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"The Talk" - NonBlack Version
« on: April 07, 2012, 02:48:40 PM »
John Derbyshire, a contributor at National Review, has published a piece at Taki's Magazine that has created a furor among his "conservative" NR colleagues, and drawn condemnation from other sources, because of its "racism".

Derbyshire, an aetheist, writes in the ironic style of Mark Steyn, documenting and often decrying the decline of the West, but has offered no direction in response until now, in a piece that instructs his children on safe behavior in the face of possible Black aggression.

There are calls for Derbyshire's ouster from National Review NOW, which baffles Lawrence Auster:

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... I have argued that given Derbyshire’s aggressive atheism, materialism, and nihilism, and his liberal views on many specific subjects (though not, of course, on immigration), his presence at the supposed flagship magazine of American conservatism was inappropropriate to say the least. In this I was following William F. Buckley’s dictum that a committed atheist who seeks to destroy religion and regards religious people as mentally defective is, by definition, not a conservative. But Derbyshire was kept on at NR, allowed by NR’s eternal-boy editors to keep on undermining conservatism and its Christian basis from within. But now that Derbyshire has said something true about race,—and said it, not in his usual jocular anecdotal personalistic unserious way which has always protected him in the past, but said it seriously, as a set of general propositions that parents should teach their children—it appears that the chestless wonders at NR want to fire him.

If they do fire him, it will mean that NR had no problem with a contributor who violated fundamental tenets of conservatism, but that they do have a problem with a contributor who violates fundamental tenets of liberalism. Which would confirm what I’ve been saying about that ruined hulk of a once-important magazine for the last ten or 15 years.


I've not posted Derbyshire's "offense" here because it contains many links within to fortify its points.  It is definitely worth reading, in view of the events of last year's violence and aggression by "urban youth" and what I fully expect to escalate in the coming months. 

Auster's piece is worthy as well, as a window into the hypocrisy and unwillingness to SEE that runs as rampant in the "conservative community" as it does in the Left.
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Re: "The Talk" - NonBlack Version
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2012, 03:07:10 PM »
Hmmmmm.  Is NRO's Robert Weissberg next?

Or is his piece non-specific enough to escape the "Crimethink" violation?
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Re: "The Talk" - NonBlack Version
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2012, 07:20:09 PM »

If they want to social-engineer this thing correctly they will follow
the Tuskegee model of affirmative action, that is if they really
want a positive outcome.  Of course, we know they don't want
a positive outcome, their Party would lose power and make it
necessary for a complete transformation before again being
competitive.



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Re: "The Talk" - NonBlack Version
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2012, 08:25:10 PM »

If they want to social-engineer this thing correctly they will follow
the Tuskegee model of affirmative action, that is if they really
want a positive outcome.  Of course, we know they don't want
a positive outcome, their Party would lose power and make it
necessary for a complete transformation before again being
competitive.


The "conservative" media?
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Re: "The Talk" - NonBlack Version
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2012, 08:38:30 PM »

Social engineers.

 ::speechless:: I've been reading Michelle's thesis and sentence structure's gone to the dawgs.
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Re: "The Talk" - NonBlack Version
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2012, 09:02:16 PM »
Gotta love the bold truth of number 11:

(Links to supporting studies in original)

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(11) The mean intelligence of blacks is much lower than for whites. The least intelligent ten percent of whites have IQs below 81; forty percent of blacks have IQs that low. Only one black in six is more intelligent than the average white; five whites out of six are more intelligent than the average black. These differences show in every test of general cognitive ability that anyone, of any race or nationality, has yet been able to devise. They are reflected in countless everyday situations. “Life is an IQ test.”

"A strict observance of the written laws is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to written law, would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the means."

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Re: "The Talk" - NonBlack Version
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2012, 09:36:38 PM »

Until after the era of the Great Society there were no packs of
blacks roaming the streets committing crimes upon society,
they knew better and thought better of themselves.  A lower
IQ number does cause one to be more easily swayed by the
crowd but it doesn't cause the crowd or the perspective that
created it. 

It would be an act of intelligence to create an environment
where it is known that this activity is not permitted.  It wouldn't
be politically advantageous though. 


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Re: "The Talk" - NonBlack Version
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2012, 10:57:57 PM »

Until after the era of the Great Society there were no packs of
blacks roaming the streets committing crimes upon society,
they knew better and thought better of themselves.  A lower
IQ number does cause one to be more easily swayed by the
crowd but it doesn't cause the crowd or the perspective that
created it.  

It would be an act of intelligence to create an environment
where it is known that this activity is not permitted.  It wouldn't
be politically advantageous though.  



Not altogether true Charles. In 1962 my family and I were living in New Orleans. Notably, it was the year that the city desegregated the public schools. I was too young to be out after dark but I had two older brothers who weren't. What my folks didn't know when we rented the house we stayed in was that we were situated less than a mile from darktown. There was more than one occasion when my brothers were chased relentlessly for block after block by....packs of blacks roaming the streets committing crimes.

