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Re: Ryan Wins The Veepstakes
« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2012, 10:27:22 AM »
Amen. I want to see chairs broken over Dem heads. And then the legs of those chairs used as bats.

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Use one of those bats to kneecap sportscaster Boehner and his familiar Cantor.

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Ryan is also up for reelection to the House.  I would like to see him
not run but help the nomination/election of another to his old seat.
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Re: Ryan Wins The Veepstakes
« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2012, 10:55:28 AM »
Before the announcement, when the choice was still fodder for speculation, Jason Lewis postulated that if Romney would choose Portman or Pawlenty - a safe, boring choice - that it would mean the Romney campaign believes they have the election sewn up. But that if Romney would choose someone like Ryan or Rubio - a more daring, base-exciting choice - it would mean that Romney believes his campaign is in jeopardy unless he shakes-up the race with a VP choice.

Sp according to Jason Lewis, the Romney camp feels it must shake up the race. Not sure I concur, but I respect Jason's analysis.

I think that choosing Ryan - who is obviously as conservatively-wonkish (and brilliantly so in many regards) as we could ask for as a VP nominee, shows that Romney understands the either/or finality of this election, and that he believes he and Ryan together can make the case to the American people that we have to turn back from the cliff. I think it means that Romney believes that IF he is to win, it will HAVE to be by persuading the American people that entitlement society and anti-capitalism is the wrong way to go, and that Ryan is the best person to help him make that case.
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Re: Ryan Wins The Veepstakes
« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2012, 12:13:55 PM »
I like the choice, especially in lite of the economic difficulties we face. Ryan understands the economy. While I would like to also win the culture war, if we lose the economic battle for the country then culture really won't matter.

I look forward the the VP debates.
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Re: Ryan Wins The Veepstakes
« Reply #23 on: August 11, 2012, 02:35:08 PM »
In a doomsday scenario, hippies will be among the first casualties. So not everything about doomsday will be bad.

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Re: Ryan Wins The Veepstakes
« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2012, 02:42:17 PM »
Ryan is also up for reelection to the House.  I would like to see him
not run but help the nomination/election of another to his old seat.
Wisconsin doesn't need to go through another after election election.


Yes, but if they have already had their primary (and I think that they have) then there is no choice about it...he will be on the ballot whether he likes it or not.

If he wins re-election and O'Bongo is thrown out of office then I am pretty sure that Governor Walker and/or a (hopefully) Republican majority in the WI legislature will get to install their pick prior to a special election being held. I don't know if it works that way in WI but it will be something similar to that.

So we probably win either way.

What we do lose is an outstanding chairman for the House Budget Committee. I don't know who would be in line to take the spot but whoever it is they will not be anywhere near his quality.
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Re: Ryan Wins The Veepstakes
« Reply #25 on: August 11, 2012, 02:49:01 PM »




Guess I can dream.....This ticket gets us on the right path financially. Romney gets a 2nd term and we sit on him, push forward a conservative agenda. Paul runs, wins and we take back the rest of America. We pour the piss out of the jar and hang the cross back on the wall.
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Re: Ryan Wins The Veepstakes
« Reply #26 on: August 11, 2012, 02:49:06 PM »
So according to Jason Lewis, the Romney camp feels it must shake up the race.

Robert Costa of NROL sees it differently.

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Bain Capital operated as a small shop, and Romney took care to hire ambitious and serious business-school graduates — fresh-thinking young men he could develop, not just seasoned Wall Street hands.

In the late 1970s, “I was asked to help recruit bright, recently graduated MBAs to join the firm,” Romney recalls in his book, No Apology. “We were a cutting-edge company, we paid high salaries, and we usually landed the cream of the crop.”

Edward Conard, a partner at Bain Capital from 1993 to 1997 and the author of Unintended Consequences, tells NRO that Romney’s effectiveness was sharpened by his relationships with the rising-star consultants he recruited, so he is not surprised to see Romney form a bond with the analytical Ryan. Romney may not have been an overly warm figure in the office, he says, but he was clearly drawn to uber-competent thinkers.

Compare/contrast O'Bongo's pick of Biden.

