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A WWII Story
« on: October 04, 2012, 05:53:22 PM »
This story has been around a few years, but that doesn't detract from it.

"Look carefully at the B-17 in this painting and note how shot up it is - one engine dead, tail, horizontal stabilizer and nose shot up. It was ready to fall out of the sky. (This is a painting done by an artist from the description of both pilots many years later.) Then realize that there is a German ME-109 fighter flying next to it.



Charlie Brown was a B-17 Flying Fortress pilot with the 379th Bomber Group at Kimbolton, England.  His B-17 was called 'Ye Old Pub' and was in a terrible state, having been hit by flak and fighters.  The compass was damaged and they were flying deeper over enemy territory instead of heading home to Kimbolton.  They were lost.

After the B-17 wandered over an enemy airfield, a German pilot named Franz Steigler was ordered to take off and shoot down the B-17. When he got near the B-17, he could not believe his eyes. In his words, he 'had never seen a plane in such a bad state'... The tail and rear section was severely damaged, and the tail gunner wounded.  Bits of the top gunner's remains were all over the top of the fuselage. The nose was smashed and there were holes everywhere.

Despite having ammunition, Franz flew to the side of the B-17 and looked at Charlie Brown, the pilot.  Brown was scared and struggling to control his damaged and blood-stained plane.

Aware that they had no idea where they were going, Franz waved at Charlie to turn 180 degrees. Franz escorted and guided the stricken plane to, and slightly over, the North Sea towards England. He then saluted Charlie Brown and turned away, back to Europe.

When Franz landed he told the CO that the plane had been shot down over the sea, and never told the truth to anybody.  Charlie Brown and the remains of his crew told all at their briefing, but were ordered never to talk about it.

For more than 40 years, Charlie Brown wanted to find the Luftwaffe pilot who saved the crew. After years of research, he found Franz Stigler in 1989.  Stigler had never talked about the incident, not even at post-war reunions.

They met in the USA at a 379th Bomber Group reunion, together with 25 people who were alive - all because Franz never fired his guns that day.

When asked why he didn't shoot them down, Stigler later said, "I didn't have the heart to finish those brave men. I flew beside them for a long time. They were trying desperately to get home and I was going to let them do that. I could not have shot at them. It would have been the same as shooting at a man in a parachute."

Both men died in 2008, Stigler in March and Brown in November.  There are various embellishments of this story that don't appear to be true, such as the two pilots living within 500 miles of each other, but the story itself is true.

Of course it's an awesome story, but the often-told story leaves out something.  Franz Stigler didn't shoot down Charlie Brown that day because this particular Nazi officer and his British enemy had similar value systems.  Franz Stigler thought it dishonorable to kill a man in a disabled plane limping home.  I suspect there was enough ammo on board that "Ye Olde Pub" could have shot at the German, but because he didn't threaten them, they didn't shoot.  Fast forward 30 or 40 years into the heart of the Cold War.  The reason MAD - Mutually Assured Destruction - worked was that at heart the Soviets didn't want to kill off all of their population just as the US didn't want to kill off all of its population.  When push came to shove, nobody wanted to destroy the world and wash it in blood.

Most modern mailings of this story end with something like, "This was back in the days when there was honour in being a warrior.  They proudly wore uniforms, and they didn't hide behind women and children, nor did they plant bombs amidst innocent crowds. How times have changed.."  And this difference in value systems, this willingness to kill innocent bystanders, and the eagerness to wash the world in blood - this is the main difference we face today."

H/T http://www.smallestminority.blogspot.com/

I'd not heard this one.
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Re: A WWII Story
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2012, 06:19:08 PM »
Oustanding!  Certainly the violent spasms of war bring forth acts which no man should commit upon another human being or be witnessed by any other, and in that terrifying maelstrom of chaos, blood and basic urges to survive absolute Hell, stories of honor and humanity emerge, often after many years like this one.

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Re: A WWII Story
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2012, 08:41:12 PM »

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Re: A WWII Story
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2012, 11:17:08 AM »
Great story. Thanks! ::USA::
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Re: A WWII Story
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2012, 11:45:40 AM »
Just wondering why a British pilot is flying a B-17 with American markings . Maybe describing him as British was a typo ?

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Re: A WWII Story
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2012, 11:52:14 AM »
Has to be, every other reference is to a US outfit flying a US plane.

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http://www.379thbga.org/history.htm
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Re: A WWII Story
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2012, 12:36:47 AM »
Yeah, plus it says they later met at a 379th Bomber Group reunion in the USA. "British" was either a typo, or a reference to Britain originally being the main Allied power for 2 years prior to American entry in 1941.

As the article says, even the Russians are basically the same as us in their value system. They no more wanted to go out in a suicidal nuclear fire than we did. Islam on the other hand is very different from either the Soviets or Nazi Germany. It is a death cult, and the honest ones don't even deny it. Bin Laden said something to the effect of "We will win because we love death more than you love life." When I think about the effete, relativistic, navel gazing nature of the modern West, I have to begrudgingly admit that Bin Laden's assessments are not entirely wrong.
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Re: A WWII Story
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2012, 07:21:25 PM »
They are not entirely wrong because we are not showing we know what this battle is all about.  You cannot treat extremists as national people, something our forefathers knew better than this present generation (as a whole).
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Re: A WWII Story
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2012, 07:14:22 AM »

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Re: A WWII Story
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2012, 11:20:13 AM »
*"special brother".  Good links MNHawk!   ::thumbsup::
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