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Re: The Economy is Going to Implode
« Reply #140 on: January 13, 2014, 08:01:39 AM »
Indeed, the end game is approaching fast.

There are some things to be aware of at ZeroHedge - Their penchant for Jew-bashing (some are gratuitous, others more specific/less broadly condemning), favoring the young vs the old (they have a visceral hatred of the boomers...some may distinguish they are not all a bunch of progressive fools or red-team dupes, not always recognizable though), their general beleif that people of faith (Spaghetti Monster in the Sky) are fools, their belief that Ron Paul is as near a living immortal as one can find, their Code Pink type hatred of any warlike action and outdated belief in the Military-Industrial Complex makes them out to be pacifists, their general belief in just about every urban legend on the planet - especially 911 trutherism, their beleif in the loving Muslim, etc etc...but the economic analysis is worth the clutter, they are a treasure trove of information, but they have their favorites within the economic collapse theorist crowd, any one of which may be right or wrong, but the general consensus is obvious - things cannot and will not continue as they are.  Currencies, debt, derivitives...it's all about to hit the mother-of-all fans.  Preparing for the inevitable is sensible, and chief among that is orienting for a barter economy because once the waves of violence and panic end that will be the only kind of economy to be had.
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Re: The Economy is Going to Implode
« Reply #141 on: January 13, 2014, 11:21:27 AM »
Indeed, the end game is approaching fast.

There are some things to be aware of at ZeroHedge - Their penchant for Jew-bashing (some are gratuitous, others more specific/less broadly condemning), favoring the young vs the old (they have a visceral hatred of the boomers...some may distinguish they are not all a bunch of progressive fools or red-team dupes, not always recognizable though), their general beleif that people of faith (Spaghetti Monster in the Sky) are fools, their belief that Ron Paul is as near a living immortal as one can find, their Code Pink type hatred of any warlike action and outdated belief in the Military-Industrial Complex makes them out to be pacifists, their general belief in just about every urban legend on the planet - especially 911 trutherism, their beleif in the loving Muslim, etc etc...but the economic analysis is worth the clutter, they are a treasure trove of information, but they have their favorites within the economic collapse theorist crowd, any one of which may be right or wrong, but the general consensus is obvious - things cannot and will not continue as they are.  Currencies, debt, derivitives...it's all about to hit the mother-of-all fans.  Preparing for the inevitable is sensible, and chief among that is orienting for a barter economy because once the waves of violence and panic end that will be the only kind of economy to be had.

I actually find Zerohedge has a nice mix.. definitely tend to lean Ron Paul big L libertarian ( anti religion, anti war) and there is a fair contingent of Info-wars folks,  and of course you got your trolls, but many of the comments are insightful - even from those I disagree strongly with.  Enough that I have to sit there and figure out  why they are wrong if I disagree or modify my thinking if I can't. Just ignore the trolls ..


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Re: The Economy is Going to Implode
« Reply #142 on: January 13, 2014, 12:00:22 PM »
Indeed, the end game is approaching fast.

There are some things to be aware of at ZeroHedge - Their penchant for Jew-bashing (some are gratuitous, others more specific/less broadly condemning), favoring the young vs the old (they have a visceral hatred of the boomers...some may distinguish they are not all a bunch of progressive fools or red-team dupes, not always recognizable though), their general beleif that people of faith (Spaghetti Monster in the Sky) are fools, their belief that Ron Paul is as near a living immortal as one can find, their Code Pink type hatred of any warlike action and outdated belief in the Military-Industrial Complex makes them out to be pacifists, their general belief in just about every urban legend on the planet - especially 911 trutherism, their beleif in the loving Muslim, etc etc...but the economic analysis is worth the clutter, they are a treasure trove of information, but they have their favorites within the economic collapse theorist crowd, any one of which may be right or wrong, but the general consensus is obvious - things cannot and will not continue as they are.  Currencies, debt, derivitives...it's all about to hit the mother-of-all fans.  Preparing for the inevitable is sensible, and chief among that is orienting for a barter economy because once the waves of violence and panic end that will be the only kind of economy to be had.

I actually find Zerohedge has a nice mix.. definitely tend to lean Ron Paul big L libertarian ( anti religion, anti war) and there is a fair contingent of Info-wars folks,  and of course you got your trolls, but many of the comments are insightful - even from those I disagree strongly with.  Enough that I have to sit there and figure out  why they are wrong if I disagree or modify my thinking if I can't. Just ignore the trolls ..

Yup.  On more than one occasion I've followed a link in a comment that intrigued me and was surprised what I found...sometimes following the crumbs leads to a crank site, but such is the digital age and people...
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Re: The Economy is Going to Implode
« Reply #143 on: January 14, 2014, 08:51:01 AM »
I think this one is right on the money

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the government will demand and the Fed will acquiesce in even further expansions to the money supply via direct purchases of these government bonds, formerly held by our overseas trading partners. This will produce even higher levels of inflation, of course. Then, in order to prevent the loss of purchasing power by politically connected groups, the government will print even more money to fund special payouts to these groups. For example, government will demand that Social Security beneficiaries get their automatic increases; likewise for the quarter of the population getting disability benefits. Military and government employee pay will be increased. Funding for government cost-plus contracts will ratchet up. As the dollar drops in value overseas, local purchases by our overextended military will cost more in dollar terms (as the dollar buys fewer units of the local currencies), necessitating an emergency increase in funding.