In very short order my parents took us out of public school and enrolled us in one of the private schools that had been hurriedly put together in local churches. I still remember being on the bus and pulling up next to another bus carrying a bunch of blacks and being spit on.

Fortunately my dad got his transfer and we moved the hell out of that city.

I think your basic point is still valid however.

edit: altard-proofed

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Re: "The Talk" - NonBlack Version
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2012, 11:35:37 PM »

The politicization of morality is not a new phenomenon,
but it has gained a new vehemence in recent decades as the traditional sources of moral authority — the church, the family, the local community, etc. — have declined in influence, and as bourgeois virtues (sobriety, chastity, industry, thrift, etc.) have been undermined by the counter-culture.
...

the AIDS crisis of the 1980s spiraled out of control in part because liberals were unwilling to shut down the gay bathouses that profited by facilitating the anonymous promiscuity which spread the pandemic. (David Horowitz and Peter Collier include an amazing chapter on this in their 1989 book, Destructive Generation: Second Thoughts About the Sixties.) The AIDS issue became a moral crusade for liberals, who saw themselves defending the “rights” of an unpopular minority in a battle against oppression, as if the “right” to commercialized sodomy trumped legitimate public health concerns.
...

So in the wee hours this morning, when I noticed people on Twitter giving Dave Weigel grief over something written by John Derbyshire, my reaction was, “What the hell is this about?”

After investigating, I wrote a post:

[blockquote]  While it is impossible to imagine any scenario in which Lowry won’t be forced to fire Derbyshire now, I’m actually more fascinated by the Left’s attempt to bully Weigel for failing to denounce Derbyshire in strong enough terms.[/blockquote]

This is a familiar ritual, The Denunciation Derby, in which liberals demand that everyone compete for the Sweepstakes Prize offered for whoever can express the most indignant outrage against the target
...
Meanwhile, Lowry has fired Derbyshire, describing the offending column as “so outlandish it constitutes a kind of letter of resignation.”


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Re: "The Talk" - NonBlack Version
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2012, 11:54:15 PM »
So, the faux conservative has fired the aethist anti-conservative for FINALLY writing truthfully about the state of the Black race issue in this country?

A pox on all their houses for refusing to SEE and acclaim the Truth.

Derbyshire knew what he was doing; it was a letter of resignation.  With a BANG.  Now, whimper asswipes.
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Re: "The Talk" - NonBlack Version
« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2012, 12:25:24 AM »

A man of constancy and spine, they couldn't take it.

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Re: "The Talk" - NonBlack Version
« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2012, 12:30:25 AM »

A man of constancy and spine, they couldn't take it.

        ...prolly wind up at The American Spectator



Constancy?  Perhaps.  Spine?  Not really.  Read Auster's definition of Derbyshire again, in my first post.  The right liberals at NRO had no problem with his undermining of conservatism until he crossed the liberal line of race realism.  For right liberals, that's the unforgivable no-no.
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Re: "The Talk" - NonBlack Version
« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2012, 12:55:15 AM »

Ok, I went back and the closest I could find of definition was, "I have argued that given Derbyshire’s aggressive atheism, materialism, and nihilism, and his liberal views on many specific subjects..."

My knowledge of him is that he wrote what he believed and he stuck to it, he stood up for it,
he wasn't interested in reaching across anybody's isle.  It takes a spine to do that.

I am sick to my stomach at Republican paucity and it seems that every day they are given
one more example and one more test. And they fail.  They are all so infected with getalong
if they don't wake up they will succumb.  We must help them overcome this failure of heart.
They are in a cocoon (hey Don) and don't see what their inactivity is doing to this nation.

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Re: "The Talk" - NonBlack Version
« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2012, 01:03:10 AM »

Ok, I went back and the closest I could find of definition was, "I have argued that given Derbyshire’s aggressive atheism, materialism, and nihilism, and his liberal views on many specific subjects..."

My knowledge of him is that he wrote what he believed and he stuck to it, he stood up for it,
he wasn't interested in reaching across anybody's isle.  It takes a spine to do that.

I am sick to my stomach at Republican paucity and it seems that every day they are given
one more example and one more test. And they fail.  They are all so infected with getalong
if they don't wake up they will succumb.  We must help them overcome this failure of heart.
They are in a cocoon (hey Don) and don't see what their inactivity is doing to this nation.

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...Derbyshire’s aggressive atheism, materialism, and nihilism, and his liberal views on many specific subjects..."

Auster's analysis is bang-on target.  You'd had to have read Derbyshire at NRO for some time in order to get that, and it is understandable if you've spent your time elsewhere.  He is one of the reasons, just one, I quit NRO.

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My knowledge of him is that he wrote what he believed and he stuck to it, he stood up for it,
he wasn't interested in reaching across anybody's isle.  It takes a spine to do that.

It takes no concession to admit he wrote it.  That he sticks to it is something of which I have no ken at this time; where is his defense written?