Night/Day
Black/White
Up/Down
Left/Right
In/Out
Genius/Borderline Moron

If these were teams for "Jeopardy!" I know who I would bet on.
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Re: Ryan Wins The Veepstakes
« Reply #27 on: August 11, 2012, 05:30:39 PM »
I think it shows that Romney understands he can't do it without the conservatives. And he understands there are many who don't think he's conservative (enough). I think Ryan is an interesting choice because the two issues that have received the most press are the economic/healthcare policies and the religious liberty threats.  Ryan is Catholic.  The Romney campaign has to know he'll be a target because of that.  I've heard liberal pundits claim that the religious issues are not issues the voters are interested in.  I think they're afraid that will drive many to vote who don't usually bother.  I think Ryan will be an articulate spokeman for freedom of religion.

A Mormon and a Catholic. 

A liberal's nightmare.

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Re: Ryan Wins The Veepstakes
« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2012, 05:55:12 PM »
Correction:

According to something I read and now can't find, Ryan's leadership post in the House was term limited under GOP rules. So we were going to lose him anyway.

Plus, in WI they leave the seat empty until a special election.
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Re: Ryan Wins The Veepstakes
« Reply #29 on: August 11, 2012, 07:44:08 PM »

Secret Service Code Name: ‘Dreamy’

“We’re going to stand for America,” Romney said and drew more cheers when he shouted, “I love this country!”

The postlude music was Kid Rock’s “Born Free.” Kid Rock, a Michigan native, endorsed his fellow Michigan native Romney in February.


Born Free - Kid Rock Lyrics


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Re: Ryan Wins The Veepstakes
« Reply #30 on: August 12, 2012, 01:13:42 AM »
In honor of the end of the veepstakes (and the beginning of the actual campaign) here is a link to a "Hey Girl, It's Paul Ryan" slideshow.

Enjoy.
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Re: Ryan Wins The Veepstakes
« Reply #31 on: August 12, 2012, 07:01:20 AM »
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Anyone with a leg tingle lasting more than 4 hours needs medical assistance immediately

Time to head to the doctor for me.  ;D


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Re: Ryan Wins The Veepstakes
« Reply #32 on: August 12, 2012, 09:28:27 AM »
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Sp according to Jason Lewis, the Romney camp feels it must shake up the race. Not sure I concur, but I respect Jason's analysis.

Romney should be ten-fifteen points up from where he currently is. The fact that it is close means that substantial numbers of morons haven't enjoyed enough misery and want more Øbozo. What I saw of Romney's speech yesterday was pretty good but he needs to double-down.

On a more personal note I spent the day agitating yesterday and damn it was fun!

Our local community has its annual festival and yesterday was the grand parade. I went there to inveigle my way into walking with the pubbie candidate for Attorney General but he was a no-show(!), so I schmoozed my way into the campaign of a good conservative who is running for reelection as a state representative.

They handed me a plastic pail of candy and asked me to hand it out to the spectators as we walked the course. So here we were walking along sandwiched between a marching band and and a bunch of antique cars, and I'm walking the edge-line giving out treats and everybody is having a good time. The little treats are a hit - especially with the kids, but pretty much with everybody I encounter. I walk up to this one lady and ask her if she would like a candy treat and she starts to reach out to accept one. then she freezes and withdraws her hand.

"I can't take your candy!" she exclaims.

"Are you sure, I have several different kinds." I say temptingly.

"I can't take candy from you because you're a (yeech!) Republican!" she squawks.

"Really?! Candy doesn't know politics - it's just candy!" I said, but she squinched up her face and tightly folded her arms and actually turned her head to avert from me. The lady sitting next to her accepted a small handful that I delivered with a cheerful, "Enjoy!"

I ran into more like her but since I was wearing the candidates T-shirt I was on my best behavior. I still kicked their asses but did so based on facts, not leftist fantasy. The reality was that not so many were interested in talking politics - they were there to have a good time.

This morning I'm nursing a nice sunburn.

Oh, and the milquetoast pubbie that wants to be our next governor but turned his back on the fight against Øbamacare? He was a no-show as well. He's going to lose and we're gonna get stuck with yet another leftist POS. I'm so pissed off about him I could spit. But I did meet a lot of pubbie candidates yesterday and I planted seeds of discontent in their ears.

