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Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
« Reply #160 on: January 02, 2013, 02:43:07 PM »
If you guys don't support the house repubs that supported you, by voting against this bill, how is that smart?

Time to double-down, support them, and in the next primary season, add to their ranks. 3rd party crap is just that: crap.
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Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
« Reply #161 on: January 02, 2013, 03:28:54 PM »
If you guys don't support the house repubs that supported you, by voting against this bill, how is that smart?

Time to double-down, support them, and in the next primary season, add to their ranks. 3rd party crap is just that: crap.

Because the Dems always vote as a bloc. No. Matter. What.

And the GOP establishment allows jerks like this not only to run, but to lead. That is how we get a McCain. That is how we get a Romney. So a few realize that they will never be elected again and rebel. So what?   The result is the SAME no matter what we do, and at this point its just time to let it all burn.  The Tories made themselves irrelevant in the same manner, and thus the GOP was born, and from that the Civil War.  If you want a different result, you have to vote 3rd party.  If you vote Dem, you get socialism. If you vote GOP, you get them caving to Dems even when they don't have to and you get Socialism. You vote 3rd party and you get a Dem because the GOP can't muster the votes for themselves.  Its the same result no matter which way its accomplished.  Let. it. burn.

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Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
« Reply #162 on: January 02, 2013, 03:50:44 PM »
I still think that we are better off increasing our conservative members in the repub party. As we increase our numbers, we will get better results. We are still too small a number to make the impact we need. We need to keep adding, not giving up.
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Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
« Reply #163 on: January 02, 2013, 03:57:24 PM »
I wrote a long letter to Michele Bachmann today laying out a case for her to abandon the GOP, and in so doing, to forcefully invite other conservatives (like Amash, etc) in the House to do the same.

I will continue to support conservative Republicans radioman. I will be even more likely to do so if they abandon the GOP on principle. This party needs to die, or at least be so mortally wounded that the obvious and only course of action is to cut the gangrenous tissue from the body of the party.

I will have a glimmer of hope that the gangrenous tissue can indeed be cut if and when John Boehner is sent crying into the rank-and-file of the House Republicans.
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Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
« Reply #164 on: January 02, 2013, 03:57:46 PM »
I still think that we are better off increasing our conservative members in the repub party. As we increase our numbers, we will get better results. We are still too small a number to make the impact we need. We need to keep adding, not giving up.

How? We can't add. At least not enough to beat the Democratic margin of cheat, and even when we do, the people elected cave-- and that is because no sane person wants to rule. No real conservative will ever run for office because conservatives just want to be left alone. No one is giving up- we are just giving up on a rigged game that cannot be won.

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Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
« Reply #165 on: January 02, 2013, 04:00:24 PM »
One advantage to the Gerrymandering games they have been playing is that in certain districts there is no excuse for a squish. We CAN win. We must keep primary challengers ready for attacking the squishes.
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Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
« Reply #166 on: January 02, 2013, 04:01:46 PM »
I still think that we are better off increasing our conservative members in the repub party. As we increase our numbers, we will get better results. We are still too small a number to make the impact we need. We need to keep adding, not giving up.

How? We can't add. At least not enough to beat the Democratic margin of cheat, and even when we do, the people elected cave-- and that is because no sane person wants to rule. No real conservative will ever run for office because conservatives just want to be left alone. No one is giving up- we are just giving up on a rigged game that cannot be won.

Or are beaten into submission or ineffectuality by the withholding and withdrawing of committee assignments and such.  A representative has no chance to influence legislation, then; all they have left is a yea or nay vote and that isn't enough.

It's extremely discouraging, all of it ....
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Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
« Reply #167 on: January 02, 2013, 04:30:57 PM »
I'm much better off supporting true conservatives at the local and state level. DC? Everyone who goes there, I don't care thier intentions, becomes consumed by corruption. It is a cesspool and normal people do not want to play in chit. Libs do.


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Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
« Reply #168 on: January 02, 2013, 06:13:07 PM »
I really think the republican party is dead now. We're headed toward one-party hegemony.

They failed to turn out their base in the presidential election, and their response is to give their base the middle finger.

Yep. I think that pretty much seals it for the GOP. They will lose the House in 2014, assuming we have elections then.

My priority now is to get the hell out of the city. What's coming will be harder to deal with inside the urban/suburban concentration camps. Up until even quite recently I was having the typical concerns a person has about advancing my career, moving on to positions of greater responsibility and greater compensation. But it's now clear that those things are phantoms. Everyone under the age of 50 has had their ability to pursue happiness completely destroyed. It's liberating in a way. Now I won't feel like I am setting back my life by taking lesser work in a better area.

