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Roll-your-own cigarette operations to be snuffed out

A tiny amendment buried in the federal transportation bill to be signed today by President Barack Obama will put operators of roll-your-own cigarette operations in Las Vegas and nationwide out of business at midnight.

Robert Weissen, with his brothers and other partners, own nine Sin City Cigarette Factory locations in Southern Nevada, including six in Las Vegas, and one in Hawaii. He said when the bill is signed their only choice is to turn off their 20 RYO Filling Station machines and lay off more than 40 employees.

"We'll stay open for about another week to sell tubes and tobacco just to get through our inventory, but without the use of the RYO machines, we won't be staying open," he said.

The machines are used by customers who buy loose tobacco and paper tubes from the shop and then turn out a carton of finished cigarettes in as little as 10 minutes, often varying the blend to suit their taste. Savings are substantial - at $23 per carton, half the cost of a name-brand smoke - in part because loose tobacco is taxed at a lower rate.

"These cigarettes are different because there are benefits in saving money and in how they make you feel," said Amy Hinds, a partner who operates the Sin City Cigarette Factory at Craig and Decatur.

"These cigarettes don't have any of the chemicals in them, and the papers are chemical-free, unlike the cartons people buy from Philip Morris."

But a few paragraphs added to the transportation bill changed the definition of a cigarette manufacturer to cover thousands of roll-your-own operations nationwide. The move, backed by major tobacco companies, is aimed at boosting tax revenues.

Faced with regulation costs that could run to hundreds of thousands of dollars, RYO machine owners nationwide are shutting down more than 1,000 of the $36,000 machines.

"I feel it's kind of shaky,'' Wiessen said. "The man who pushed for this bill is Sen. (Max) Baucus from Montana, and he received donations from Altria, a parent company of Philip Morris. Interestingly enough, there are also no RYO machines in the state of Montana. It really makes me question the morals and values of our elected speakers."

Sierra Bawden, a single mom with two kids who started rolling her own smokes at Hind's shop three months ago, said cost is only one factor.

"It saves me time and money, and in the end I feel better because I don't get all of the chemicals that the other cigarettes have," Bawden said. "With the brand-name cigarettes, we pay for the chemicals and the name, and I don't want any of that, so I don't even know what I'll do when the shop closes down."

In Southern Nevada, there are two basic RYO business models: traditional smoke shops that also sell brand-name cigarettes, hookah and smoking paraphernalia, and RYO lounges that sell only loose tobacco and materials.

"Our stores are like lounges where our customers can buy the pieces for the product then roll them by hand or use the machine to make their cigarettes," Wiessen said. "It's a relaxed environment. Rolling a carton of cigarettes by hand can take one person up to three hours."

Even before the bill is signed, Hinds' location on Craig Road was already feeling the pinch. They were to close Thursday because suppliers stopped delivering needed materials last week.

Wiessen and others are attempting to mount a petition drive asking for relief from the new regulations and are talking to lawyers now to explore their options.

"As it stands right now, we'll have no choice but to shut down at midnight on Friday, but we're not giving up," Wiessen said. "We have to see what our lawyers tell us and go from there."

"A strict observance of the written laws is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to written law, would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the means."

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Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Confession of a former smoker: I always hated the habit. It took me several tries before quitting "took". The hardest part was to do a gig and be surrounded by smokers. It seemed like decades before the hankerings dissipated. All throughout that I thought that RYO was the best choice because it made you put some kind of effort into smoking (however minimal).

That's been the problem with smoking - it's too easy. Have a whole carton of smokes handy and before you know it you literally blow your way through it. I did RYO even before taxes were a consideration. The tobacco was superior and didn't have the chemicals that cigarettes have. I thought they tasted better, although you did have to pick flecks of loose tobacco out of your mouth on occasion.

Mostly that wasn't an issue since I had had plenty of practice rolling my own  ::pimp::

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It's never been a secret that it was only a matter of time.  The takers of society have always been a year or two behind the entrepreneurs but they always catch up in the end.  I did the Yessmoke thing for a couple of years but the the takers did catch up to them.  Our own Client #9 took time off from banging his hookers long enough to pretty much single handedly shut them down.

Just quit, and thereby quit feeding the takers of society.  That (and some Chantix  ::laughonfloor:: ) should be enough motivation.


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Our local smoke shop is called Puffs.Was in Thur after I first read about this to get my rolling tobacco.
Guy told me that this (little?) chain of stores had to lay off 1/2 their employees.
I read elsewhere that these machines cost $35 K

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Another facet of the emerging economic fascism. Business A pays more taxes than its indirect competition, Business B. Therefore Business B must be sacrificed for the good of the state.
"A strict observance of the written laws is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to written law, would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the means."

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Red State reported this morning that a little contribution from Philip Morris to Max Baucus got this slipped into the Highway bill

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Red State reported this morning that a little contribution from Philip Morris to Max Baucus got this slipped into the Highway bill

Which reminds me of Tim Pawlenty's Greatest Hit.  Funny thing happens when we let lawyer trash sue Big Tobacco, and get them to settle up, at the cost of several dollars a carton.  That leaves an opening for those that weren't sued for breaking the law.  Well, lo and behold, Little Tobacco started gaining market share as they weren't paying massive fees to lawyers.  Enter Tim Pawlenty to penalize Little Tobacco for not breaking the law, with a special tax of several dollars a carton.

If any here need any motivation to quit, sticking to the trash that have been behind this clusterfluke should be enough.  And let's face it.  Having the Obama  off my back has been nice.