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Re: It is time to quarantine Africa
« Reply #60 on: September 23, 2014, 11:57:37 AM »
I am more concerned about Islamic types using this as a low tech biological weapon.  I've already heard about them promoting the idea of suicide "bombers" deliberately infecting themselves so they can spread the infection to Western targets.

I don't see much way to deal with this other than trying to contain it geographically.

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Re: It is time to quarantine Africa
« Reply #61 on: September 23, 2014, 10:36:14 PM »
This evening's Drudge ebola headline link is...

CDC: Ebola Scare For Millions

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The Ebola epidemic in West Africa, already ghastly, could get worse by orders of magnitude, killing hundreds of thousands of people and embedding itself in the human population for years to come, according to two worst-case scenarios from scientists studying the historic outbreak.

The virus could potentially infect 1.4 million people in Liberia and Sierra Leone by the end of January, according to a statistical forecast by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention published Tuesday. That number came just hours after a report in the New England Journal of Medicine warned that the epidemic might never be fully controlled and that the virus could become endemic, crippling civic life in the affected countries and presenting an ongoing threat of spreading elsewhere.

These dire scenarios from highly respected medical sources were framed, however, by optimism from U.S. officials that an accelerated response can and will contain the outbreak in the weeks and months ahead.

So, as I highlighted above, this would be the pessimist point of view...that what we are seeing is pretty much hopeless and doomed to spiral out of control.

I'm not so sure that this is what will happen. I'm not so sure that it is inevitable that without extraordinary human intervention (super quarantines, etc.) this thing is not stoppable.

From what I have read about previous ebola outbreaks the disease's progress seems to reach a breaking point and it just stops. No one knows why but it just does. And then it disappears back into whatever hole that it hides in until, just as mysteriously, it pops up again.

If this time it's different, if this time it doesn't just stop of its own accord, then I have to believe that it will be due to someone(s) exercising their choice to spread it purposefully...as a weapon of chaos.

I can see it getting loose in a third world mega city. These mega cities are more populous than ever now with several million people living in something akin to "Soylent Green" type conditions (think Mexico City, Rio De Janeiro, Dhaka, etc.). This is the perfect storm scenario for any infectious disease. Ebola is not much different (and in not being airborne it isn't worse) than many other communicable diseases at least as far as its ability to spread goes. Where it does stand out is 1) how little of it is needed to infect, 2) how horrid it is after the symptoms appear and 3) how high its mortality rate is. It scares the sh*t out of people for a lot of very good reasons. Personally, I don't want to go anywhere near something that can swell my testicles up to the size of peaches and then make them explode. In a big city this could be very bad.

At any rate, I suppose we will know sooner rather than later whether this is hysteria or the real thing. I mean, take AGW, for instance...the doom predictions for that are decades out and most of the world will forget all about them before that date arrives. But, with this we only have to wait until January or February of next year. That's not very far out. This thing will either do nothing or it will be horrible beyond belief or something in between. Something in between, though, will still be pretty awful.

And if it does become "weaponized" by way of a biological suicide "bomber" it could end up in the US or in the EU and then we are into a whole other scenario.

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Re: It is time to quarantine Africa
« Reply #62 on: September 26, 2014, 01:56:28 AM »
I am beginning to think that there is a very good chance that Sierra Leone and Liberia may not survive as countries. Not as we have seen them prior to this year. I say this because it looks as if they are not up to containing the outbreak and are probably looking at nearly everyone being infected before long. Since this strain of ebola has a 50% mortality rate...well, can any country survive if it loses half of its population?
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Re: It is time to quarantine Africa
« Reply #63 on: September 26, 2014, 06:57:45 AM »
I am beginning to think that there is a very good chance that Sierra Leone and Liberia may not survive as countries. Not as we have seen them prior to this year. I say this because it looks as if they are not up to containing the outbreak and are probably looking at nearly everyone being infected before long. Since this strain of ebola has a 50% mortality rate...well, can any country survive if it loses half of its population?

No.

But can any nation also survive by committing any kind of suicide?  Look what Obama is doing to everything, especially the military!

And given this enterovirus outbreak here continues to spread and baffle doc's...

There is a host of things that can end our or any/every other nation on this planet, but it sure seems like the population of things keeps hitting new highs!
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Re: It is time to quarantine Africa
« Reply #64 on: September 29, 2014, 02:05:56 AM »
Okay, here is something which is pretty damned real. Seems that the hospital which treated the TWO Americans who were infected in Africa couldn't find anyone to haul away the highly infectious medical waste that was generated. Article claims that at the height of the "treatment" process they were generating 40 sacks of sh*t, puke and blood per day. I would be burning the crap but that's me. They couldn't get their waste disposal company to haul it away because the waste company cited federal regs for doing so that the hospital was not meeting.

