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Democrats Announce Plans to Go After Handguns
« on: December 27, 2012, 11:17:34 AM »
Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) announced plans to outlaw 120 specifically-named firearms including certain semiautomatic rifles, handguns, and shotguns.

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Feinstein’s bill will mandate that “grandfathered weapons be registered.”

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/12/democrats-announce-plans-to-go-after-handguns
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Re: Democrats Announce Plans to Go After Handguns
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2012, 11:19:35 AM »
"Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer." - Mark Twain

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Re: Democrats Announce Plans to Go After Handguns
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2012, 11:44:01 AM »
I don't think this will go anywhere. But it will go back on the table after being off. They'll never ever stop. We knew that before and we still know it.

All I can say is molon labe. [ETR: probably not a good thing to announce in public]
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Re: Democrats Announce Plans to Go After Handguns
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2012, 12:16:43 PM »
I don't think this will go anywhere. But it will go back on the table after being off. They'll never ever stop. We knew that before and we still know it.

Yeah, we didn't think Obamacare would go anywhere either, that at some point -- hopefully the Supreme Court -- it would be stopped.  Granted, Congress won't be controlled by the statists come January, but I do NOT trust the House Republicans.

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No, that's not the way they'll do it.  They'll come at us sideways, in a manner that puts at risk other things if we don't comply.
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Re: Democrats Announce Plans to Go After Handguns
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2012, 12:22:59 PM »
This is being discussed multiple places... and many comments are saying things as:  "time to bury".  I do not understand that point of view.  How does that old saying go (don't know who penned it)... "when you feel it is time to bury your guns, it is then that it is time to use them", or something like that.  This link keeps coming up too:  http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/52005  ... don't know the amount of truth to it, but it is an interesting read.

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Re: Democrats Announce Plans to Go After Handguns
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2012, 12:24:24 PM »
Michael Moore: ‘Calm Down, White People, and Put Away Your Guns’

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Documentary-maker and liberal activist Michael Moore said the reason for mass shootings in the United States is largely due to fear and racism, and on Christmas Eve he pleaded,  “calm down, white people, and put away your guns.”

In a blog post entitled “Celebrating the Prince of Peace in the Land of Guns,” while still calling for stricter gun-control laws, Moore said such laws will not stop mass killings because of “who we are” as a nation.

“We are a country whose leaders officially sanction and carry out acts of violence as a means to often an immoral end,” Moore said. “We invade countries who didn't attack us. We're currently using drones in a half-dozen countries, often killing civilians.”

“This probably shouldn't come as a surprise to us as we are a nation founded on genocide and built on the backs of slaves,” said Moore, a multi-millionaire filmmaker with an estimated worth of $50 million.

Three things, according to Moore, make America unique in its violence: poverty, “fear/racism,” and the “me society.”

“We're an awfully fearful country considering that, unlike most nations, we've never been invaded,” he said.  “Why on earth would we need 300 million guns in our homes?”

“I get why the Russians might be a little spooked (over 20 million of them died in World War II). But what's our excuse?” Moore said.  “Worried that the Indians from the casino may go on the warpath? Concerned that the Canadians seem to be amassing too many Tim Horton's donut shops on both sides of the border?”

“No. It's because too many white people are afraid of black people,” he said. “Period.”

Moore continued:  “The vast majority of the guns in the U.S. are sold to white people who live in the suburbs or the country. When we fantasize about being mugged or home invaded, what's the image of the perpetrator in our heads? Is it the freckled-face kid from down the street – or is it someone who is, if not black, at least poor?”

Firstly, the CT murderer was White.  Secondly, he apparently needs the link to our thread on "Black culture", wherein we've documented the activities of "black people".

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“I think it would be worth it to a) do our best to eradicate poverty and re-create the middle class we used to have, and b) stop promoting the image of the black man as the boogeyman out to hurt you,” he said.

“Calm down, white people, and put away your guns,” said Moore.

... Tough gun laws “won't really bring about an end to these mass slayings and it will not address the core problem we have,” Moore said.  “Connecticut had one of the strongest gun laws in the country. That did nothing to prevent the murders of 20 small children on December 14th.”

