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Obama Challenges SCOTUS
« on: April 04, 2012, 05:38:26 AM »
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Who is this president who darkens counsel with ignorant words concerning the balance of power established by the Constitution of the United States?

Monday, by declaring that the "unelected" Supreme Court had better rule in favor of the 2,700-page health care act of 2010, the president of our country revealed not only his hypocrisy, but the extent he will go to in order to preserve the key accomplishment of his administration.  He seems fully to intend to intimidate the Court into rubber-stamping the Affordable Care Act of 2010 as constitutional.

First, the hypocrisy.

Who is this man making noise about "unelected" bodies of government?

Isn't this the guy whose unelected 45 czars, innumerable agencies, and other bureaucratic entities have already made Congress a joke and an increasingly paralyzed symbolic rump of its former self?  Isn't this the guy whose continual attacks on states like Arizona are making true federalism and state sovereignty a thing of the past?  Isn't this the guy who has openly declared he will bypass an elected Congress by means of executive order and unelected entities such as the EPA?  Isn't this the man who has just ridiculed the opposition's budget plan as "Social Darwinism," thus once again refusing even to attempt to reach across the aisle to duly elected representatives who happen to be Republicans?  Even more importantly, isn't this the president who, by utilization of supra-constitutional entities, has effectively created a substitute government in thrall to the executive branch?  Last, isn't this the guy who has shown distaste for the slowness of elected representatives, expressing admiration for and imitating the centrally planned command economy of China?

Yes.  That's the same guy.

Now he has the unmitigated gall to target the Supreme Court as an "unelected" body, the members of which were forewarned about any intransigence they might display against the executive branch during his State of the Union speech of 2010.  It was at that time President Obama publicly dressed down the sitting judges in front of the entire legislative body, and indeed, the nation, for a ruling he disagreed with.  He said:

    With all due deference to separation of powers, last week the supreme court reversed a century of law that I believe will open the floodgates for special interests -- including foreign corporations -- to spend without limit in our elections[.] ... I don't think American elections should be bankrolled by America's most powerful interests, or worse, by foreign entities. They should be decided by the American people. And I'd urge Democrats and Republicans to pass a bill that helps to correct some of these problems.

This is not the first time a president of the United States has declared war against the Supreme Court of the United States.  Obama is an admirer and imitator of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, whose own tangles with SCOTUS were legendary.  FDR attacked the high Court in his fiery "fireside chats," rebuking the Court for not being in tandem with the executive and legislative branches, explaining to the American public why the court was essentially an excrescence on the body politic because it dared to declare unconstitutional key elements of the Roosevelt agenda in 1935 and 1936.  Roosevelt even tried to pack the Supreme Court with justices favorable to his makeover of American society.  Impervious to the president's threats, the court still struck down eight pillars of Roosevelt's New Deal.

But that is precisely what the high Court is supposed to do -- namely, strike down unconstitutional legislation.  That is one chief reason why the court is an "unelected" body.  It was created to stand as an institution that subscribes to the rule of law and to the U.S. Constitution.  The members have lifelong tenure in order that the august Court remain the one branch of government which leavens, withstands, and/or tempers the vicissitudes and overreaches of the legislative and executive branches of government.  The high court acts as a salutary brake on the nostrums of any one particular administration by subjecting legislation and lower court decisions to tempered and, yes, judicious review of the Constitution.

At this time, the Supreme Court is one of the only effective forces remaining as a deterrent to the unbridled overreach of an overweening executive branch.  It is also one of the most respected institutions in the United States.  Its rulings still mean something.

President Obama knows the respect in which the court is held, and he has learned from FDR's example.  That is why, like FDR, he is seeking to belittle its status by essentially declaring it merely a body of nine unelected officials who are unresponsive to the American people.  The prestige of the Court is one reason why the president has gone on the attack from day one and now appears ready to defy the Court's ruling because it is "unelected" and doesn't reflect the will of the people.  The battle is now fully enjoined, and a pre-emptive strike has been made.

Now, for perhaps the first time in Obama's administration, the president is looking at potential serious resistance from SCOTUS.  The Court might strike down part or all of the president's key legislative victory.  In response to that possible eventuality, the president has taken the extraordinary measure of publicly chastising and warning the high Court before it issues its ruling in June of this year.  He doubtless is so doing because the justices' questions indicate the unease with which certain members of the court regard the individual mandate as well as other questionable aspects of the law.

