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On Secession _Ron Paul
« on: November 14, 2012, 08:40:43 PM »
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With Over 100,000 Supporting Texas Secession, Ron Paul Weighs In




With just 5 days needed for the Texas secession petition to surpass 100,000 signatories, all is not well with the Union... actually, not only are things not well with the Union, things are getting worse by the minute, as American society splinters into diametrical opposites to a degree not seen in decades, a process which in itself virtually assures there will be no cliff compromise before the opportunity cost of ending the stand off becomes far too great. And with the option of the Mr. Chairman "getting to work" to fix things, one wonders - is even the market a motivating enough factor given a 20, 30 or even 50% drop in the rearview mirror: after all as the Fed has demonstrated, there is no need for a fiscal compromise to get the S&P to just shy of all time highs. Certainly, even America's politicians are very much aware of this by now (of course, this assumes that Bernanke is still in charge of the market: something we have claimed for two months is very much in question).

Regardless, with the topic of secession on everybody's lips, here is what none other than Ron Paul has said about this suddenly very volatile issue.


Ron Paul: This weekend I got a couple of calls from the media asking me questions about Rick Perry, our governor here in Texas and the statements he made about possible secession. Now, he didn’t call for secession, but he was restating a principle that was long held and at least in the original time of our country, and that is that there was a right to secession.

Actually, after the Civil War, nobody believes there is a so-called right to secession, but it is a very legitimate issue to debate because all of the states that came into the Union before the Civil War believed they have a right to secede and New England in the early part of the 19th century actually considered it, and nobody questioned them about whether they had the right to do it or not.

Since the Civil War, it’s been sort of a dead issue, but he brought it up. It stirred the media and believe me, it really stirred some of the liberal media where they started really screaming about what is going on here. “This is un-American”, I heard one individual say, “This is treasonous to even talk about it.”

Well, they don’t know their history very well because if they think about it, it’s an American tradition. It’s very American to talk about secession. That’s how we came into being. Thirteen colonies seceded from the British and established a new country, so secession is very much an American principle.

What about all the strong endorsements we have given over the past decade or two of those republics that seceded from the Soviet system? We were delighted with this. We never said, “Oh no. Secession is treasonous”.

No. Secession is a good principle. Just think of the benefits that would have come over these last 230-some years if the principle of secession had existed. That means the federal government would always have been restrained, not to overburden the states with too much federalism, too many federal rules and regulations.

But since that was all wiped out with the Civil War, the federal government has grown by leaps and bounds and we have suffered the consequences, and we need to reconsider this. It’s not un-American to think about the possibility of secession. This is something that’s voluntary. We came together voluntarily. A free society means you can dissolve it voluntarily. That was the whole issue was about.

Just remember one of the reasons that Wilson drove us in unnecessarily into World War I. He talked about what we have to give, have every country in the world the benefit of self-determination, a good principle. Of course, I don’t think he really believed that. But self-determination is a good principle. It’s a very American principle, so to me it’s a shame that we can’t discuss this.

You know, it’s interesting that so many of us have been taught for so many years, and as long as I can remember from the first grade on up taking the pledge of allegiance that we have a republic that’s “indivisible” and we have been preached that and preached it. So therefore, there is no contest, no question since the Civil War that we have even the thought that this could happen.

But you know what a lot of people don’t talk about and they really don’t even know about is who wrote the pledge to the flag. The pledge to the flag came from, for instance, Bellamy, an avowed Socialist who wanted to put into concrete in the pledge this principle of being indivisible, and he did it, you know, for the celebration ironically 400 years of the celebration of the landing of Christopher Columbus, so it was in 1892.

I mean, the pledge of allegiance has not been here, you know, all our history. So I think it’s worth of discussion. I think people should discuss this because right now, the American people are sick and tired of it all and I think the time will come when people will consider it much more seriously is when the federal government can no longer deliver. That time will come when the dollar collapses.

No matter what they do and how many promises they have and how many bailouts they have, they can’t do it if the money doesn’t work. So then, the independence of the states will come back and it doesn’t mean that you’ll be un-American to even contemplate what might have to be done once the dollar crashes.

While this video was originally recorded on 4/19/2009, Ron Paul spokeswoman Rachel Mills confirmed earlier today (11/13/2012) that Ron Paul “feels the same now” about secession as he did in this video.


http://www.ronpaul.com/2012-11-13/ron-paul-secession-is-an-american-principle/

http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/v/nhQ31b_dbnM?version=3&hl=en_US


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Re: On Secession _Ron Paul
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2012, 09:27:23 PM »
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Thirteen colonies seceded from the British and established a new country, so secession is very much an American principle.

No Ron, the colonials didn't secede; they rebelled against the crown.

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Re: On Secession _Ron Paul
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2012, 10:11:40 PM »
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Thirteen colonies seceded from the British and established a new country, so secession is very much an American principle.

No Ron, the colonials didn't secede; they rebelled against the crown.

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Right.  The colonies didn't voluntarily join the Crown, the Crown established the colonies and the colonials were British subjects, one cannot secede from an involuntary union, it can only rebel.

But he is right to call out the people saying we cannot or should not talk about this.  Either way you look at it, our compact that created the Federal model was voluntary and our Declaration establishes our right to throw off any government not meeting our standards, so let us secede or rebel.

But once again I think events will dictate our actions, he is right about that, our economic collapse is about as sure a thing as a sure thing can be, it's a matter of when not if.
We are now where The Founders were when they faced despotism.

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Re: On Secession _Ron Paul
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2012, 08:54:45 AM »
I honestly think this is where we're headed.  My country is dead as it is.

The Republican Party is dead.  It will splinter into Libertarians, Cultural Cons, and Eunuchs.

Who wouldn't want to live in a Republic of Texas?  I sure would.  And let's face it.  I feel no common experience with someone who lives in Detroit, Chitcago, NY City, ect.  Zero.  I sure as hell no longer feel a need to visit.  Where would I feel more comfortable, walking the streets of Chitcago or walking the streets of Taipei, Manilla, Seoul, Tokyo, and yes, even in commie countries such as China.  That's it in a nutshell.