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Wow. Just Wow.
« on: April 04, 2012, 11:09:05 AM »
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/04/03/impeach-the-supreme-court-justices-if-they-overturn-health-care-law.html

I don't where to even being responding to such stupidity ( though my initial idea was lead poisoning)

But here is the money quote

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A decision striking down the health care law would be a statement that the only people entitled to health care are the people who can afford it.

So right there the assertion is that everyone is entitled to health care and we will enslave others to pay for it.

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« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2012, 11:21:18 AM »
All I can say is, consider the source.  Daily Beast = Newsweek = Pretty lightweight thinking. Or no thinking at all.

It would be worse if it was read by people who could be influenced by it. It isn't. They write for the rest of the lib echo chamber. It makes them feel good.

They are only a few seconds away from going postal. If they had a gun and weren't afraid of them.
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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2012, 11:25:49 AM »
Stoopit sheeples!  Umm, Impeachment starts in the House, the DemonRats don't control the House, and aren't likely to given how bad Obama & Dem's have driven the economy (and everything else) into the sh*tter!

Dem's!  Stuck on Stupid since....forever!

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« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2012, 04:16:00 PM »
More WOW in this excerpt, found at Neo-Neocon:

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    …I am reminded of that evening in March, four years ago, when I made my first radio report to you. We were then in the midst of the great banking crisis.

    Soon after, with the authority of the Congress, we asked the Nation to turn over all of its privately held gold, dollar for dollar, to the Government of the United States.

    Today’s recovery proves how right that policy was.

    But when, almost two years later, it came before the Supreme Court its constitutionality was upheld only by a five-to-four vote. The change of one vote would have thrown all the affairs of this great Nation back into hopeless chaos. In effect, four Justices ruled that the right under a private contract to exact a pound of flesh [quite a reference, no?] was more sacred than the main objectives of the Constitution to establish an enduring Nation.

    …It will take time – and plenty of time – to work out our remedies administratively even after legislation is passed. To complete our program of protection in time, therefore, we cannot delay one moment in making certain that our National Government has power to carry through.

    The American people have learned from the depression. For in the last three national elections an overwhelming majority of them voted a mandate that the Congress and the President begin the task of providing that protection – not after long years of debate, but now.

    The Courts, however, have cast doubts on the ability of the elected Congress to protect us against catastrophe by meeting squarely our modern social and economic conditions.

    …I want to talk with you very simply about the need for present action in this crisis – the need to meet the unanswered challenge of one-third of a Nation ill-nourished, ill-clad, ill-housed.

    Last Thursday I described the American form of Government as a three horse team provided by the Constitution to the American people so that their field might be plowed. The three horses are, of course, the three branches of government – the Congress, the Executive and the Courts. Two of the horses are pulling in unison today; the third is not. Those who have intimated that the President of the United States is trying to drive that team, overlook the simple fact that the President, as Chief Executive, is himself one of the three horses.

    It is the American people themselves who are in the driver’s seat.

    It is the American people themselves who want the furrow plowed.

    It is the American people themselves who expect the third horse to pull in unison with the other two.

    I hope that you have re-read the Constitution of the United States in these past few weeks. Like the Bible, it ought to be read again and again.

    …Having in mind that in succeeding generations many other problems then undreamed of would become national problems, [the framers] gave to the Congress the ample broad powers “to levy taxes … and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States.”

    That, my friends, is what I honestly believe to have been the clear and underlying purpose of the patriots who wrote a Federal Constitution to create a National Government with national power, intended as they said, “to form a more perfect union … for ourselves and our posterity.”

    For nearly twenty years there was no conflict between the Congress and the Court. Then Congress passed a statute which, in 1803, the Court said violated an express provision of the Constitution. The Court claimed the power to declare it unconstitutional and did so declare it…

    But since the rise of the modern movement for social and economic progress through legislation, the Court has more and more often and more and more boldly asserted a power to veto laws passed by the Congress and State Legislatures in complete disregard of this original limitation.

    In the last four years the sound rule of giving statutes the benefit of all reasonable doubt has been cast aside. The Court has been acting not as a judicial body, but as a policy-making body.

    When the Congress has sought to stabilize national agriculture, to improve the conditions of labor, to safeguard business against unfair competition, to protect our national resources, and in many other ways, to serve our clearly national needs, the majority of the Court has been assuming the power to pass on the wisdom of these acts of the Congress – and to approve or disapprove the public policy written into these laws…

    In the face of these dissenting opinions [which FDR had just quoted from], there is no basis for the claim made by some members of the Court that something in the Constitution has compelled them regretfully to thwart the will of the people.

