Topic: House Republicans Block EPA from Banning Lead in Ammunition

[Libertas]

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/04/house-republicans-block-epa-from-banning-lead-in-ammunition/

Good for the House.  Too bad the Senate will grab ankles and/or Stymie veto.  Anyway, this battle will spill into the appropriations bill, so they better hold firm!

[AlanS]

Damn. I'm stocking up as fast as I can and it seems to be too slow.

[Pandora]

A nearby county built a really nice range, with taxpayer money (what else?), and is open to the public and to law enforcement as well.  A couple of years ago, an "environmental" group started a big, noisy campaign about the "lead dangers"; trace amounts of lead residue making its way from the actual range portion into the rest of the facility, bathrooms, hallways, office and great-room.  A public health-hazard doncha know.

[Libertas]

A nearby county built a really nice range, with taxpayer money (what else?), and is open to the public and to law enforcement as well.  A couple of years ago, an "environmental" group started a big, noisy campaign about the "lead dangers"; trace amounts of lead residue making its way from the actual range portion into the rest of the facility, bathrooms, hallways, office and great-room.  A public health-hazard doncha know.

"Let us assume for the moment everything you say about me is true. That just makes your problem bigger, doesn't it?"

 

[Glock32]

It's such a transparent attempt to attack gun ownership.  WTF do they think lead comes from in the first place?  Lead in the environment rapidly oxidizes, forming a nearly insoluble skin on the surface that prevents further dissolution of the lead into its surroundings.

But how lucky you are to have a nice range nearby Pandora.  I have no public outdoor ranges nearby, the closest one is about 30 miles away.  My preference is some private land out in the boonies.

[Pandora]

It is a nice range; the Sir Raleigh Gun Club runs it.  The guys hover, though.  I had one reach around me once, when the range was "cold", to adjust my unloaded and open wheel-gun on the bench because the barrel was not pointing 100% down-range.

I'd rather shoot in the boonies, m'self.  The light is better outside.

[Alphabet Soup]

It is a nice range; the Sir Raleigh Gun Club runs it.  The guys hover, though.  I had one reach around me once, when the range was "cold", to adjust my unloaded and open wheel-gun on the bench because the barrel was not pointing 100% down-range.

I'd rather shoot in the boonies, m'self.  The light is better outside.

I got banned from a club because of that. Well actually it was because of what I said to the rangemaster. Something along the lines of "You touch my weapons again and you'll be drawing back a bloody stump".

 

[Pandora]

It is a nice range; the Sir Raleigh Gun Club runs it.  The guys hover, though.  I had one reach around me once, when the range was "cold", to adjust my unloaded and open wheel-gun on the bench because the barrel was not pointing 100% down-range.

I'd rather shoot in the boonies, m'self.  The light is better outside.

I got banned from a club because of that. Well actually it was because of what I said to the rangemaster. Something along the lines of "You touch my weapons again and you'll be drawing back a bloody stump".

 

Just so.  Range etiquette requires one ask before touching and that goes for the 'minders too, afaic.  I get the range-safety thing, but there's no reason to hassle people over nonsense.

One other thing I don't get about most ranges is that they insist the weapons brought in are cased and unloaded.  That means I have to unload and stow my concealed-carry piece before entering.  Duh.

[Glock32]

It is a nice range; the Sir Raleigh Gun Club runs it.  The guys hover, though.  I had one reach around me once, when the range was "cold", to adjust my unloaded and open wheel-gun on the bench because the barrel was not pointing 100% down-range.

I'm trying hard to imagine the amount of self-restraint you had to muster....  

I haven't been to a controlled range in a long time, but have heard lots of stories like that. One guy related a story of being ejected from a range because he didn't have the bolt on his AK locked open during the cold range. That would be because AKs don't have a hold-open. With such firearms the accepted practice is to stick a fired case or plastic indicator in the bolt to show that it is not locked and loaded. I guess RO Buzzkill didn't get that memo.

Yep, private land is the way to go if you can.

[Predator Don]

You know what.....lead may become a public health hazard.

[charlesoakwood]

Nice back yard.

1911 at 230 Yards

[Pandora]

"Life is good" because he can at least see the damn gong from there, nevermind hit it.   

[Delta Force]

It is a nice range; the Sir Raleigh Gun Club runs it.  The guys hover, though.  I had one reach around me once, when the range was "cold", to adjust my unloaded and open wheel-gun on the bench because the barrel was not pointing 100% down-range.

I'd rather shoot in the boonies, m'self.  The light is better outside.

I was a range officer for my law enforcement agency and even if one of my troopers didn't have his weapon pointed directly downrange, I wouldn't dream of touching his weapon.  If the weapon really needed to be moved, the trooper was instructed to readjust it and reminded of the necessity of keeping the barrel downrange.

I really need to get a good weapon like the one in my avatar.  You never know when you might be required to reach out and touch someone.

[Pandora]

All due respect, the weapon is unloaded and open.  100% pointed downrange at that point is no more than useless, pointless, repetitious nit-picking.  Particularly with a wheel-gun.  The empty gun is not going to jump off the bench and shoot someone on a range, hot, cold or otherwise.

This kind of bullsht just makes common-sense people nuts and resistant.

[Libertas]

The liability issues today are insane, even ubber-qualified instructors have to have insurance on file with where thye go or they can't teach squat on your local range.  Once again over-zealous lawyers and morons ruin it for everyone else.