt shaker and dash dash dash dash dash dash dash dash it on. Every so often I wouldn't be able to stop myself and I'd ask if it wouldn't be easier for him to simply dip his food into a bowl of salt.

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Re: Some Advice About Salt
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2012, 02:18:23 PM »


Anyway, about the cardio vascular disease from cholesterol; what I've reading lately are reports that high carb diets (which turns into sugar) are what causes arterial damage and the arterial "plaques" are the body's attempts to repair the damage using cholesterol; the plaques turn into blockages.


Yes, that sounds like what I was reading. 

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Re: Some Advice About Salt
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2012, 03:20:02 PM »
Sodiumphobia.

Ever cut your finger and then stick it in your mouth?  Tastes salty, doesn't it?

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Re: Some Advice About Salt
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2012, 08:28:22 PM »

One of my biggest beefs with medicine is the attitude of one size fits all. Maybe it's because more often than not I tend to be the minority when it comes to reactions and outcomes.


Before the government/trial lawyer/insurance company complex took over medicine, doctors would actually
practice medicine using their skills, acquired and learned, and wisdom to make a determination. Their analysis
would not rely on some actuary derived from statistical analysis and the current model of probability.  ::sigh::

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Re: Some Advice About Salt
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2012, 01:51:21 PM »
Rush Limbaugh is right now banging on the no salt/low fat "conventional wisdom" idiots.
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Re: Some Advice About Salt
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2012, 02:22:52 PM »
Yes, heard Rush. 

Another topic I can't talk with my mom about.  I hope she's listening.   
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Re: Some Advice About Salt
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2012, 11:46:47 AM »

One of my biggest beefs with medicine is the attitude of one size fits all. Maybe it's because more often than not I tend to be the minority when it comes to reactions and outcomes.


Before the government/trial lawyer/insurance company complex took over medicine, doctors would actually
practice medicine using their skills, acquired and learned, and wisdom to make a determination. Their analysis
would not rely on some actuary derived from statistical analysis and the current model of probability.  ::sigh::

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Re: Some Advice About Salt
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2012, 06:50:29 AM »
We've known from about the time I was in high school that most people do NOT benefit from a sodium restricted diet.

In fact, the single most important element in animating living tissue is sodium, closely followed by potassium.  Obviously too much of a good thing isn't good for you, but so is NOT ENOUGH of a good thing.  And as Alphabet Soup mentions, even people with genetic familial commonality have widely divergent intake requirements.

As for cholesterol, there are at least a half dozen different kinds of cholesterol, and if you don't get enough in your diet, your body will produce it on its own!  One of the functions of cholesterol is to protect blood vessels where they have become irritated or damaged, sadly this ain't the greatest mechanism and can lead to atherosclerosis:  but that condition appears to be primarily determined by genetics, not diet, and not even exercise can make an appreciable difference.

And lets not even get started on transfats~ALL ANIMAL FATS ARE TRANSFATS.  When was the last time you saw a pig have a heart attack because of too much pork fat?  (Seriously, it DOES happen, but it is more rare in pigs than people.)  Trans fatty acids aren't just one thing:  they are an entire group of compounds, each of which behave differently in the body.

Now, it would be nice to KNOW what effects different foods have on our health, but there's too much junk science parading as authoritative to know what really is and isn't good for us.  So for the government to regulate what people are allowed to have in their diets isn't just folly, it's dictatorship.
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