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Offline MacWell™

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Time for a new party.
« on: December 09, 2012, 06:02:09 PM »
America is at stake, that is without question.
With only 60+ % of republicans voting in 2012, it's no more time for debate, it's time for action.
What ever you may think about Romney, he was a decent man, with good character, and brains, and imo, he loves America.
Apparently, that wasn't good enough for 30+ % of us.
Now, we might very well loose America, for real.
I believe we are selling these democrats/socialists/progressives, whatevers, short.
They're like viri, they will never stop, they will never back down, they will never capitulate, they will fight to the death for the form of government they think they want.
There are only 2 ways we the people will ever take America back. One is by the vote, the other is by force. I only pray to God, daily, that we can do it by the ballot box, the other way is, or should be unthinkable.
We the people MUST create a new party. Call it whatever you want, that isn't really important. What IS important is that this party MUST be a representation of the MAJORITY, not the minority.
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Re: Time for a new party.
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2012, 06:21:12 PM »
The Tea Party was our best shot. Insofar as it can be resurrected, reconstituted, and/or morphed into an organized political party, the people in it and the principles embodied by them are the nations only hope.

It will take a viable, high-profile conservative who can offer a legitimate challenge to the GOP candidate at the top of the ticket. A tall order. Too little too late. even that might only be enough to destroy the GOP once and for all - not win against the Leftists.

In retrospect, this "Tea Party" movement should have been a mainstream political party for 100 years, or at least the past 50. We wouldn't be here today if people had not abandoned their civic duty for generations.
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Re: Time for a new party.
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2012, 09:22:34 PM »
The time has come where voting with ballots is giving way to voting with feet.  Time to give it up to God and let His will be done.
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Re: Time for a new party.
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2012, 10:29:30 PM »
Anybody have any good resources on the decline and fall of the Whigs and the birthing of the Republican Party?
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Re: Time for a new party.
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2012, 07:05:42 AM »
I know it took a really long time to transition back then, the Whigs were essentially rendered moot after Jackson defeated J.Q. Adams' attempt at a second term...the parade of Democrats that followed was comprised of some of the most unremarkable Presidents in history.  The rise of the Republican party was not possible until Lincoln, one could argue the man made the party, not the other way around, before 1860 the party was relatively small and obscure.

A quick query at Amazon yielded these results, not sure of this book or the others linked to it, most of my reading of this period came via biographies and such.

If anybody has any knowledge of good books on the subject I would be interested too, it is not a specific historical line I've persued in detail.

http://www.amazon.com/Rise-Fall-American-Whig-Party/dp/0195161041
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Re: Time for a new party.
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2012, 08:56:24 AM »
I've been interested also but haven't taken the time to find out.  All I know is that Hillsdale College where my children graduated was very involved in the anti-slavery movement and the start of the Republican Party.

(My daughter studied the democratic party in grad school and said there's not one redeeming aspect to that party. From the start they were nasty and dishonest.)
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Re: Time for a new party.
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2012, 09:33:40 AM »
Quote from: Libertas on December 10, 2012, 07:05:42 AM
...The rise of the Republican party was not possible until Lincoln, one could argue the man made the party, not the other way around, before 1860 the party was relatively small and obscure...

In other words, the Republican party was firmly established on the crest and in the wake of civil war. And the spoils of that war and the party that it nurtured turned the concept of federalism on its head, forever.
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Re: Time for a new party.
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2012, 11:17:04 AM »
OK OK......Now I have voted the lesser of two evils ... TWICE ... because if I voted any other way I would waste a vote according to my fellow travelers.
Well no more. At this point neither represents my interests or properly protects me. So I will seek another political party. I have no plans to revisit either party for any reason.
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Re: Time for a new party.
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2012, 01:10:21 PM »
Quote from: OLJingoist on December 10, 2012, 11:17:04 AM
OK OK......Now I have voted the lesser of two evils ... TWICE ... because if I voted any other way I would waste a vote according to my fellow travelers.
Well no more. At this point neither represents my interests or properly protects me. So I will seek another political party. I have no plans to revisit either party for any reason.


I'm ready. My state leaders have went RINO. I can't take it anymore.
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Re: Time for a new party.
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2012, 02:41:46 PM »
Quote from: OLJingoist on December 10, 2012, 11:17:04 AM
OK OK......Now I have voted the lesser of two evils ... TWICE ... because if I voted any other way I would waste a vote according to my fellow travelers.
Well no more. At this point neither represents my interests or properly protects me. So I will seek another political party. I have no plans to revisit either party for any reason.

I think the number of people who espouse the same or similar sentiment is on a sharp increase.

