Topic: Sowell - Socialist or Fascist.

[Weisshaupt]

Sowell seems to have reached the same conclusion. 

http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2012/06/12/socialist_or_fascist/page/full/

[charlesoakwood]

Government ownership of the means of production means that politicians also own the consequences of their policies, and have to face responsibility when those consequences are disastrous -- something that Barack Obama avoids like the plague.

[Libertas]

Either way, what practical difference is there between a crony capitalist fascist and a full blown communist?  Both oppress, enslave and murder their own population, making it easier to commit more and more horrific crimes upon ones neighbors...and freedom and liberty are nonexistent except for cronies and apparatchiks.

[Alphabet Soup]

A couple of quibbles.

Øbozo may be marxist but he isn't Marxist. He is (was) a Socialist at one time because he was registered with and offshoot Socialist party group in Chicago. Obliviously he isn't a part of their group any longer.

I agree with Sowell that Øbozo avoids responsibility like the plague. But you only need to look at the GM bailout to see that Øbozo has no reservations about nationalizing (for all intents and purposes) any American enterprise. It is how he goes about doing so that allows him to wriggle his way around the responsibility part.

Yes, I believe that Øbozo is an economic fascist. He has learned his lessons well and knows how to selectively apply the principles of Nationalism whilst letting other parts to go fallow. Øbozo is shameless in this and will lie straight-face in his propagandizing. Most people want to see people as intrinsically honorable and in so doing accept Øbozo's lies at face value.

[Libertas]

A couple of quibbles.

Øbozo may be marxist but he isn't Marxist. He is (was) a Socialist at one time because he was registered with and offshoot Socialist party group in Chicago. Obliviously he isn't a part of their group any longer.

I agree with Sowell that Øbozo avoids responsibility like the plague. But you only need to look at the GM bailout to see that Øbozo has no reservations about nationalizing (for all intents and purposes) any American enterprise. It is how he goes about doing so that allows him to wriggle his way around the responsibility part.

Yes, I believe that Øbozo is an economic fascist. He has learned his lessons well and knows how to selectively apply the principles of Nationalism whilst letting other parts to go fallow. Øbozo is shameless in this and will lie straight-face in his propagandizing. Most people want to see people as intrinsically honorable and in so doing accept Øbozo's lies at face value.

       

[AlanS]

Most people want to see people as intrinsically honorable and in so doing accept Øbozo's lies at face value.

Like this?

[charlesoakwood]

Yep, after he's convicted 28% of voters will not believe it.

[IronDioPriest]

I think Obama's fascist tendencies are the net result of socialism truncated by political reality.

He does not abstain from nationalizing industry because he is ideologically predisposed to let private interests assume the risk, but rather, because he does not possess the political capital to nationalize industries outright.

Does anyone doubt that if he thought he could oversee a federal government that would consume private means of production and make that government the sole provider of goods and services to the populace that he would not hesitate? I don't.

[Libertas]

I agree IDP.  I think 'Soup's points are good too, I think Obama likes the power aspects of either ideology, and would fully employ the worst of both to achieve his aims.

[Weisshaupt]

Does anyone doubt that if he thought he could oversee a federal government that would consume private means of production and make that government the sole provider of goods and services to the populace that he would not hesitate? I don't.

It could be he is politically astute enough to know he lacks the political capital to do such a take over. But Astute is never a word I would use to describe him.  If he were a Marxist True Believer, the deals he is making with banks, and with Big Pharma, or even with BP over the oil spill would grate upon him.  A smart and astute politician would keep those thoughts and feelings to themselves and pragmatically accept the advances they could get. I  don't see the petulant child in office having that sort of self control.

I really do think he just wants to see the world burn. I don't think its about control for him. Its about Justice. Its about punishing those evil bitter clinging white Christian Americans for their imperialism and racism. "Social Justice" is a tool in that toolbox, but if he can push the banks and the country into more debt and destroy our prosperity by encouraging the excesses of (Crony)  Capitalism, he will do that do as well. If there is an opportunity to insult  or hurt the American people, he tends to take it, regardless of the political capital spent, or the political avenues it closes.  Sometimes his handlers can prevent it, because they have that Marxist agenda and will to power. But I am not sure our malignant narcissist in Chief cares.  He has 40 years of bitterness over being abandoned by his Socialist father, the teachings of Black Theology, the teachings of Islam,   anti-Americanism from living abroad, and a lack of identity that Guide him. I think he  just wants to make sure he leaves a mark on the world. Obama was here. If that mark is Black and Blue, it wont bother him, any more than his reputation in the Choom Gang "bothered him" - He was proud of being that smart ass doper he was , and now he is proud of being able to punk the rest of the world that looked down on him as the little unloved, unethical, rat bastard he was, and is.