Despite those views, Moore supports stricter gun-control laws in the wake of the massacre, including a ban on “automatic AND semiautomatic weapons” and magazine clips that hold more than seven rounds.

“These gun massacres aren't going to end any time soon,” he said.

“I'm sorry to say this,” he said.  “But deep down we both know it's true. That doesn't mean we shouldn't keep pushing forward – after all, the momentum is on our side.”

“We need a ban on automatic AND semiautomatic weapons and magazine clips that hold more than 7 bullets,” Moore added.  “We need better background checks and more mental health services. We need to regulate the ammo, too.”

Unh hunh.  A ban won't address future massacres but it needs doing anyway.
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Re: Democrats Announce Plans to Go After Handguns
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2012, 12:28:28 PM »
This is being discussed multiple places... and many comments are saying things as:  "time to bury".  I do not understand that point of view.  How does that old saying go (don't know who penned it)... "when you feel it is time to bury your guns, it is then that it is time to use them", or something like that.  This link keeps coming up too:  http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/52005  ... don't know the amount of truth to it, but it is an interesting read.

Anything that refers to "Ulsterman" should be viewed as suspect.
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Re: Democrats Announce Plans to Go After Handguns
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2012, 12:43:44 PM »

Anything that refers to "Ulsterman" should be viewed as suspect.

Well, that is good news if that 'article' can be dismissed.  Tin foil hats tend to slide down over our eyes, and I don't want to be blind  ;)

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« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2012, 12:46:40 PM »

Anything that refers to "Ulsterman" should be viewed as suspect.

Well, that is good news if that 'article' can be dismissed.  Tin foil hats tend to slide down over our eyes, and I don't want to be blind  ;)

There's almost a creative writing industry built around anonymous sources "inside" the government dishing "secrets" about the plans of the government.

Nothing is beyond belief anymore, and that is to the benefit of our enemy. They overwhelm us with a constant barrage of activity and statements that have been heretofore unquestionably absurd.

But there are enough sourced absurdities. Unsourced ones aren't needed for us to know the nature of the enemy we're up against.
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Re: Democrats Announce Plans to Go After Handguns
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2012, 01:07:27 PM »
This is the great gun grab that has been hypothesized for years. If this thing is enacted, it is time.
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« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2012, 02:22:17 PM »
I kinda see two issues here, first, the only possible reason for registration, if future confiscation.. There is no other possible reason for this to exist.  They'll start with single makes and models, such as the Bushmaster AR.. they'll do this by ramping up the angst and fear..  The next phase will be to ban or prohibit, variants of these guns.. which is ever AR in the US.   If this flies, they'll then get a committee together, made up of professional victims, expect the Brady Campaign to be represented, in some cases, having power to enforce their agenda, by the committee being numerically stacked.  That's what happened in Canada..

The second thing I see, is by specifically going after certain firearms, they are hoping to polarize the firearms community, this worked in Canada, when, they went after things like AR's, the owner of a 30 30 Winchester, couldn't care less about your rifle in lots of cases, as long as they leave his alone.  They then started funding assistance, to various provincial hunting/shooting organizations, to 'train' people.. they then made it clear that the funding would stop, if they got to uppity..  as a result, our collective voice was sold, like a $20.00 hooker.

Frankly, I think that you may have to follow Canadian shooters policy of committing the largest case of civil disobedience in Canadian history.. we didn't register, we didn't turn in, we refused to fund organizations that prostitute themselves, and got ready for the next election.  Ultimately, we completely destroyed one long term political party, the second one is effectively nonexistent,..

The last possibility is that the various alphabet agencies will try to forcefully confiscate the firearms, if that's the case.. your Bill of Rights, provides the answer....  You have to understand, you've just got yourselves into a battle, there is no compromise, ever, for every inch you give up, they'll demand something else..

Good luck people.. and keep your powder dry..

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The second thing I see, is by specifically going after certain firearms, they are hoping to polarize the firearms community, this worked in Canada, when, they went after things like AR's, the owner of a 30 30 Winchester, couldn't care less about your rifle in lots of cases, as long as they leave his alone.  They then started funding assistance, to various provincial hunting/shooting organizations, to 'train' people.. they then made it clear that the funding would stop, if they got to uppity..  as a result, our collective voice was sold, like a $20.00 hooker.