The Wage-Price spiral will be started not by employers upping wages, but by the government upping entitlements and Government unions forcing pay increases, and state and local governments being bailed out..  The EBT cards and social security checks will go up - that is the wage increase part of the equation..  in response to foreigners abandoning the dollar.  These bailouts and increases are  paid for by still more debt- which causes more foreigners to dump more dollars. Rinse, repeat. Of course foreigners want the best value for the dollars they have that they can get, so they will drag that process out..selling a little at a time ( you know, exactly unlike these mysterious gold traders who are under such pressure to sell gold, that they ROUTINELY  drop huge sell orders on the exchange when it opens, dropping the price by $20-40 and loosing millions instead of selling a little at a time to keep the price high..but there is no manipulation there.. )

(I suspect that is exactly what foreigners are exchanging dollars for - Gold. It might even be a deal State made with China for not destroying the dollar right away-- we will rig the system to keep gold prices at $1200 - and you can buy it with those dollars you don't want! Just keep reporting  that you have them in your reserves... )

There may never be a sudden and mass stampede for the door. Just a long slow steady decline in which the Fed buys ever more of our debt back.. and the foreigners  immediately turn around and try to spend those dollars in the US, driving up prices more and feeding this death spiral.

Yes the fed could stop it by allowing rates to rise, but that would, as the article points out, send us into a recession and makes the interest on the  governments debts ever harder to pay ( without borrowing/printing even more from the Fed)  With the Dem's obvious vote rigging and in-pocket media,  just don't see anything changing politically - it will be kick the can till we can't.

Shadow Stats has inflation running at near 8% using the 1980s method of calculating it



and 6% using the methods used in the 90s



Are your "investments" providing you with a 6%  return? Did your wages increase by 6%. If not you lost money this year.
Hey maybe you should try that HFT casino called stocks! ( worth clicking on for the propaganda aspect. Not one mention of QE or the Fed ( except in the comments)  - but they were sure to put in the chart of Gold and bonds falling...)

Yes folks, the stock market in Wiemar Germany was hopping too. Its hard to say how much longer it will last.. There are certainly some money to be made, but if you need at least 6%  with taxes on top of it,  you need those 28%  returns the Market indexes have been providing of late.  And they will continue to provide... till they don't. Talk about gambling.  Sometimes I wish I had done it and dropped a bunch in back when the DOW was 7000. But I think how much I would have been willing to gamble at the time.. It wouldn't have been more than $10K (I am not a bet it all on Black kind of guy.. ) . So I would have $20K now.  No, I will take the piece of mind I got from having a prepped place to run to...
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Re: The Economy is Going to Implode
« Reply #144 on: January 14, 2014, 09:16:36 AM »
By the time the sheeple feel it...it will be so far past too fricken late it won't be funny.  It'll be BITS!
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Re: The Economy is Going to Implode
« Reply #145 on: January 16, 2014, 08:28:25 AM »
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-15/resolution-1-lets-call-things-what-they-really-are-2014

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This system is failing. Its collapse will be messy.

There is no need to fret over debt or the monetary system, or the Feds economic and monetary “models”. There is no need to grouse about their manipulations. These things are destined to fail and are already doing so. What we will do in the aftermath of their complete failure, however, is probably of utmost importance."

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Re: The Economy is Going to Implode
« Reply #146 on: January 16, 2014, 11:41:54 AM »
Get ready for Bartertown.
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Re: The Economy is Going to Implode
« Reply #147 on: January 18, 2014, 08:29:55 AM »
There is a product that can be made by just about anyone with the desire, and readily tradable when the show drops.

Alcohol.

Now is the time to experiment with the type you want to brew, ferment or distill. An added benefit for distilled spirits is that it has medicinal value as an antiseptic and pain killer.
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Re: The Economy is Going to Implode
« Reply #148 on: January 18, 2014, 10:22:08 AM »
There is a product that can be made by just about anyone with the desire, and readily tradable when the show drops.

Alcohol.

Now is the time to experiment with the type you want to brew, ferment or distill. An added benefit for distilled spirits is that it has medicinal value as an antiseptic and pain killer.

And as a fuel.

way ahead of you..
http://www.milehidistilling.com/

Make sure you get a Fuel license do the feds don't hassle you. 


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Re: The Economy is Going to Implode
« Reply #149 on: January 18, 2014, 10:39:08 PM »
Oh, boy. Just what I need...another hobby/project.