I'm just north of fifty and have felt betrayed for what seems a long time now, the descent from Reagan style conservatism has been stark, I bailed on a management position 10 years ago and have held lesser positions since because a) the work is so easy to me I can get done in regular business hours what it takes others working overtime to achieve (thus giving me more time for things I want to do) and b) less for the tax man to collect and piss away on statist BS.  I am at the point where I am now 90% out of rigged markets and instead plow my investments into physical PMs.  I am disconnecting from the game more and more each month.  When it comes time to scoot I may not even bother with a resignation letter...
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Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
« Reply #169 on: January 02, 2013, 06:17:40 PM »
I still think that we are better off increasing our conservative members in the repub party. As we increase our numbers, we will get better results. We are still too small a number to make the impact we need. We need to keep adding, not giving up.

But the GOP regularly punishes the conservatives in office even if they survive the backstabbing GOP leadership, lack of party support and Rovian destruction efforts in the primary and general elections.  How many times do they have to hang out the "conservatives not wanted sign" and be treated as 3rd class status if they still survive to get in office?
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Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
« Reply #170 on: January 02, 2013, 07:01:06 PM »
I still think that we are better off increasing our conservative members in the repub party. As we increase our numbers, we will get better results. We are still too small a number to make the impact we need. We need to keep adding, not giving up.

How? We can't add. At least not enough to beat the Democratic margin of cheat, and even when we do, the people elected cave-- and that is because no sane person wants to rule. No real conservative will ever run for office because conservatives just want to be left alone. No one is giving up- we are just giving up on a rigged game that cannot be won.

Or are beaten into submission or ineffectuality by the withholding and withdrawing of committee assignments and such.  A representative has no chance to influence legislation, then; all they have left is a yea or nay vote and that isn't enough.

It's extremely discouraging, all of it ....

Yes it is but we can't quit, it's righteous to continue participation.  If we have a conservative rep or senator support him. However, if as it is in my state the system is "rigged" from the precinct up, therefore, if you are dissatisfied with what you are being offered the only alternative is an outlier, he may not win but it will inflict pain on the establishment.  Ask the establishment if RP does not inflict pain upon them.
 

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Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
« Reply #171 on: January 03, 2013, 06:52:31 AM »
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obamas-staff-use-autopen-sign-fiscal-cliff-legislation_693578.html

What a wanker.

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Now the SCoaMF is back in Hawaii goofing off while his minions work on his next big power grabs - immigration & guns.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-quickly-go-immigration-reform-and-gun-control_693547.html

I hope Pele vomits on him!
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« Reply #172 on: January 03, 2013, 07:28:19 AM »
I still think that we are better off increasing our conservative members in the repub party. As we increase our numbers, we will get better results. We are still too small a number to make the impact we need. We need to keep adding, not giving up.

I thought about the bolded part and it's just rubbish.  It was the TEA Party which elevated Weepy to the Speaker's position back in 2010.  in 2012, the Orangeman purged conservatives from committees.  So Weepy got a job through people he absolutely loathes.  Tell me again how keeping on pushing will result in a different outcome?  /Definition of insanity and all that.

The eGOPS don't want conservatives, which is why there will have to be another party formed from the rubble of the Republican Party, and that comes with its own set of issues.  The eGOPS just want to go along to get along, with that fake collegiality we see so often expressed by our Congressbastards (John McLame praising John Effin 'I served in Vietnam' Kerry for the SoS position, e.g.).  How many Republican Congressbastards have ever called Owebama a socialist, much less the racist progressive totalitarian commie rat bastard thug he is?

The Republicans are dead, they insulted their base much too often.  They didn't learn from McCain nor Romney (nor even Dole).  Weepy is folding like the cheap suit Owebama is.  As for conservatism, it's a lost cause with current pols because they don't want to have to make a decision -- and vote -- on the tough problems of the day.  Better to keep the Free Shyt Army happy.  After all. conservatives only work and pay the bills, so who gives a fukc what they think?

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Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
« Reply #173 on: January 03, 2013, 09:52:32 AM »
The sheriff in my area is a Tea Party member and now he's thinking of running for higher office.  I'll probably help in his campaign but personally I'd rather he stayed sheriff. 

