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AMPU - Barney Frank: Obamacare a Mistake
« on: April 17, 2012, 10:18:56 AM »
Hey folks, latest article is up, called "Barney Frank: Obamacare a Mistake."

"In an article published online in the National Journal yesterday afternoon, Rep. Barney Frank talks about how Obamacare was a mistake."

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Re: AMPU - Barney Frank: Obamacare a Mistake
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2012, 11:31:44 AM »
Yup, spot on AMPU, it's always about the power.  At the core of every socialist is an insatiable lust for power and control that these deluded people believe is their birthright.
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Re: AMPU - Barney Frank: Obamacare a Mistake
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2012, 01:28:38 PM »
It's really funny (in a turn your stomach kind of way) that they think everyone and everything should be fair and equal, except for the ones making things fair and equal, of course they are above all that and should have the power and riches that go along with being above everyone else.

Makes me  ::puke::

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Re: AMPU - Barney Frank: Obamacare a Mistake
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2012, 02:12:51 PM »
I wish just for a moment I could see into the hearts of men, so I could know which Leftists  signed onto this monstrosity hesitantly or regretfully, and which ones embraced it fully.

Not that it makes a sh*t bit o' difference, because in the end, it's actions that matter, not intentions or regrets. But I'd simply like to know, is the Democrat party universally populated by soulless, malevolent beasts without conscience? Or, are the majority of them just thralls to ideology and duty to it?

Frankly, (pun only slightly intended) I'm surprised to know that Frank is willing to admit regret, regardless of what motivates it. Being that he is among the most committed and destructive Leftists, it makes me wonder what the spectrum of regret looks like, and where people fall on it. Are there any Democrats who suffer sleepless nights because they realize only now that they sold the country into tyranny? Or are they all tyrants?
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Re: AMPU - Barney Frank: Obamacare a Mistake
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2012, 02:16:56 PM »
Regret in a Democrat is limited to how, not what or why.  On that score I deem them all tyrants and abettors of tyrants!
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Re: AMPU - Barney Frank: Obamacare a Mistake
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2012, 02:30:58 PM »
I wish just for a moment I could see into the hearts of men, so I could know which Leftists  signed onto this monstrosity hesitantly or regretfully, and which ones embraced it fully.

Not that it makes a sh*t bit o' difference, because in the end, it's actions that matter, not intentions or regrets. But I'd simply like to know, is the Democrat party universally populated by soulless, malevolent beasts without conscience? Or, are the majority of them just thralls to ideology and duty to it?

Frankly, (pun only slightly intended) I'm surprised to know that Frank is willing to admit regret, regardless of what motivates it. Being that he is among the most committed and destructive Leftists, it makes me wonder what the spectrum of regret looks like, and where people fall on it. Are there any Democrats who suffer sleepless nights because they realize only now that they sold the country into tyranny? Or are they all tyrants?

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Christopher, Ted Kennedy and a few family members had gathered one night and were having a drink in Mr. Lawford's mother's apartment in Manhattan. Teddy was expansive. .... Then, writes Mr. Lawford, Teddy "took a long, slow gulp of his vodka and tonic, thought for a moment, and changed tack. 'I'm glad I'm not going to be around when you guys are my age.' I asked him why, and he said, 'Because when you guys are my age, the whole thing is going to fall apart.' "

Mr. Lawford continued, "The statement hung there, suspended in the realm of 'maybe we shouldn't go there.' Nobody wanted to touch it. After a few moments of heavy silence, my uncle moved on."

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Kennedy, at the least, suspected.  Yet he kept on.
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Re: AMPU - Barney Frank: Obamacare a Mistake
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2012, 02:46:13 PM »
Bastard.
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« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2012, 02:51:12 PM »
Yup. I don't wonder because I seek to absolve. Only as a curiosity in service of knowing my enemy.
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Re: AMPU - Barney Frank: Obamacare a Mistake
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2012, 02:55:15 PM »
Yup. I don't wonder because I seek to absolve. Only as a curiosity in service of knowing my enemy.

Oh, I know that, IDP.  I simply provided a piece of information to that end, and my evaluation of it.
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Re: AMPU - Barney Frank: Obamacare a Mistake
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2012, 03:24:08 PM »

All of our leadership are behaving identical to drug addicts,
they exist only to serve their master, power and privilege.
They crave it so obsessively they are completely delusional
and see only solutions that serve their master.


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Re: AMPU - Barney Frank: Obamacare a Mistake
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2012, 06:04:07 PM »
Bastard.

I'm thinking more in the line of scum sucking gutter slut.
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Re: AMPU - Barney Frank: Obamacare a Mistake
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2012, 08:23:46 PM »
Thanks AMPU - a good read.

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He’s right, but he’s not saying that Obamacare was a mistake in and of itself.  He’s saying it was a mistake the implement it the way it was implemented.  He’s lamenting the overreach that cost the Democrats strong majorities in both Houses of Congress, not the fact that Obamacare is actually law.