For conservatives, the handwriting is on the wall.  If the justices cave under the intimidating rebuke of the president and uphold the Affordable Care Act in full or in part, the end of a viable conservative resistance may follow, as the prospect of some 159 controlling, regulation-producing agencies, commissions, and boards governing the most private aspects of our lives essentially would end meaningful representative government and would vitiate the balance of powers as established by our venerable Constitution.

Should Obama be successful in his attempts to intimidate the Supreme Court or attempt to defy a negative ruling on ObamaCare, conservatives face the possibility of being reduced to mere tinkerers on the fringes of a socialist Leviathan that would encompass every aspect of American life.

As I predicted a year ago:

    The ultimate battle will be enjoined should the Supreme Court declare Obama Care unconstitutional. When and if the administration chooses to defy the ruling of our most august judicial body, FDR's attempt to pack the court will seem a picayune maneuver compared to what will be an all out assault on the Republic, an assault which could conceivably send it to the graveyard of history.

Conservatives of all stripes, Democrats, Republicans, and independents alike, would do well to heed the warnings emanating from the White House, strongly confront the president, and pray fervently that the Court strikes down at least the individual mandate that is the underpinning of the grotesquerie known as ObamaCare.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/04/fdr_redux_obama_challenges_scotus.html#ixzz1r4ChrrTS

This guy will ignore the Court if it overrules Obamacare and then we are going to have to decide exactly what to do about that.
« Last Edit: April 04, 2012, 05:46:30 AM by Pandora »
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Re: Obama Challenges SCOTUS
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2012, 05:48:47 AM »
The 5th Circuit Court Scolds Obama – Then Schools Him

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Obama’s radical statements yesterday were so inconceivably stupid and dangerous he managed to completely offend and alarm the entire U.S. 5th Circuit Court of Appeals Panel.  So, today, during a hearing over a separate ObamaCare lawsuit, Appellate Judge Jerry Smith issued an Order for Obama’s Department of Justice to explain by Thursday whether the administration ”recognizes that federal courts have the authority to strike federal statutes” that are unconstitutional… single-spaced and on no fewer than three pages.

According to Fox News,

    A federal appeals court is striking back after President Obama cautioned the Supreme Court against overturning the health care overhaul and warned that such an act would be “unprecedented.”

    A three-judge panel for the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals on Tuesday ordered the Justice Department to explain by Thursday whether the administration believes judges have the power to strike down a federal law.

    One justice in particular chided the administration for what he said was being perceived as a “challenge” to judicial authority — referring directly to Obama’s latest comments about the Supreme Court’s review of the health care case.

    The testy exchange played out during a hearing over a separate ObamaCare challenge. It marked a new phase in the budding turf war between the executive and judicial branches.

    “Does the Department of Justice recognize that federal courts have the authority in appropriate circumstances to strike federal statutes because of one or more constitutional infirmities?” Judge Jerry Smith asked at the hearing.

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    Smith also made clear during that exchange that he was “referring to statements by the president in the past few days to the effect … that it is somehow inappropriate for what he termed unelected judges to strike acts of Congress.”

    “That has troubled a number of people who have read it as somehow a challenge to the federal courts or to their authority,” Smith said. “And that’s not a small matter.”

    Smith ordered a response from the department within 48 hours. The related letter from the court, obtained by Fox News, instructed the Justice Department to provide an explanation of “no less than three pages, single spaced” by noon on Thursday.

The three branches of government are co-equal to prevent this sort of tyrannical behavior.  But, Obama thinks he’s the only branch of government and the other two just interfere.  Maybe next he’ll threaten to add six more Justices to the Supreme Court, like Roosevelt did 75 years ago.

And the creepiness continues…

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Re: Obama Challenges SCOTUS
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2012, 05:53:00 AM »
Brutus, where art thou?  ::laserkill::
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Re: Obama Challenges SCOTUS
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2012, 07:00:26 AM »
Hearing this yesterday I almost blew all my gaskets!  This POS just declared war on a co-equal branch of government and the goddamned pubbies just curled up in a corner and wet themselves!

At least the 5th Circuit shot back!

WTF is everybody else?!?!?!

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We are now where The Founders were when they faced despotism.