I noticed in the list posted above that Roskam voted along with Bachmann and the others.  I found this interesting as he's Chief Deputy Whip. ( I started paying attention to him after I saw him at Hillsdale one weekend (his daughter went there).  My daughter says he's mostly a big government conservative.  heh  Aren't they all?   ::facepalm::   )
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Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
« Reply #174 on: January 03, 2013, 10:24:35 AM »
When it comes time to scoot I may not even bother with a resignation letter...

Oh, man, that is a hilarious way to leave at some companies.  It may be months before anyone notices you aren't there. I work in telecom, and Dilbert has always been less funny because  of it ( I have personally witnessed in real life many of the events portrayed as "jokes" in Dilbert)    I worked in Sales long enough and have visited enough places to know that almost universally  Large Corporations become just like the govt- each manager is defending his fiefdom, and NO ONE cares about the bottom line.  Projects are established to perpetuate funding- NOT to accomplish a goal ( the first place I worked, a single, already  completed, cash cow project funded every other project in the building) . Not doing your job is often viewed as a plus by your manager as long as you put in enough effort to provide the illusion the task is making progress. That is why the requirements change. That is why they keep the drug-addled moron co-worker  on staff. If you work in a place like that, find your inner-Wally and TRY to get fired by not working. Firing involves legal and paperwork, and in many cases your manager will try to transfer you, or simply ignore you, rather than do it.  (Put all of your useless people in a group, assign them work that duplicates that of another dept and make sure it gets back to the other dept head..if you are lucky, he demands they be merged with his group. )  Its even more fun if you work a govt job. Just wait till the Dems implement the "job security" stuff Europe has where you have to pay an employee for three years after you fire them... but I am sure no one would take advantage of that...

 




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Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
« Reply #175 on: January 03, 2013, 11:47:41 AM »
When it comes time to scoot I may not even bother with a resignation letter...

Oh, man, that is a hilarious way to leave at some companies.  It may be months before anyone notices you aren't there. I work in telecom, and Dilbert has always been less funny because  of it ( I have personally witnessed in real life many of the events portrayed as "jokes" in Dilbert)    I worked in Sales long enough and have visited enough places to know that almost universally  Large Corporations become just like the govt- each manager is defending his fiefdom, and NO ONE cares about the bottom line.  Projects are established to perpetuate funding- NOT to accomplish a goal ( the first place I worked, a single, already  completed, cash cow project funded every other project in the building) . Not doing your job is often viewed as a plus by your manager as long as you put in enough effort to provide the illusion the task is making progress. That is why the requirements change. That is why they keep the drug-addled moron co-worker  on staff. If you work in a place like that, find your inner-Wally and TRY to get fired by not working. Firing involves legal and paperwork, and in many cases your manager will try to transfer you, or simply ignore you, rather than do it.  (Put all of your useless people in a group, assign them work that duplicates that of another dept and make sure it gets back to the other dept head..if you are lucky, he demands they be merged with his group. )  Its even more fun if you work a govt job. Just wait till the Dems implement the "job security" stuff Europe has where you have to pay an employee for three years after you fire them... but I am sure no one would take advantage of that...

 





Yeah, I like the Office Space route, sans hypnotist, we got the latter in the WH now, don't need that shyt!  when I bail I will just not show up, see how long the paychecks roll in....not going to quit...they'll have to fire my ass...bills?...I won't pay no stinkin' bills!...and then ride undemployment until the collapse.

Fvck 'em, about the only way I'll get my stolen money back from the rat-bastards holding the IRS's leash, I never agreed to have my money go to welfare queens and Obama-stash ghetto trash etc for almost 40 years!

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Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
« Reply #176 on: January 05, 2013, 10:34:07 AM »
Lazy, mouthy, worthless rat scat bastard!

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/01/05/obama-urges-action-on-debt-ceiling-during-vacation/

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It is too bad there are no adults around to cut of this petulant man-childs allowance.

The sphincter in chief needs to be cut the frick off!
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Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
« Reply #177 on: January 05, 2013, 08:48:24 PM »
Lazy, mouthy, worthless rat scat bastard!

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/01/05/obama-urges-action-on-debt-ceiling-during-vacation/

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It is too bad there are no adults around to cut of this petulant man-childs allowance.

The sphincter in chief needs to be cut the frick off!

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Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
« Reply #179 on: January 30, 2013, 01:40:25 PM »
All 3 GA rep's voted against the fiscal cliff deal, making sure one gets in who will have cash to win the G.E. would be nice, right now looks like a crowded field.  Well, if we even make it to 2014 or it matters a damn...

I guess all three are looking to get out from under Boehner's orange thumb and make a difference elsewhere...
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