In other words Fwank is merely demonstrating what a fumble-fingered tactician Ø'bozo is. He relies totally on the cult of personality to get the job done. And why not? So far I must shake my head in disbelief at how easily he has gotten away with his sh!t.

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Re: AMPU - Barney Frank: Obamacare a Mistake
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2012, 10:13:46 PM »
I think that a lot of liberals actually believe that they are making America a better place, not the ones with power, but the ones that vote those other bastards in.  Talk to the average liberal on the street and they truly believe that we (America and by extension the government) need to take care of the destitute, regardless of how they got that way.  These liberals think they are good people caring for those that can't (don't or won't) take care of themselves.  They just don't or can't perceive of the inevitable outcome.  Either they assume that there is an infinite amount of money (other peoples money) or just don't think that far ahead.  They are blind to the fact that they are being used, and sleep well at night believing they are good people wanting to help the downtrodden. They are incapable of thinking through the problem and believe that everyone is good and would not ask for a hand out if they could fend for themselves.  These are the elderly that get scammed, the young that think life should be fair the middle aged that feel sorry for those less fortunate.  For the most part they do volunteer and donate their hard earned dollars, but the only people they have issues with are conservatives.  They feel the conservatives don't care about the same things that they do, but they are wrong for the most part.  Conservatives do care but we take a logical look at the situation.  We will not throw good money after bad, we have seen the inner city single mom that has 5 kids (most from different baby daddy's) and is pregnant because that means another $500 per month form uncle sucker.  We have seen our hard earned cash wasted by the government on the mating habits of the South African Te-Tse fly.  We are skeptical of "Global Warming" and don't think that "going green" is anything more than another scam perpetrated on the less inquisitive just to scam even more money from hard working Americans.  As some of these, as we call them, bleeding heart liberals get taken and scammed they wise up and stop giving their time and money, but they still expect America to do the right thing, after all the government has more money then they do and more people working for them that can do the volunteer work.  But they don't realize that that is just a bigger drain on the economy.  I really feel that these liberals don't have the capacity to see boogie man in the closet and assume that everything is going to be OK.  They don't see the train coming off the tracks, or just don't want to believe what we conservatives are telling them.  They don't believe it because their leaders have convinced them that the conservatives are evil and anything we say is a lie.  They are not willing or capable of looking for the truth.  It is kind of like my marriage.  A few months ago I suggested to my wife that since interest rates are low (lower than our current mortgage) we should look into refinancing.  But because she has anger towards me (for whatever reason, I don't know, well maybe I know a some) she wont listen to me.  But the day her father suggested we should look into refinancing she called our loan broker and started the paperwork.  Same suggestion, different messenger, got a result.  She trusted her dad implicitly and his suggestion made sense to her, while mine was not even worthy of listening to.  If there were just one of the liberal leaders that was willing to tell the truth, forgo his political or monetary gain and start speaking the truth the country just might have a fighting chance.  The only hope we have is that there are more conservatives that want to get America back on track and we will have to force it down their throats, much like the current administration is trying to force his agenda down ours.  We need to find a way to show everyone that obama is dividing us in order to conquer us.  They will say that he is already our president, he doesn't need to conquer us.  But they don't see his end game, the total destruction of the greatest nation ever to exist on this lowly rock hurtling its way through space.  They could if they would just think for themselves.
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Re: AMPU - Barney Frank: Obamacare a Mistake
« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2012, 10:35:23 PM »
Preach it, brother!  That's the most I've seen you "say" at one time since you came on board.  Kudos.
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Re: AMPU - Barney Frank: Obamacare a Mistake
« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2012, 11:32:45 PM »
They could if they would just think for themselves.

They'll never be able to think for themselves.  They must be lead and given something to believe in that appeals to their own instincts of self.
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Re: AMPU - Barney Frank: Obamacare a Mistake
« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2012, 06:44:27 AM »
They could if they would just think for themselves.

They'll never be able to think for themselves.  They must be fed lead and or given something (a drug) to believe in that appeals to enhance their own instincts of self long-supressed ability to reason like rational human beings.

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Re: AMPU - Barney Frank: Obamacare a Mistake
« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2012, 10:12:52 AM »
Preach it, brother!  That's the most I've seen you "say" at one time since you came on board.  Kudos.

