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Re: France's HARD left turn
« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2012, 02:32:15 PM »
The question is, what will Le Pen voters do in the next round?  They can't vote for Le Pen again because she's not in the next vote, so their choice is to either stay home or pick one of the remaining two. Neither one of them will address the issues that motivate people to support Le Pen, so it's pretty much a wash on that front.

It's really frustrating how unnecessary the West's decline is. There was absolutely never any need to deliberately import hostile foreigners who created nations-within-nations, and now threaten to replace the hosts.
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« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2012, 07:51:32 PM »
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Under a first-past-the-post system, socialist contender François Hollande would have won Sunday’s presidential election in France: he garnered 28.5% of the vote, while the incumbent Nicolas Sarkozy lagged a bit behind with 27.1%.

Right-wing populist Marine Le Pen received 18.2%. Neo-communist Jean-Luc Mélenchon received 11.1%, and centrist François Bayrou received 9.1%. Five other candidates — including the Green Party’s Eva Joly and local Lyndon Larouche activist Jacques Cheminade — received less than 7% combined.

However, France uses the two-round electoral system (along with beacons of democracy such as Afghanistan, Argentina, Ukraine, and Zimbabwe). Sunday’s ballot was thus no more than a preliminary test — the real election will take place on May 6, when French voters will decide between the two frontrunners only. And here is a splendid paradox: every poll points to a Hollande victory, yet statistics show there is a potential conservative majority and that Sarkozy may still win.
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Re: France's HARD left turn
« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2012, 07:58:15 PM »
It's really frustrating how unnecessary the West's decline is. There was absolutely never any need to deliberately import hostile foreigners who created nations-within-nations, and now threaten to replace the hosts.

It was absolutely necessary to the left's plans.  This isn't something that happened by accident.  The left, so devoted  to Communism/Socialism/Marxism/Enslaving  the Producers, can't have the successful and prosperous Western culture around to demonstrate what an abject failure their policies are. They have to destroy the west and its culture, erase all memory of its track record and functioning, so that the impoverished people living under their control won't miss prosperity. Poverty spread equally will be all they have ever heard of or known.  Why else do you think Russia had the iron curtain?

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Re: France's HARD left turn
« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2012, 07:59:30 PM »

If one did not vote in the first round is he permitted to vote in the second?

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Re: France's HARD left turn
« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2012, 08:33:59 PM »

If one did not vote in the first round is he permitted to vote in the second?


No idea CO...
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Re: France's HARD left turn
« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2012, 02:48:25 PM »
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Looks like the French voters have effectively torpedoed any hope of the EU recovering. I think this guarantees that the EU is doomed. A full-on socialist is going to completely destroy what good aspects of the french economy had remained. The EU is now going to have to try to bail out France and the world economy is in for one bumpy ride (not that it wasn't prior to this, but this just made it worse)...

...handbasket, meet hell.
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Re: France's HARD left turn
« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2012, 03:01:33 PM »
This is not good.

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Mr Sarkozy, who has been in office since 2007, had promised to reduce France's large budget deficit through spending cuts.

The socialist candidate has promised to raise taxes on big corporations and people earning more than 1m euros a year.

He wants to raise the minimum wage, hire 60,000 more teachers and lower the retirement age from 62 to 60 for some workers.

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Hollande's victory could have far-reaching implications on Europe's debt woes. According to the Associated Press, Hollande has promised a 75-percent income tax on the rich and "wants to re-negotiate a European treaty on trimming budgets to avoid more debt crises of the kind facing Greece."
 
Indeed, Hollande's victory will be seen as a challenge to "German-dominated policy of economic austerity in the euro zone, which is suffering from recession and record unemployment," the New York Times said.
 
During their respective campaigns, both candidates had promised to balance France's budget within five years.
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Re: France's HARD left turn
« Reply #27 on: May 06, 2012, 03:49:27 PM »

Me thinks Frau Merkel will not get along
quite as well with Mssr. Hollande as with
Mssr. Sarkozy.

Après Hollandele, le déluge ...

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Re: France's HARD left turn
« Reply #28 on: May 06, 2012, 04:14:29 PM »
  Say bye bye Eurozone!!
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Re: France's HARD left turn
« Reply #29 on: May 06, 2012, 04:15:26 PM »
Well, if you're planning to go to France I'd do it this summer while all the french think they've hit the lottery.  Because in about a year there's going to be one  unhappy country and I'm guessing the Germans will get blamed and all hell will break loose.
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« Reply #30 on: May 06, 2012, 04:24:50 PM »
My in-laws are going to France this summer. I wonder how fast this will destroy the country? You're probably right LV, about a year. It's tough to guess though because France is at the edge of the cliff right now. A small nudge and it's going over.

My in-laws may want to re-think this vacation I think...
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« Reply #31 on: May 06, 2012, 04:48:28 PM »
  Obam will be out extending his hand in support and frienship as soon as he can.
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Re: France's HARD left turn
« Reply #32 on: May 06, 2012, 05:07:44 PM »
My in-laws are going to France this summer. I wonder how fast this will destroy the country? You're probably right LV, about a year. It's tough to guess though because France is at the edge of the cliff right now. A small nudge and it's going over.