United we stand...divided we fall. I have little to no interest in the high capacity military rounds. Yet i know the above statement by Robin is so very true.  The gun-grabbers do not stop. They cannot be sated. You cannot feed your leg to the lion today, for he will return hungry again tomorrow, until he has fully eaten you. Then he will go after the next meal.....or in this case right or freedom.  We must not give a single inch.

The truth is these people created the gun-free hunting zones that are favored by crazies, terrorists, and criminals.  Liberals deserve ALL the credit for these deaths created by their policies.
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Re: Democrats Announce Plans to Go After Handguns
« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2012, 03:00:01 PM »
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Anything that refers to "Ulsterman" should be viewed as suspect

This isn't Ulsterman.
It's Hagman and Hagman

Not sure if they're any more credible and (I think) they associate with Alex Jones.

However, I'm finding the extreme much more believable these days

Just a short while ago, who would have believed the things that are happening now?

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« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2012, 03:02:23 PM »
I know Barnhardt has been on the Hagman & Hagman show a few times. She usually makes a point of distancing herself from the Alex Jones types, but really I know nothing of them otherwise. I definitely agree that I no longer know what is tin foil hat territory anymore.
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Re: Democrats Announce Plans to Go After Handguns
« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2012, 03:12:05 PM »
Just a short while ago, who would have believed the things that are happening now?

I definitely agree that I no longer know what is tin foil hat territory anymore.

Years ago I spoke of different situations (agenda 21 was one of them) and was called a tin foil hat conspiracy theorist... today, they are reality.

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« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2012, 05:00:28 PM »
Just a short while ago, who would have believed the things that are happening now?

I definitely agree that I no longer know what is tin foil hat territory anymore.

Years ago I spoke of different situations (agenda 21 was one of them) and was called a tin foil hat conspiracy theorist... today, they are reality.

Good grief!  I've been talking about Agenda 21 for that long as well; people looked at me like I was crazy.  Now I know how Cassandra must have felt.
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« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2012, 05:10:47 PM »
I think we have now entered the next phase. The hot part of the civil war is going to be upon us sooner than I previously thought.
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« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2012, 05:12:49 PM »
I think we have now entered the next phase. The hot part of the civil war is going to be upon us sooner than I previously thought.

I think you're probably right, and its been prepared for, during the last 4 years..

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« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2012, 06:00:31 PM »
As long as the House is in Republican hands we stand a good chance of this legislation going nowhere. Besides, the public isn't behind it. It's not even close. The politicians need to be able to be re-elected and if they (most of them) vote for this they are toast.

But if it ever does pass it will be one big civil disobedience protest followed up with a civil war. Personally, I wouldn't want to go up against people who frequent shooting ranges because it's fun or face people who compete in shooting matches for accuracy and speed. I wouldn't want to try and hunt down hunters. I don't know who would.

As the last two presidential elections seem to have more than amply demonstrated, though, you can't fix stupid so there might be some idiots out there who think they could successfully confiscate several hundred million firearms. Just the math on that is daunting. You would need to collect over 80,000 guns per day for a year to get close to 300 million.

Plus, this isn't exactly rocket science anymore to make guns. It hasn't been for a long time. A few computer controlled milling machines and lathes, some metal stock and you can make anything you want in a few days. Pretty much the same with ammunition. And that would be to create a good weapon. A cheapo crappy weapon could be made with hand tools in a few hours.

Perhaps they should try and regulate brains.
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Re: Democrats Announce Plans to Go After Handguns
« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2012, 06:25:18 PM »
Hello trapeze, my comments are with all due respect...

As long as the House is in Republican hands we stand a good chance of this legislation going nowhere.

I have absolutely no faith in the republicans.  The state of our nation as it is, is proof they cannot be trusted nor relied upon.

Besides, the public isn't behind it. It's not even close.

The public was not behind the health care fiasco that passed either.

The politicians need to be able to be re-elected and if they (most of them) vote for this they are toast.

Assuming elections will continue...