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Re: Obama Challenges SCOTUS
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2012, 07:34:28 AM »
"Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer." - Mark Twain

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Re: Obama Challenges SCOTUS
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2012, 02:18:26 AM »
The word Stymie is REALLY worried about is "un-presidented" .

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Re: Obama Challenges SCOTUS
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2012, 08:37:04 AM »
They get what they deserve for not taking up the issue of eligibility of office for this clown. Always comes back to bite you in the arse. Ouch!
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Re: Obama Challenges SCOTUS
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2012, 09:37:34 AM »
Here's the thing about Obama. He says and does these things, knowing exactly what the reaction will be. He's doing it on purpose. He attacks the Supreme Court, knowing full well what the response will be.

We've been looking at this behavior for what it is for well over four years. But the American people as a whole are not seeing it. He knows they aren't seeing it, and that's why he does it. He knows it means one thing to "us", and something entirely different to everybody else, and so he's emboldened.

People have got to start comparing this man's words and actions to their own gut-check, and then asking themselves some pretty dire questions about what they think are his true intentions.

I think at the very, very least, his intentions are to inflict as much damage as possible in the time he has - in or out of office. He's never going away, until the day he dies. As long as he lives, he'll never let the United States of America heal from the wounds he's inflicted. If he can hold power, he will, by whatever means he believes he can justify. If he can't, he'll be an anti-American scourge on this nation unlike any foreign enemy we've ever faced.
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Re: Obama Challenges SCOTUS
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2012, 10:26:51 AM »
I think at the very, very least, his intentions are to inflict as much damage as possible in the time he has - in or out of office. He's never going away, until the day he dies. As long as he lives, he'll never let the United States of America heal from the wounds he's inflicted. If he can hold power, he will, by whatever means he believes he can justify. If he can't, he'll be an anti-American scourge on this nation unlike any foreign enemy we've ever faced.

"Some people just want to watch the world burn."

The good news is that we are far past the point of stopping the blaze. The world economy is going up in fire. Obama and his handlers are hoping to turn that crisis to their benefit - and because they live in their own little echo chambers, they proceed apace, not comprehending the prep and attention that is being paid (http://pjmedia.com/blog/bunkers-food-armor-disaster-prep-hits-mainstream/ ).  Perhaps they have planned for it. Maybe we are all on some list and the 1000s of  drones will come to destroy our house one night. I am sure they would  concentrate on ex-military first, as those are the best equipped  to train and lead a civilian force, but even then that will only work once. If they attack us sleeping in our beds, we won't be in our beds the next night. As I have said before, they can't win that way. They have to use Nukes, chemical or biological weapons to conquer and control this country - and if they wished to do that, I don't see what they are waiting for... hubris in thinking we will just comply I suspect.

In any case, Borat  can only cause trouble  us for a few more years. All damage is implicitly limited by the inevitable collapse, and in the chaos that ensues, even his own secret service might take him out. Any of them would be very unwise to get into my sphere of influence after the event, and I suspect I am not an isolated case.
 

 

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Re: Obama Challenges SCOTUS
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2012, 10:37:23 AM »

An eight grade comprehension of American history and more than a twenty
second attention span is necessary to grasp the breadth and depth of this man's
words and deeds, regretfully thirty to forty percent of our voters lack these basic
self sustaining qualities.

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Re: Obama Challenges SCOTUS
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2012, 12:30:50 PM »
Unfortunately, you’re right.
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Re: Obama Challenges SCOTUS
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2012, 09:53:20 PM »

ABC

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Re: Obama Challenges SCOTUS
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2012, 11:40:35 PM »

ABC

POS Erik Holder tells ABC “It was under three pages!”




What a tool.
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Re: Obama Challenges SCOTUS
« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2012, 04:27:32 AM »
Oh hell ... we all know damned well that Holder didn't write the thing . He had one of his hacks do it . Turning in someone else's homework as your own should get you expelled .

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Re: Obama Challenges SCOTUS
« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2012, 08:58:31 PM »
We've been looking at this behavior for what it is for well over four years. But the American people as a whole are not seeing it. He knows they aren't seeing it, and that's why he does it. He knows it means one thing to "us", and something entirely different to everybody else, and so he's emboldened.

The friggin' sheople will get what they deserve!  ::overkill:: I just pray they don't drag us down with them.
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