My in-laws may want to re-think this vacation I think...


I would guess this summer will be ok because if they hire all those people for teaching positions and lower the retirement age it will take a few months for that to kick in and the full effects won't be felt until next year when they begin to see the money dry up.

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The euro fell to a three-week low as French Socialist Francois Hollande was elected President and Greek voters flocked to anti-bailout parties, stoking concern austerity efforts in Europe may be derailed.
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« Reply #33 on: May 06, 2012, 05:26:56 PM »
My in-laws are going to France this summer. I wonder how fast this will destroy the country? You're probably right LV, about a year. It's tough to guess though because France is at the edge of the cliff right now. A small nudge and it's going over.

My in-laws may want to re-think this vacation I think...

I would guess this summer will be ok because if they hire all those people for teaching positions and lower the retirement age it will take a few months for that to kick in and the full effects won't be felt until next year when they begin to see the money dry up.

and a side note:

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The euro fell to a three-week low as French Socialist Francois Hollande was elected President and Greek voters flocked to anti-bailout parties, stoking concern austerity efforts in Europe may be derailed.
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If it was France alone I wouldn't be questioning it because I think you'd be right. Trouble is there is the Greek situation you've linked as well as the other countries all on the verge (Ireland, Italy, Portugal and Spain) and Merkel is losing some control in Germany as well. I'm just wondering how fast this will happen now. There's a lot of factors here if things start the downhill slide fast we could be looking at riots in Europe this summer or fall.  
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Re: France's HARD left turn
« Reply #34 on: May 06, 2012, 07:37:05 PM »
A) Europeans clearly desire a strong, centralized government that manages their lives from cradle to grave.

B) The Germans are particularly adept at providing it, wanted or not.

I think this problem already has a built-in answer. Maybe we should have let them do their thing back when.

Who are we kidding anyway? Europeans love to kill each other every generation or so, they used to even have a darkly comic expression "Every generation gets a war!".  The post-WW2 decades have been an anomaly, largely imposed by the dichotomy of two more powerful entities on their respective peripheries. That dichotomy no longer exists. Economic woes are only going to get worse, and they're already pointing the fingers at each other. The only winners here will be the Muslim invaders these morons foolishly invited into their lands.
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Re: France's HARD left turn
« Reply #35 on: May 06, 2012, 11:21:41 PM »
My in-laws are going to France this summer. I wonder how fast this will destroy the country? You're probably right LV, about a year. It's tough to guess though because France is at the edge of the cliff right now. A small nudge and it's going over.

My in-laws may want to re-think this vacation I think...

I would guess this summer will be ok because if they hire all those people for teaching positions and lower the retirement age it will take a few months for that to kick in and the full effects won't be felt until next year when they begin to see the money dry up.

and a side note:

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The euro fell to a three-week low as French Socialist Francois Hollande was elected President and Greek voters flocked to anti-bailout parties, stoking concern austerity efforts in Europe may be derailed.
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If it was France alone I wouldn't be questioning it because I think you'd be right. Trouble is there is the Greek situation you've linked as well as the other countries all on the verge (Ireland, Italy, Portugal and Spain) and Merkel is losing some control in Germany as well. I'm just wondering how fast this will happen now. There's a lot of factors here if things start the downhill slide fast we could be looking at riots in Europe this summer or fall.  

That is a good point--the cumulative effect--I had overlooked. 
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Re: France's HARD left turn
« Reply #36 on: May 06, 2012, 11:55:03 PM »
Well, I hope you're right LV so that their trip isn't ruined by rioting idiots. Still, we went out to dinner with them this evening and I made sure to catch them up to speed on the possibility. Their contingency is to just visit the UK instead if France is all gummed up. They really enjoy touring the UK anyway and were only planing to visit France because they hadn't really done so yet.
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Re: France's HARD left turn
« Reply #37 on: May 07, 2012, 05:18:52 AM »
  Obam will be out extending his hand in support and frienship as soon as he can.

Are you kidding ? Stymie called him first thing and invited his Commie ass the White House . No sh*t !

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Re: France's HARD left turn
« Reply #38 on: May 07, 2012, 07:27:02 AM »
  Obam will be out extending his hand in support and frienship as soon as he can.

Are you kidding ? Stymie called him first thing and invited his Commie ass the White House . No sh*t !

Saw that on Drudge.

The end is near!



We better discuss disbanding NATO in this Chicago meeting...we ought to get our "special weapons" out of Europe before she decends into hell anyway...that gives us a year or two at most to get the hell out of the way.

We are now where The Founders were when they faced despotism.

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Re: France's HARD left turn
« Reply #39 on: May 07, 2012, 09:29:10 AM »
Also on drudge-juxtaposition:


FRANCE TURNS LEFT...
Battle with Berlin...
EU DRAMA...
Sarkozy latest victim of anti-incumbent backlash...
Hollande: 'My real enemy is world of finance'...
Obama invites to White House...
New First Lady nicknamed 'Rottweiler'...
Wealthy eye move across Channel...
MARKETS PLUNGE AFTER POLL RESULTS...
Euro Weakens...


All we need now is Hollande blaming Sarkozy for his poor economic results.  Liberals don't get that the grudgers will never play along. JWho is John Galt?