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Turkey & Syria
« on: June 26, 2012, 08:54:14 PM »
There is this article from the Old Gray Hag, which is standard Old Gray Hag fare.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/27/world/middleeast/turkey-seeks-nato-backing-in-syria-dispute.html?_r=1&hp

And so far NATO appears to be taking marching orders and doing Turkey's begging.  From that standpoint there may be the False Flag operation the fevered Libertarians fear/long-for by PaulBots commenting at ZH (see below).

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-absurdity-nato

While I am not of the fevered PaulBotian mindset I have been saying since The Wall fell and the old Soviet Empire crumbled that the structure of NATO should have been modified to a looser information sharing role and not a hard military organization and mutual defense pact.  And certainly once the former Soviet satellites broke away and regained their independence any continued NATO umbrela as constituted would have a thorn-in-the-ass when dealing with subsequent Russian regimes (not that I care particularly, but the fragile Russian ego and fear that they do not belong culturally or historically with European nations [they don't by the way] should have been an obvious consideration in structuring any forward-thinking relationship with our European allies and emerging former East Bloc nations) with respect toward defense and diplomatic missions.  Anyway, much of that debate was ignored or skipped over, but as of now the mission of NATO is over.  The Europeans are fully capable of defending themselves, we have no compelling interest in being there in force.  We can lease the bases we are currently using for logistical support and bring the forward deployed elements home.  I see no compelling argument to the contrary.

ZH then posted this article later in the day, continuing the "OMG, another Gulf of Tonkin/Illegal War/False Flag" eme and triggering a new round of hyerbolic hysterical comments.  I swear the PaulBots both fear the ignition of WWIII and applaud its start.  These people scare the crap outta me sometimes.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/turkey-mobilizing-media-manipulation-provocation-or-reality

Anyway, it appears Erdogan is getting the NATO boys to pay lip service to his desires but it is yet to be seen if when push comes to shove NATO continues to be led by the nose.  As far as all the conspiracy crap goes, I could see Obama itching for another conflict just to distract everyone back here from a sh*tty economy, F&F and Leakgate.  But he needs more dance partners to get that card filled.

We have ZERO interest in Syria as long as Israel is not threatened, and by threatened I mean they can't handle any cross border spillage themselves (and I have no doubt they can as long as it stays contained).  If this thing broadens then all bets are off.

And it all could have been avoided had NATO gone the way of the Dodo.
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Re: Turkey & Syria
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2012, 10:20:26 PM »

Wasn't it Erdogan who denied us transit rights when we were going into
Iraq?  I certainly was Turkey.  Pootie is supping Syria who's supplying
Turkey?  We ought to let them blow each other up.


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Re: Turkey & Syria
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2012, 02:58:55 AM »
NATO has basically been a case of us eagerly cosigning on loans for a bunch of extended family with dodgy credit scores. They get the benefit of the shiny car in the driveway, and we get to pay all the bills when they predictably shrug their shoulders. Everyone knows NATO, at least operationally, has always been the anglophone part of it -- us, the Brits, the Canadians. The continental Europeans were glad to rest in the shade of our umbrella for all those decades, even as they sanctimoniously accused us of being belligerent and unsophisticated for lacking their elaborate social spending (which is a fine argument to make when you're letting some other country's tax payers foot your defense bill).
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Re: Turkey & Syria
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2012, 07:22:29 AM »

Wasn't it Erdogan who denied us transit rights when we were going into
Iraq?  I certainly was Turkey.  Pootie is supping Syria who's supplying
Turkey?  We ought to let them blow each other up.



Yes they did, just like the French refused us air rights when we raided Libya.

Eff Turkey, they're just one step away from creating another Muzzie kingdom anyway, could care less what happens to those morons.
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Re: Turkey & Syria
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2012, 08:18:20 AM »
Wow, Russia is so not helping the situation.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/heavy-fighting-around-syrian-capital-activists-080343616.html

I hope the rooskies get red-assed over this, about the only good I can see...
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Re: Turkey & Syria
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2012, 01:31:56 PM »
Rooskies sending Mi-25 gunships to Syria with warship escort.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/saudiarabia/9398597/Russian-ship-with-helicopters-for-Syrian-regime-sets-sail-again.html

Concerns over chemical weapons.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2173148/Syria-begun-moving-chemical-weapons-stockpile-storage-U-S-warns.html

Isn't about time Stymie goes over to bow and kiss fellow tyrant ass?  That will make it all better!

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Re: Turkey & Syria
« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2012, 03:27:02 PM »

He's not going to move till Valerie tells him to and
they've got her tied up in the basement.

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Re: Turkey & Syria
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2012, 03:39:29 PM »
Yeah, takes a lot of time out of the day to help Holder shred doc's and Turbo Timmy to print money and rewrite healthcare regs!