All in all it was fun.....with more to come.

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Re: Ryan Wins The Veepstakes
« Reply #33 on: August 12, 2012, 01:52:26 PM »
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Time to head to the doctor for me.  ;D




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Re: Ryan Wins The Veepstakes
« Reply #34 on: August 12, 2012, 09:35:59 PM »
Before the announcement, when the choice was still fodder for speculation, Jason Lewis postulated that if Romney would choose Portman or Pawlenty - a safe, boring choice - that it would mean the Romney campaign believes they have the election sewn up. But that if Romney would choose someone like Ryan or Rubio - a more daring, base-exciting choice - it would mean that Romney believes his campaign is in jeopardy unless he shakes-up the race with a VP choice.

Sp according to Jason Lewis, the Romney camp feels it must shake up the race. Not sure I concur, but I respect Jason's analysis.

I think that choosing Ryan - who is obviously as conservatively-wonkish (and brilliantly so in many regards) as we could ask for as a VP nominee, shows that Romney understands the either/or finality of this election, and that he believes he and Ryan together can make the case to the American people that we have to turn back from the cliff. I think it means that Romney believes that IF he is to win, it will HAVE to be by persuading the American people that entitlement society and anti-capitalism is the wrong way to go, and that Ryan is the best person to help him make that case.


Getting there will be tough, especially with the MFM running interference, but the case must be made, if for any other reason than to dot the i's and cross the t's.

CO - "I don't know who would be in line to take the spot but whoever it is they will not be anywhere near his quality."

Yup.  Hopefully Ryan can be Romney's whip, and we will know how serious the House is in working the Romney-Ryan Plan by seeing whom they do put forth to take leadership of Budget.
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Re: Ryan Wins The Veepstakes
« Reply #35 on: August 12, 2012, 09:59:14 PM »
Big rally in Waukesha.

"Do we want that opportunity society, a safety net, a land of upward mobility, where people can make the most of their lives, where people can get ahead?" Ryan said. "Or, do we want to go down the path of debt, doubt and despair. Do we want to copy Europe? No."

http://m.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/romneyryan-rally-planned-for-waukesha-sunday-night-096f6lt-165842666.html

Meanwhile, in Camp Despair, Team Obama offers a discount and few show up.

http://m.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/romneyryan-rally-planned-for-waukesha-sunday-night-096f6lt-165842666.html

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Re: Ryan Wins The Veepstakes
« Reply #36 on: August 12, 2012, 10:36:42 PM »

Yeah, it's been a good weekend.

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« Reply #37 on: August 13, 2012, 09:09:33 AM »
Meanwhile, the headline for yahoo news was to the effect that voters don't want an idealogical vote and that's what Romney has chosen with his pick of Ryan.  They're so afraid of a real discussion of issues they hope to tell the voters they don't want that.

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Re: Ryan Wins The Veepstakes
« Reply #38 on: August 13, 2012, 11:31:13 AM »
Yeah, and Hopium and Changium were non-ideological opiates for the looters!

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Re: Ryan Wins The Veepstakes
« Reply #39 on: August 13, 2012, 12:13:20 PM »
Yeah I call BS on the whole "don't want an ideological contest" thing.  The cocktail-consultants of the GOP are the worst offenders of the bunch.  Their extreme aversion to ideology is a big part of why things have gone this far down the road to serfdom.  It's why we have never really managed any meaningful pushback when we do win office.

Even if you were to accept the premise that making this an ideological contest is a risky move, I still say it's what is needed.  We're on the precipice.  The people of this country are going to have to decide whether they want to go back to what made this country wealthy, strong, and free, or if they want to continue down the path to the sort of nanny state socialism that now threatens to implode Europe.  They're going to have to choose between these very different visions.  These directions are so different, anyone who tries to adopt the pose that we need a middle-of-the-road approach only reveals themselves as either disingenuous or stupid.

The people need to choose, and they can only choose when there is a real choice. For far too long the Republican Party has failed to present one, and that whole "playing not to lose" approach is not going to cut it anymore.  The electorate of this country may yet make a poor decision, but if they do then it needs to be under no false apprehensions.  They need to know what it is they reject.
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