    In the face of such dissenting opinions, it is perfectly clear that, as Chief Justice Hughes has said, “We are under a Constitution, but the Constitution is what the judges say it is.”

    The Court in addition to the proper use of its judicial functions has improperly set itself up as a third house of the Congress – a super-legislature, as one of the justices has called it – reading into the Constitution words and implications which are not there, and which were never intended to be there.

    We have, therefore, reached the point as a nation where we must take action to save the Constitution from the Court and the Court from itself. We must find a way to take an appeal from the Supreme Court to the Constitution itself. We want a Supreme Court which will do justice under the Constitution and not over it. In our courts we want a government of laws and not of men.

    I want – as all Americans want – an independent judiciary as proposed by the framers of the Constitution. That means a Supreme Court that will enforce the Constitution as written, that will refuse to amend the Constitution by the arbitrary exercise of judicial power – in other words by judicial say-so. It does not mean a judiciary so independent that it can deny the existence of facts which are universally recognized.

    …What is my proposal? It is simply this: whenever a Judge or Justice of any Federal Court has reached the age of seventy and does not avail himself of the opportunity to retire on a pension, a new member shall be appointed by the President then in office, with the approval, as required by the Constitution, of the Senate of the United States.

    …There is nothing novel or radical about this idea. It seeks to maintain the Federal bench in full vigor.

    …Like all lawyers, like all Americans, I regret the necessity of this controversy. But the welfare of the United States, and indeed of the Constitution itself, is what we all must think about first. Our difficulty with the Court today rises not from the Court as an institution but from human beings within it. But we cannot yield our constitutional destiny to the personal judgement of a few men who, being fearful of the future, would deny us the necessary means of dealing with the present.

    This plan of mine is no attack on the Court; it seeks to restore the Court to its rightful and historic place in our Constitutional Government and to have it resume its high task of building anew on the Constitution “a system of living law.” The Court itself can best undo what the Court has done.

    …During the past half century the balance of power between the three great branches of the Federal Government, has been tipped out of balance by the Courts in direct contradiction of the high purposes of the framers of the Constitution. It is my purpose to restore that balance. You who know me will accept my solemn assurance that in a world in which democracy is under attack, I seek to make American democracy succeed. You and I will do our part.

FDR believed, as does Daily Beast author David R. Dow, that nothing ought check the power of the Federal government when it legislates and rules as the Left wants, and that nothing does, particularly not the Constitution, which will be twisted to proclaim what is not there as well as obfuscate what clearly is.

I can only imagine my Grandfather, upon listening to this "Fireside Chat", sonofabtching all over the place.
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Re: Wow. Just Wow.
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2012, 04:31:36 PM »

I can't read this thing it's making me dizzy.
Does it make a rational statement somewhere
in there?


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« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2012, 05:17:22 PM »

I can't read this thing it's making me dizzy.
Does it make a rational statement somewhere
in there?



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« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2012, 06:59:26 AM »
My grandfather knew too, Pan, he knew what FDR was all about, and he loathed him his whole life.  My grandfather was a big man...farmer, mailman, mason...could be stern but always soft spoken...the only time I ever heard him get agitated or raise his voice was when he was talking about FDR...with Johnson coming in a not too distant second.

I feel the same way about Obama, but it feels like 1,000 x's more powerful, but I bet grandfather could relate.

Same crap, different era, the only difference between the two is Obama is a much much less gifted bullsh*tter than FDR.

PS-I still have my grandfathers old Philco radio, vacuum tubes and all, that he used to listen to.  It still works!
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« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2012, 07:32:26 AM »
Jeez, check this crap out!

"Since the 1930s the Supreme Court has without exception deferred to Congress when it comes to Congress's authority to pass legislation to regulate matters of national economic importance such as health care, 80 years," Carney said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/04/usa-court-obama-idUSL2E8F4B8N20120404

Yeah, uhh huh, and what asshole was Prez in the 30's?  Oh yeah, that other progressive socialist jackass FDR!

Our history goes back more that 80 years, dipsh*t!  And not everything in the past 80 years of judicial review passes your BS, idiot!

God, do these people suck!  Nice "damage control", got any more gas?