The real work is left for adults, too bad there aren't any.
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Re: Turkey & Syria
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2012, 02:28:06 AM »
Rooskies sending Mi-25 gunships to Syria with warship escort.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/saudiarabia/9398597/Russian-ship-with-helicopters-for-Syrian-regime-sets-sail-again.html

Concerns over chemical weapons.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2173148/Syria-begun-moving-chemical-weapons-stockpile-storage-U-S-warns.html

Isn't about time Stymie goes over to bow and kiss fellow tyrant ass?  That will make it all better!

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Looks like we'll now see the WMDs from Iraq in action . C.I.A. found the paperwork when Baghdad fell which documented Saddam's inventory of 5,000 liters of concentrated serin but the stuff was missing . It has always been suspected by the agency that the serin was shipped out of the country or buried in the western desert prior to our invasion .

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Re: Turkey & Syria
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2012, 06:47:06 AM »
Yup, that crap went out the backdoor faster than you could say "Nebuchadnezzar"!
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Re: Turkey & Syria
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2012, 11:36:39 AM »
The Rooskies & Chi-Com's throw up roadblocks, Assad flees for the coast and Civil War/Regional War is asssured.

Awesome.  And an impotent little-feared Stymie can't do squat about it.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/19/russia-china-veto-sanctions-on-syria/?hpt=hp_t1

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9412126/Syria-Bashar-al-Assad-flees-to-Latakia.html
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Re: Turkey & Syria
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2012, 04:39:09 PM »

 
(Asia Times) – German intelligence estimates that “around 90? terror attacks that “can be attributed to organizations that are close to al-Qaeda or jihadist groups” were carried out in Syria between the end of December and the beginning of July, as reported by the German daily Die Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ). This was revealed by the German government in a response to a parliamentary question.

In response to the same question, the German government admitted that it had received several reports from the German foreign intelligence service, the BND, on the May 25 massacre in the Syrian town of Houla. But it noted that the content of these reports was to remain classified “by reason of national interest”, Like many other Western governments, Germany expelled Syria’s ambassador in the immediate aftermath of the massacre, holding the Syrian government responsible for the violence.

Meanwhile, at least three major German newspapers – Die Welt, the FAZ, and the mass-market tabloid Bild – have published reports attributing responsibility for the massacre to anti-government rebel forces or treating this as the most probable scenario.

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Re: Turkey & Syria
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2012, 09:04:21 AM »
Yeah CO, but you know nothing can be allowed ruin the narrative begun by Obama and carried out through the Arab Spring that the rebels are the good guys and the existing government are the bad guys!

Didn't you get the Obama Regime talking points via the MFM?!
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All we need to know about the "rebels" we learned in Egypt.  Well, some of us learned, most are deluded or clueless as to what really happened.  And in Syria it can be said with great confidence that there are not nice players on either team, the best result for us would be they both kill each other off.
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Re: Turkey & Syria
« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2012, 12:15:23 AM »

http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArticlePrintPreview/1,2506,L-4262478,00.html

President Barack Obama [who dreams of himself] and Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan [who dreams of a new Ottoman Empire] spoke by telephone Monday "to coordinate efforts to accelerate a political transition in Syria," the White House said.


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Re: Turkey & Syria
« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2012, 06:39:38 AM »
Hmmm....   ::thinking::

Smells like a Turkish puppet state is in the offing, which won't go over well with the radicals, so another Lebanon it is then, eh?

 ::facepalm::

 ::cussing::  morons!
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Re: Turkey & Syria
« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2012, 07:05:22 AM »
Obama siding with the muzzie radicals...again...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/01/us-usa-syria-obama-order-idUSBRE8701OK20120801

No word from Congress, but the word ought to be "cut", as in funding!

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Re: Turkey & Syria
« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2012, 11:19:40 AM »
Kofi says he's done.

http://news.yahoo.com/annan-quits-international-syria-mediator-u-n-ban-150828529.html

He was done before he had begun!  Some people are a little slow on the up-take.

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Re: Turkey & Syria
« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2012, 11:40:25 AM »
Syrian PM defects, supports rebels, calls Assad Regime "terrorist"....

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/06/us-syria-crisis-idUSBRE8610SH20120806

Hilarious.  When the rebels prove more radical than Assad's gang, will they be called an "extremely radical terrorist" regime?

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« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2012, 08:01:07 PM »

Link

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-08-10/u-dot-s-dot-may-help-create-syrian-no-fly-zone-cohen-says

"The U.S. and allied forces probably will impose a “no-fly zone” over Syria and take other “more aggressive action” against the Syrian regime, former Defense Secretary William Cohen said.

More from Bloomberg:

    "I think that the United States is not going to go into this alone," said Cohen, who served as defense secretary during the NATO air strikes in the Kosovo conflict during the Clinton administration. ...

Isn't it all just so freaking amazing?

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Re: Turkey & Syria
« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2012, 09:25:11 AM »
It is all so tragic and unamazing...recycling failure though is a hallmark of Libiots and weakminded Pentagon REMFs.
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