Topic: The Economy is Going to Implode

[trapeze]

Unfortunately, that doesn't work out so well in a community where almost everyone knows you on sight and by name.

Identification isn't much more than a bump in the road. The expedient way is straw purchase. Harder is fake ID. I've got the ID but I've been reluctant to actually establish credit with it (haven't figured out the legal consequences yet). Right now I've used it to establish a "Christmas Club" savings account with a modest balance.

The intent is not to defraud anyone - it is for self defense against a runaway government. So while I recognize that my actions are likely illegal my motives are good and my conscience is clear.

Unfortunately, that doesn't work out so well in a community where almost everyone knows you on sight and by name.

[benb61]

Get a P.O. box for 3 months and pay with a Money Order.  For the P.O. box they will ask for a residence, give them any address (they don't check, best is the address of an apartment complex and any unit number) no ID required for a Money Order.

[Libertas]

Get a P.O. box for 3 months and pay with a Money Order.  For the P.O. box they will ask for a residence, give them any address (they don't check, best is the address of an apartment complex and any unit number) no ID required for a Money Order.

If I try that and get busted will people visit me?!

[Alphabet Soup]

Unfortunately, that doesn't work out so well in a community where almost everyone knows you on sight and by name.

Identification isn't much more than a bump in the road. The expedient way is straw purchase. Harder is fake ID. I've got the ID but I've been reluctant to actually establish credit with it (haven't figured out the legal consequences yet). Right now I've used it to establish a "Christmas Club" savings account with a modest balance.

The intent is not to defraud anyone - it is for self defense against a runaway government. So while I recognize that my actions are likely illegal my motives are good and my conscience is clear.

Unfortunately, that doesn't work out so well in a community where almost everyone knows you on sight and by name.

It will be a chapter in my sad saga (to be published at a later date) but the short version: my official address is a drop box in a town 35 miles from where I live. when I rented the box I gave the postmaster an address so rural that she exclaimed, "Oh you can't get mail there!" I nodded yes and she gave me the box for free. Everything including my driver license, vehicle titles, utility bills, and taxes come here. I make a trip once a month to pick up mail. The postmaster "knows" that whatever job I have takes me on the road most of the time so she looks out for me to make sure I don't lose any mail.

No one in town knows me except the postmaster and she doesn't know what she thinks she knows. I am for all intents and purposes transparent - if I turn the right way I disappear altogether ;')

[benb61]

Unfortunately, that doesn't work out so well in a community where almost everyone knows you on sight and by name.

Identification isn't much more than a bump in the road. The expedient way is straw purchase. Harder is fake ID. I've got the ID but I've been reluctant to actually establish credit with it (haven't figured out the legal consequences yet). Right now I've used it to establish a "Christmas Club" savings account with a modest balance.

The intent is not to defraud anyone - it is for self defense against a runaway government. So while I recognize that my actions are likely illegal my motives are good and my conscience is clear.

Unfortunately, that doesn't work out so well in a community where almost everyone knows you on sight and by name.

It will be a chapter in my sad saga (to be published at a later date) but the short version: my official address is a drop box in a town 35 miles from where I live. when I rented the box I gave the postmaster an address so rural that she exclaimed, "Oh you can't get mail there!" I nodded yes and she gave me the box for free. Everything including my driver license, vehicle titles, utility bills, and taxes come here. I make a trip once a month to pick up mail. The postmaster "knows" that whatever job I have takes me on the road most of the time so she looks out for me to make sure I don't lose any mail.

No one in town knows me except the postmaster and she doesn't know what she thinks she knows. I am for all intents and purposes transparent - if I turn the right way I disappear altogether ;')

You are my hero.

[Libertas]

No kidding, wish I could do that.  But I doubt I could find a place in the state that would give me a box without asking for ID of some sort or another...Big Brother is alive and well in these parts...and it's not considered Minnesota Nice to not behave like a domesticated animal...

 

[Alphabet Soup]

No kidding, wish I could do that.  But I doubt I could find a place in the state that would give me a box without asking for ID of some sort or another...Big Brother is alive and well in these parts...and it's not considered Minnesota Nice to not behave like a domesticated animal...

 

You're not taking the more creative long range view. When I opened my PO box my DL address pointed to an address that I had never actually lived. But even that's not the point. Just like prepping, you gotta start somewhere, have to have a goal in mind, and some idea of how you want to get there. My goal was to be as shadowy as possible, on a shoestring. It meant that I would have to execute a number of moves, all meant to leave false trails while allowing time to erase the real ones.

I've studied the state RCW's and, outside of a few technical fouls, I'm still inside the letter of the law (even if I've trampled all over the spirit of the law). The applicable RCW states that it is "criminal to obtain a motor vehicle license for fraudulent purposes". Since I have not attempted to use the alternate ID I'm in a gray area regarding intent. My only ambition is to defend myself. I may become an outlaw but I don't consider anything I've done - or contemplated as criminal.

Besides, if Øbozo can have multiple birth certificates, why can't I?

[Libertas]

No kidding, wish I could do that.  But I doubt I could find a place in the state that would give me a box without asking for ID of some sort or another...Big Brother is alive and well in these parts...and it's not considered Minnesota Nice to not behave like a domesticated animal...

 

You're not taking the more creative long range view. When I opened my PO box my DL address pointed to an address that I had never actually lived. But even that's not the point. Just like prepping, you gotta start somewhere, have to have a goal in mind, and some idea of how you want to get there. My goal was to be as shadowy as possible, on a shoestring. It meant that I would have to execute a number of moves, all meant to leave false trails while allowing time to erase the real ones.