BTW...my preps are kicking ass. I must have enough food/water now to last six months.
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Re: The Economy is Going to Implode
« Reply #150 on: January 19, 2014, 03:57:03 PM »
Gosh, nice ahh...website design they got there!  ::thumbsup::

I might have to get into to this!  Brewed beer, think alcohol might be the way to go though.
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Re: The Economy is Going to Implode
« Reply #151 on: January 19, 2014, 10:52:15 PM »
A couple of my buddies make home brewed alcohol. Not beer, but alcohol. Tastes great and it is really  s-m-o-o-t-h
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Re: The Economy is Going to Implode
« Reply #152 on: January 20, 2014, 12:32:36 AM »
Having reviewed the information I think that a home built unit is the way to go...no need to be on anyone's radar. They have a link to a page where you can get complete (and perfected) plans. I have no doubt whatsoever that I can build this.
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Re: The Economy is Going to Implode
« Reply #153 on: January 20, 2014, 07:29:36 AM »
Good point Trap, and if soldering is the hardest part, heck, I might even be able to do this.  I'll have to look these plans over in detail, my BIL is handy and could assist.
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Re: The Economy is Going to Implode
« Reply #154 on: January 20, 2014, 08:40:25 AM »
Good point Trap, and if soldering is the hardest part, heck, I might even be able to do this.  I'll have to look these plans over in detail, my BIL is handy and could assist.

Yeah, I have tried soldering, and I suck at it. Plus a lot of this stuff is hard to source.. article basically admits of it. Yes, you can build one: moonshiners and farmers did it for decades.  When the Model T came out it ran on both alcohol and gasoline, because alcohol was the more plentiful fuel

For   the Stainless Steel models ,  you are looking at $400-$700 based on size.  I own one of this guy's earlier units ( and seeing the newer stuff almost makes me want to buy another..), and I can attest to the build quality. These are well made. You are almost certain to spend more than $400 on just parts, throw in your labor, and these things are a pretty good deal in comparison, especially because you get those weekends back to spend on something else.

 


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Re: The Economy is Going to Implode
« Reply #155 on: January 20, 2014, 08:59:20 AM »
Yeah, but I don't want to be on anyone's list of equipment owners. This fine print quote from the products page caught my attention:

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Under regulations in part 29 of title 27, Code of Federal Regulations, TTB has the right to require manufacturers of stills to give the name and address of each customer.

I agree that I will almost certainly pay more to make my own but I can't put a price on anonymity and being free of federal scrutiny. Once they start looking it is sort of difficult to get them to stop.
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Re: The Economy is Going to Implode
« Reply #156 on: January 20, 2014, 09:31:07 AM »
Yeah, I don't like that either Trap...and I haven't found a way to get my McLovin' ID yet...don't suppose they'd just take my word for what I give them and have them drop it off to an address in the middle of nowhere and accept my envelope of cash, eh?
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Re: The Economy is Going to Implode
« Reply #157 on: January 20, 2014, 10:44:13 AM »
Yeah, but I don't want to be on anyone's list of equipment owners. This fine print quote from the products page caught my attention:

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Under regulations in part 29 of title 27, Code of Federal Regulations, TTB has the right to require manufacturers of stills to give the name and address of each customer.

I agree that I will almost certainly pay more to make my own but I can't put a price on anonymity and being free of federal scrutiny. Once they start looking it is sort of difficult to get them to stop.

Nah. You look like a liberal hippie to them. Apply for a small scale fuel license.  I suppose there is some small chance they would audit you and show up to make sure you had denatured the alcohol you produced. Bottom line, if they want to hassle you, they will find a way to hassle you.  Make your own and they raid you its just that much easier to do it.  And trust me,  I am sure they already  have you on a list just for keeping food, participating in  this forum and having a history of voting. If they decide its time to give you a hard time, it won't be because you purchased a still.  Yeah, I suppose they could use it as an excuse, but if you don't give them that excuse they will make up another. After all  they are illegally pulling people over for having a CCW in another state. . there is no rule of law, and they ony excuse the police need now is "we wanted to."

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Re: The Economy is Going to Implode
« Reply #158 on: January 20, 2014, 11:31:05 AM »
If I could go to their location, pay cash and walk out...then fine. But they also say that they do not have a store front...only that you can place an order (which implies giving them your personal data) and make arrangements to pick the unit up. I would assume that, like buying a firearm from a dealer, they have federal requirements about record keeping.

And trust me on this one: I don't look like a liberal hippie to anyone.
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Re: The Economy is Going to Implode
« Reply #159 on: January 20, 2014, 11:52:42 AM »
Identification isn't much more than a bump in the road. The expedient way is straw purchase. Harder is fake ID. I've got the ID but I've been reluctant to actually establish credit with it (haven't figured out the legal consequences yet). Right now I've used it to establish a "Christmas Club" savings account with a modest balance.

The intent is not to defraud anyone - it is for self defense against a runaway government. So while I recognize that my actions are likely illegal my motives are good and my conscience is clear.