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« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2012, 09:04:29 AM »
My only hope, as each day passes and this thug continues to run roughshod over the nation, a few more wake up to understand a vote for Barack Obama IS NOT a vote regarding your interests.
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« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2012, 10:00:14 AM »
From Pan's link:

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For nearly twenty years there was no conflict between the Congress and the Court. Then Congress passed a statute which, in 1803, the Court said violated an express provision of the Constitution. The Court claimed the power to declare it unconstitutional and did so declare it…

But since the rise of the modern movement for social and economic progress through legislation, the Court has more and more often and more and more boldly asserted a power to veto laws passed by the Congress and State Legislatures in complete disregard of this original limitation.

What does that tell me? Does it tell me that the courts usurped congressional authority 20 years after the framing and never looked back? No.

It tells me that it took a mere 20 years for Washington DC politicians to become untethered from the constitution. And that seems about right. 20 years, for many of the people directly involved in the struggle for liberty and the framing of the constitution to be replaced with people vying for power and position.
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« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2012, 10:35:27 AM »
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It tells me that it took a mere 20 years for Washington DC politicians to become untethered from the constitution.

It was, I think, Weisshaupt who wrote, or linked to a writer, that the Founders expected the 'arrangement' to last about 50 years and then another battle would be in order.

We're very, very late.

Either WE get it done, force Leviathan back in its box, or "our" children will have to do it.  For those who have grown children, it will be the grandchildren, then, on top of the debt they will be left.  That's wrong.
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« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2012, 12:37:27 PM »
The statists have cultivated ignorance through their total domination of education. The ignorance of the Constitution, and the mechanisms of government instituted by it, is near total...even at the very highest levels of government.

It seems to be little more than a footnote in the public discourse that the Constitution contains a built-in mechanism for amending it. All this whining about the Constitution being "outdated" and preventing "progress" is nonsense. What they're really whining about is the fact that their "progress" is not popular enough to clear the hurdles to making a proper amendment to the Constitution. So they've tried to circumvent the Constitution through regular statute, and where that fails they try to do it through the courts. They could legally implement their precious ObamaCare if they amended the Constitution. But that requires 3/4 of the states to approve, and unless something has overwhelming popular will behind it, it's not going to clear that hurdle. By design. It's not a bug it's a feature.
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« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2012, 02:29:20 PM »


PS-I still have my grandfathers old Philco radio, vacuum tubes and all, that he used to listen to.  It still works!

I'm jealous!
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« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2012, 02:31:13 PM »


PS-I still have my grandfathers old Philco radio, vacuum tubes and all, that he used to listen to.  It still works!

I'm jealous!

I have no vacuum tube replacements, so I have not turned it on in years...I want to keep it in as original shape as I can!  It is my most valuable and sentimental antique!
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« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2012, 03:51:52 PM »

Don't they make vacuum tubes in the Czech Republic?
Need to burn them a little to keep the moisture out?

Ha! Back in the day a convenience store wasn't one unless
it had a vacuum tube tester and sold replacement tubes.

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« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2012, 09:36:17 PM »


PS-I still have my grandfathers old Philco radio, vacuum tubes and all, that he used to listen to.  It still works!

I'm jealous!

I have no vacuum tube replacements, so I have not turned it on in years...I want to keep it in as original shape as I can!  It is my most valuable and sentimental antique!

I have a mirror at home for those occasions when I'm feeling sentimental about antiques.

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« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2012, 09:41:38 PM »

Don't they make vacuum tubes in the Czech Republic?
Need to burn them a little to keep the moisture out?

Ha! Back in the day a convenience store wasn't one unless
it had a vacuum tube tester and sold replacement tubes.

 I was the one elected to go to the drug store and test and charge the replacement to my pops account.
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« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2012, 06:44:02 AM »
I guess I should look that up, see if I can find some tubes, might be the only radio working some day!
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« Reply #18 on: April 06, 2012, 08:23:21 AM »
I guess I should look that up, see if I can find some tubes, might be the only radio working some day!

There are lots of places to get tubes:

http://www.vacuumtubes.net/
http://www.radiotubesupply.com/
http://www.tubesandmore.com/

and other parts:
http://antiqueradio.org/parts.htm

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« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2012, 08:43:35 AM »

Back then appliances were made to be repaired and for the most part it's easy.
There's probably no board and a heat sink will work most every where. May I
recommend a getting a schematic (if the ink hasn't faded it's probably pasted
under the cover) and buy a few other items that may go out, such as capacitors.

My grandfather also had a Philco which the family was talking about last week.
Coincidence?