I've studied the state RCW's and, outside of a few technical fouls, I'm still inside the letter of the law (even if I've trampled all over the spirit of the law). The applicable RCW states that it is "criminal to obtain a motor vehicle license for fraudulent purposes". Since I have not attempted to use the alternate ID I'm in a gray area regarding intent. My only ambition is to defend myself. I may become an outlaw but I don't consider anything I've done - or contemplated as criminal.

Besides, if Øbozo can have multiple birth certificates, why can't I?

I can't argue with any of that, and I admire the creativity!  I must ponder some things and see if I can incorporate a similar attempt into my plans.  As it stands I am in a bit of a limbo regarding my BOL, but one way or another I have a pretirement step I am approaching, and you gave me good stuff to think about!
 

[Libertas]

BOT - Re:Implosion...

If auto sales are any indication...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-06/socialism-works-one-chart

...comparable to Venezuela?

How many more indignities do we have to suffer under these proglodyte fools?!

 

[Libertas]

Wow.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-04/bernanke-finally-reveals-one-word-why-financial-system-crashed

Screwed glued and tattooed! 

[Weisshaupt]

Missed this last week somehow.. Russia Threatens to Dump US  Treasuries if sanctions imposed

John Williams concurs
John Williams ( Shadowstats) chimes in here and suggests this could cause other nations to follow suit.
Guess this is what Soros was betting on when he started shorting dollars.  This could be the black swan event that starts all of the foreigners running for the doors.  The Fed of course will buy everything Russia dumps, and Russia will take those dollars and spend them right away. Probably in ways  that will maximize inflation in the US...

Why do I feel like I am in a roller coaster  (the really really high wooden one at Cedar Park that sways in the wind at the top)  and we are just about to reach the peak.. Clik Clik Clik Clik..

Mean Streak - ON COASTER FOOTAGE

[Libertas]

I thought I linked the first one, heck I can't remember where, that was so last week!   

I remember pooh-poohing it though.  Everybody holds everybody elses crap, dumping one will cause all to dump theirs so they can in turn (just as you point) out buy their own.  We'll have worldwide inflation...and the Yuan would win the currency war probably by default.

But we'll test that Mutually Assured Destruction compact as we go down the rollerocaster...if the tracks collapse at the botton then we'll know for sure, eh?

[Weisshaupt]

Don't look now but Foreigners are dumping treasuries - probably at Russia's threat to do so. Get in before the rush while the prices are high folks!

The Mutually assured destruction pact only works till someone stops playing.

[ToddF]

Don't look now but Foreigners are dumping treasuries - probably at Russia's threat to do so. Get in before the rush while the prices are high folks!

The Mutually assured destruction pact only works till someone stops playing.

That's OK.  We'll just instruct the right hand of government to buy up more of what the left hand is issuing.  We are already literally printing our entire deficits, now.

[Libertas]

Kinda reminds me of the books my little nephews read when they were potty-training..."Everybody Poops".

Yup, let the pooping commence.

[Weisshaupt]

This will tighten your sphincter.

Russia and China in talks over Natural Gas deal

Russia is preparing the announcement of the "Holy Grail" energy deal with none other than China, a move which would send geopolitical shockwaves around the world and bind the two nations in a commodity-backed axis. One which, as some especially on these pages, have suggested would lay the groundwork for a new joint, commodity-backed reserve currency that bypasses the dollar, something which Russia implied moments ago when its finance minister Siluanov said that Russia may regain from foreign borrowing this year. Translated: bypass western purchases of Russian debt, funded by Chinese purchases of US Treasurys, and go straight to the source.

And hence Putin's threat to trash the dollar.  I don't think this gas deal by itself will get it done, but if Russia and China become true trading partners and allies,  in the sense that the US and Europe have been,  the combination will be pretty unstoppable.  The question really is how far are they down that road?

Neither country alone is ready to back a true money currency ( which they can, at a later date, revert to fiat as the United States did)  but together, they have the gold reserves and natural resources to do so. This means that they may be able to avoid a costly war with each other as the West declines and the scramble for Western controlled areas begins. They may decide that Western Europe belongs to Russia, and the Pacific  rim belongs to China.- with expansion into India a possibility. 

[rustybayonet]

And both countries have us to thank for saving their asses during and after WWII.  Russia always has, and now China is considering turning.  Had a teacher many years ago that served in Korea, and he told us to be fearful of China, looks like he was a profit. -- Thanks to the current 'puppet assh*le' we have at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.,  it is coming faster the last 6 years than in any period since the 50's, and I hope it's not to late - WAKE UP AMERICA"   

[Libertas]

Yeah, well..only a fool thinks a Rooskie-ChiCom deal would hold forever...at some point (once all other rivals are gone) the more populous partner would inhale the smaller.  Then again Putin and Russia are just crazy enough to think they can survive their partner.

Idiots.

Russians never realize they achieve more looking West than East (or inward), screw it, in the end I don't care what happens to either of 'em.

[Weisshaupt]

Yeah, well..only a fool thinks a Rooskie-ChiCom deal would hold forever...at some point (once all other rivals are gone) the more populous partner would inhale the smaller.  Then again Putin and Russia are just crazy enough to think they can survive their partner.

Idiots.

Russians never realize they achieve more looking West than East (or inward), screw it, in the end I don't care what happens to either of 'em.

They just need to agree to split the world in half. ...

[Libertas]

Yeah, well..only a fool thinks a Rooskie-ChiCom deal would hold forever...at some point (once all other rivals are gone) the more populous partner would inhale the smaller.  Then again Putin and Russia are just crazy enough to think they can survive their partner.

Idiots.

Russians never realize they achieve more looking West than East (or inward), screw it, in the end I don't care what happens to either of 'em.

They just need to agree to split the world in half. ...

Don't want either one, would rather this act, if it is to be so, that it be literal. 

ETA - Weisshaupt, check this out...  http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php?topic=10953.msg126569#msg126569