Nice to see you post, BTW OLJ.
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Re: Time for a new party.
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2012, 03:38:37 PM »
I think we can keep the Repub party but have to focus our attention to the primary races 'primarily'. IOW, we need to think of the primary races as our MAIN battlefied and start targeting ALL establishment/RINO Repubs for throwing to the trash bin.

The politicians are staggered, so we can only dump 'em when they come up for reelection, but after 3 election cycles or so, we should start seeing real results. We need to encourage the real conservative candidates that we currently have, and let them know that help is on the way. And to remind them that we don't want them to 'compromise' with the establishment types, just sit tight, battle as best they can, until we get control.

And I mean to TARGET the establishment types and mark them for dumping!!!

If we live in an area that is represented by a true conservative, then we should move our support to the closest area that has an Establishment Repub and help support whoever the true conservative candidate is, rather than just sit there and do nothing.
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Re: Time for a new party.
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2012, 03:59:42 PM »

I've lost that hope.  We elected fewer TeaParty this time.
We had an opportunity this election primary to dump, for one, Boehner and did not.  The election rules, Party money, and even opportunity to advance if elected are facacada.

I cast aspersions upon them.
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Re: Time for a new party.
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2012, 04:05:09 PM »
I honestly don't think we have multiple election cycles remaining in which to conduct a purge, even if such a purge were possible.

The GOP will die, and America will be fundamentally transformed in accordance with all such transformations throughout the 20th century, only on steroids.

The greatest, wealthiest, and most powerful nation in the history of humanity is about to marshal its resources into a massive collectivist effort. Commandeering the GOP was our hope, and that hope was folly.
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Re: Time for a new party.
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2012, 05:46:46 PM »
Quote from: IronDioPriest on December 10, 2012, 04:05:09 PM
I honestly don't think we have multiple election cycles remaining in which to conduct a purge, even if such a purge were possible.

The GOP will die, and America will be fundamentally transformed in accordance with all such transformations throughout the 20th century, only on steroids.

The greatest, wealthiest, and most powerful nation in the history of humanity is about to marshal its resources into a massive collectivist effort. Commandeering the GOP was our hope, and that hope was folly.

I can't imagine the wealthiest hanging around to have thier money confiscated....It will be another 3% today, but who knows about tomorrow. I'm not sure where they may move, but I expect this nation to not only lose wealth because of horrid policy, but some to flee.

Those gobbling up the free stuff...thier miserable lives won't change. The true middle class will suffer, and suffer greatly.
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Re: Time for a new party.
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2012, 05:48:14 PM »
Some will indeed flee.  A local longtime acquaintance of mine took a trip to Costa Rica to evaluate its suitability.
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Re: Time for a new party.
« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2012, 06:09:08 PM »
Quote from: Pandora on December 10, 2012, 05:48:14 PM
Some will indeed flee.  A local longtime acquaintance of mine took a trip to Costa Rica to evaluate its suitability.


I don't blame them. I wish I were in that type of position. I've bounced from letting it implode to making a deal to cripple along a few years so I can better prepare financially. I'm not looking forward to keeping my business viable. I feel like I'm banging my head against a rock, knowing the inevetable is a concussion.
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Re: Time for a new party.
« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2012, 06:34:27 AM »
Definitely do not have time for a mutliple cycle purge, a complete dump program stands the only chance, and even then there are little guarantees...

Time to starting thinking for ourselves, our families and our circle of friends.
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Re: Time for a new party.
« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2012, 10:12:48 AM »
That's why I have to roll my eyes when I hear otherwise well meaning people say "it took them 80 years to get us to this point, it's going to take us that long to push back".  What kind of crack are they smoking?
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Re: Time for a new party.
« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2012, 11:13:55 AM »
Brainfart.
This is off the cuff and not thought out at all (like a lot of my stuff  ??? )

With the speed of how things move, why don't we start the movement?
Most of us are involved to some extent with Tea Parties and other groups.
We have contacts and acquaintances.
With a little marketing, let's brainstorm what it would take?
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Re: Time for a new party.
« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2012, 11:32:07 AM »
The only movements I favor are those that carve out a safe haven of sanity and liberty from this rotting socialist carcass we refer to as the USA today...anything else seems so utterly pointless.

Another example of what we are up against...once captains of industry were hailed as innovators, creators, employers and engines of capitalism and growth...now, they worship the God of 'getting things done" by any means...they are whores, chimeras of demonic origin...

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/head-of-obamas-jobs-council-state-run-communism-actually-works/

The only way we can save ourselves is by removing ourselves from this diseased host by any means necessary!   ;)
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