Not even the point, CO.  His is one quavering voice in the wilderness right now.
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Re: "The Talk" - NonBlack Version
« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2012, 01:36:54 AM »
Rick Moran, another "right"liberal-talking know-nothing:

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Derbyshire's musings are fodder for those who always want to see racism in the way that whites percieve blacks in America. In fact, perception trumps reality in the black community when it comes to attitudes by whites toward blacks. Part of this is certainly due to the life experience of black Americans who deal with prejudice and bigotry on a daily basis in their contacts with whites

Really?  REALLY?

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But there is also too much a tendency to generalize and stereotype - not surprising because those qualities are part of being human and are hard to resist for anyone of any race.

This is unfair. But it is also the way things are. And there is a fine line between genuine "political correctness" that should be resisted and empathy and sensitivity that stills our thoughts and makes us bite our tongue rather than give voice to our fears, our doubts, and our own flawed perceptions of how blacks view whites. Part of getting along is simply keeping your mouth shut out of respect for the notion that no matter how you say something, it is likely to be misconstrued and therefore, be considered insensitive. "Intent" means little when your words will either be deliberately or innocently twisted to conform to someone's worldview.

Derbyshire goes too far. His qualified, common sense advice on staying safe notwithstanding, there is an ugly undertone to his writing that is, if not racist, then certainly ignorant and shallow. Don't play good Samaritan if a black is "in distress" on the highway? What if the unfortunate needs assistance that would save his life? What kind of lessons is he teaching his children? And while only the most rabid racialist would say something negative about Derbyshire's warning to his kids to avoid heavily black neighborhoods, what is his problem with attending events where there are a lot of blacks, or his advice not to live in a municipality run by black politicians? This is utter nonsense and shows an ignorance profoundly disturbing to the sensibilities of fair minded people.

This is exactly what I'm talking about.  Another Eloi preaching to the Elois.

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Re: "The Talk" - NonBlack Version
« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2012, 02:16:51 AM »

These people don't make sense, they put words together in some
order that makes them feel good.  Their logic makes me dizzy.
American Thinker will publish anyone, it seems.  Darwin will take
care of these people (drunkards and apologists) in his own way. 

Who is this Rick Moran?  Has he ever been cited at IAL before?

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Re: "The Talk" - NonBlack Version
« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2012, 04:31:26 AM »
All Darbyshire did was vocalize what everyone knows to be the truth ... at least anyone with half a brain !

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Re: "The Talk" - NonBlack Version
« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2012, 11:28:10 AM »
This is how thoroughly the Leftist narrative on race has polluted reasoning of society as a whole. One cannot even raise an observation of truth that runs counter to it without suffering a rebuke from a vast majority.

The vast majority of people will never admit the truth, let alone discuss it on the merits. Mobs of Blacks will roam the streets, randomly attacking, robbing, beating, and even killing Whites just because they're White, and no one will be permitted to discuss it with honesty without facing consequences.

Thus, it will take men and women without fear of consequences to bring the truth into the light.
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Re: "The Talk" - NonBlack Version
« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2012, 12:03:44 PM »

These people don't make sense, they put words together in some
order that makes them feel good.  Their logic makes me dizzy.
American Thinker will publish anyone, it seems.  Darwin will take
care of these people (drunkards and apologists) in his own way. 

Who is this Rick Moran?  Has he ever been cited at IAL before?


I thought he was someone I worked with once upon a time (he wasn't) and did some searching for his background. This told me everything I need to know about him and his, er, orientation:

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Advocate of the Year
Working Mother Magazine

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Recognized for my work in inclusion and diversity. This award is given by Working Mother annually. I am the executive sponsor for the LGBT employee resource group at Cisco. I was able to build a cross ERG program around "No Name Calling Week" from GLSEN.org. This was the first time the groups had worked together on a project.

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Re: "The Talk" - NonBlack Version
« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2012, 01:48:06 PM »
I don't know that you've got the correct Rick Moran there, 'Soup. 

The Moran cited above writes for American Thinker, edits for PJ Media, and on his blog, I found this:

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RIGHTWING NUTHOUSE is administered by Rick Moran, a 52 year old libertine from Algonquin, IL.

A freelance writer with more than 15 years experience in grass roots political action, Moran has worked for a number of business trade associations running programs that teach local businessmen how to become active in the political process. Among the trade associations he has worked for at both the national and local level are The Associated Builders and Contractors (ABC) , the American Subcontractors Association (ASA), and the Painting and Decorating Foundation (PDF).

He has been involved in more than 20 political campaigns as both a volunteer and paid staffer, having sat on a dozen or more steering committees as well as acted as speechwriter for a number of local candidates.

Born in Libertyville, IL Moran grew up in Mount Prospect, IL and attended Drake University where he graduated in 1976 with a Bachelor of Fine Arts Degree. He has 9 brothers and sisters, all of whom are much more liberal than he is which makes for interesting family reunions.

His brother Terry hosts the ABC news show Nightline while his brother Greg is a reporter for the San Diego Union.

Then again, who knows.
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