Thanks Pandora, I had a really odd day yesterday and after reading the OP I felt I had to get it off my chest.  As I have said before I live in So Cal, as you all know there are a few libs here and I have to deal with them all the time.  They are for the most part good and decent people but are afraid (or don't know how) to think for themselves (the publik school system here enforces "group think").  I am fiscally conservative but tend to lean liberally on social issues, but the conservative side understands that you can't give away the farm and expect to stay solvent.  We as a nation need a safety net for the odd times when an individual falls on hard times, but that net can not be permanent.  99 weeks of unemployment?? WTF!!  If a person can't find a job in 10 weeks they are not trying.  Sure we want to make as much money as we can, but not earning any money is a great motivator to take any job just to put food on the table.  I am an engineer and earn a great living but if I were to lose my job I'm not so proud (or lazy) as to not take a job flipping burgers just to keep the family fed (at least long enough to get a better paying job).  What I'm really tired of is the fact that I am a productive member of this once great society and I am the one that is constantly being screwed because the liberals want to house and feed those that are not productive.  I say after some time you have to cut the purse strings and let those that want uncle sugar to take care of them struggle (or perish).
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Re: AMPU - Barney Frank: Obamacare a Mistake
« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2012, 11:06:46 AM »
Do you think the unemployment rate is as high because people don't want work or because jobs of almost any kind are few?  I agree; the idea of 99 weeks of "assistance" is mind-boggling, but the last thing this administration wants is to have people standing in visible public lines, right?  Not that they would get much media attention, but it would bring home to the line-standers how big the mess really is.

As far as allowing a national safety-net, doing that is exactly how we got here.  Private assistance I can do; let government do the "redistribution" and we're right back at screwed.
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« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2012, 11:38:47 AM »
I think that a lot of liberals actually believe that they are making America a better place, not the ones with power, but the ones that vote those other bastards in.  Talk to the average liberal on the street and they truly believe that we (America and by extension the government) need to take care of the destitute, regardless of how they got that way.  These liberals think they are good people caring for those that can't (don't or won't) take care of themselves.  They just don't or can't perceive of the inevitable outcome.  Either they assume that there is an infinite amount of money (other peoples money) or just don't think that far ahead.  They are blind to the fact that they are being used, and sleep well at night believing they are good people wanting to help the downtrodden. They are incapable of thinking through the problem and believe that everyone is good and would not ask for a hand out if they could fend for themselves.  These are the elderly that get scammed, the young that think life should be fair the middle aged that feel sorry for those less fortunate.  For the most part they do volunteer and donate their hard earned dollars, but the only people they have issues with are conservatives.  They feel the conservatives don't care about the same things that they do, but they are wrong for the most part.  Conservatives do care but we take a logical look at the situation.  We will not throw good money after bad, we have seen the inner city single mom that has 5 kids (most from different baby daddy's) and is pregnant because that means another $500 per month form uncle sucker.  We have seen our hard earned cash wasted by the government on the mating habits of the South African Te-Tse fly.  We are skeptical of "Global Warming" and don't think that "going green" is anything more than another scam perpetrated on the less inquisitive just to scam even more money from hard working Americans.  As some of these, as we call them, bleeding heart liberals get taken and scammed they wise up and stop giving their time and money, but they still expect America to do the right thing, after all the government has more money then they do and more people working for them that can do the volunteer work.  But they don't realize that that is just a bigger drain on the economy.  I really feel that these liberals don't have the capacity to see boogie man in the closet and assume that everything is going to be OK.  They don't see the train coming off the tracks, or just don't want to believe what we conservatives are telling them.  They don't believe it because their leaders have convinced them that the conservatives are evil and anything we say is a lie.  They are not willing or capable of looking for the truth.  It is kind of like my marriage.  A few months ago I suggested to my wife that since interest rates are low (lower than our current mortgage) we should look into refinancing.  But because she has anger towards me (for whatever reason, I don't know, well maybe I know a some) she wont listen to me.  But the day her father suggested we should look into refinancing she called our loan broker and started the paperwork.  Same suggestion, different messenger, got a result.  She trusted her dad implicitly and his suggestion made sense to her, while mine was not even worthy of listening to.  If there were just one of the liberal leaders that was willing to tell the truth, forgo his political or monetary gain and start speaking the truth the country just might have a fighting chance.  The only hope we have is that there are more conservatives that want to get America back on track and we will have to force it down their throats, much like the current administration is trying to force his agenda down ours.  We need to find a way to show everyone that obama is dividing us in order to conquer us.  They will say that he is already our president, he doesn't need to conquer us.  But they don't see his end game, the total destruction of the greatest nation ever to exist on this lowly rock hurtling its way through space.  They could if they would just think for themselves.

Exactly right.  Well said sir!
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Re: AMPU - Barney Frank: Obamacare a Mistake
« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2012, 11:40:26 AM »
Do you think the unemployment rate is as high because people don't want work or because jobs of almost any kind are few?  I agree; the idea of 99 weeks of "assistance" is mind-boggling, but the last thing this administration wants is to have people standing in visible public lines, right?  Not that they would get much media attention, but it would bring home to the line-standers how big the mess really is.

As far as allowing a national safety-net, doing that is exactly how we got here.  Private assistance I can do; let government do the "redistribution" and we're right back at screwed.

People having been standing in visible, public lines for nearly four years now.

How much of that have you really seen in media?

I've seen virtually none.
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