In the end we will die from government regs just as sure as the day is long.
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Re: It is time to quarantine Africa
« Reply #65 on: September 29, 2014, 02:24:21 AM »
Burning it in what?  Burning it in the open may create an airborne infection vector: air, vapor, smoke.
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Re: It is time to quarantine Africa
« Reply #66 on: September 29, 2014, 07:09:35 AM »
Burning it in what?  Burning it in the open may create an airborne infection vector: air, vapor, smoke.

Hopsitals have to contain all hazardous medical waste for transport (orange "biohazard" labels) and they almost always contract this service so the stuff can be hauled off for inceneration, and the vendor will sanitize barrels before return use.
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Re: It is time to quarantine Africa
« Reply #67 on: October 20, 2014, 11:19:19 AM »
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Re: It is time to quarantine Africa
« Reply #68 on: October 20, 2014, 12:20:14 PM »
Burning it in what?  Burning it in the open may create an airborne infection vector: air, vapor, smoke.

Hopsitals have to contain all hazardous medical waste for transport (orange "biohazard" labels) and they almost always contract this service so the stuff can be hauled off for inceneration, and the vendor will sanitize barrels before return use.


I actually saw one of those "how do they do it?" TV shows about this.  The clinical staff bags everything in the biohazard bags, and the company that collects them runs them through a big steam vessel. The steam sterilizes the waste, which then goes into a shredding and sorting machine.  The shredded and sorted (plastic, metal, etc) materials then run on a conveyor line into an industrial microwave for an additional sterilization. At that point it's treated as ordinary waste and either incinerated or recycled.
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Re: It is time to quarantine Africa
« Reply #69 on: October 20, 2014, 06:05:14 PM »
Many institutions (not just hospitals) back in the day had their own incinerators on their own campus or somewhere on the property.    My private high school had one that they managed to use into the 1990's when some greenie noticed it had one.   That of course was the end of it.    They used it to destroy records they didn't need anymore,(along with some regular everyday trash)  but was still private info (remember back when places actually cared about protecting your privacy?).   

If it wasn't for the greenies,  destroying stuff like medical waste wouldn't be a problem,  because it wouldn't even have to go anywhere but the basement where the door to the incinerator was.

I know the real estate firm I once worked at spent thousands a year on destroying old records (by shredding),  that would have just been burned for free back 20-30 years ago.

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Re: It is time to quarantine Africa
« Reply #70 on: October 20, 2014, 08:51:13 PM »
NEVER FEAR! HELP IS ON THE WAY!!!!!

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Re: It is time to quarantine Africa
« Reply #71 on: October 21, 2014, 07:01:21 AM »
Wait, you said "Help" is on the way, right?

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Ebola Czar Ron Klain: Top Issue in the World is Overpopulation (video)
« Reply #72 on: October 25, 2014, 01:44:37 PM »
From his own mouth. The top issue facing world leadership is overpopulation and the strain it puts on resources. This is Obama's "Ebola Czar". (Audio is low, but turn it up, and it is quite plainly stated)

Ebola Czar Ron Klain Says "Overpopulation" Top Concern
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Re: Ebola Czar Ron Klain: Top Issue in the World is Overpopulation (video)
« Reply #73 on: October 25, 2014, 02:04:53 PM »
He should voluntarily reduce the population by one.

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Re: Ebola Czar Ron Klain: Top Issue in the World is Overpopulation (video)
« Reply #74 on: October 25, 2014, 02:38:26 PM »
He should voluntarily reduce the population by one.

lol

That's not the one he has in mind.   ha ha


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Re: Ebola Czar Ron Klain: Top Issue in the World is Overpopulation (video)
« Reply #75 on: October 25, 2014, 02:41:47 PM »
biologically, ebola is just doing nature's job, thinning the herd.  we need to stop intervening in the natural process, especially when it comes to foodstamps and welfare
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Re: Ebola Czar Ron Klain: Top Issue in the World is Overpopulation (video)
« Reply #76 on: October 25, 2014, 06:28:53 PM »
biologically, ebola is just doing nature's job, thinning the herd.  we need to stop intervening in the natural process, especially when it comes to foodstamps and welfare



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Re: Ebola Czar Ron Klain: Top Issue in the World is Overpopulation (video)
« Reply #77 on: October 26, 2014, 05:02:45 AM »
Ron Klain = Fabian Socialist?
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Re: Ebola Czar Ron Klain: Top Issue in the World is Overpopulation (video)
« Reply #78 on: October 26, 2014, 10:39:45 AM »
Well I certainly have full faith that a malthusian socialist who believes overpopulation is our greatest problem will be sure to devote full resources to battling a disease that has mortality approaching 90%.  Or he might see it as just what the "doctor" ordered.
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Re: Ebola Czar Ron Klain: Top Issue in the World is Overpopulation (video)
« Reply #79 on: October 26, 2014, 11:13:52 AM »
Awesome....this is like giving Dr Mengele a humanitarian award...
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