Topic: Gun Control for dummies

[John Florida]

Gun Control for Dummies - It's Common Sense

[Dan]

This was great JF. Thanks. It's an angle I never saw before.

[benb61]

I'll need to be questioning people on their 3rd Amendment knowledge more.

[Pandora]

Moved to 2A category. 

[IronDioPriest]

Moved to 2A category. 

Hopefully the day will not come in our lifetimes when we need a 3A category.

[Pandora]

Moved to 2A category. 

Hopefully the day will not come in our lifetimes when we need a 3A category.

Well, as the not-so-Dummy explained, 3A is another reason why we have 2A.

[Glock32]

Suppose the government enacted a 75% property tax on your home, but also enacted a tax credit for the same amount to any homeowner who put his home on a registry for the stationing and quartering of troops. They would then say that the 3rd Amendment is not being violated, because you "voluntarily" let them quarter troops in your home. Of course, since virtually no one could afford to pay 75% of the value of their home in tax, the notion of "voluntary" becomes absolutely meaningless.

That tactic is a cornerstone in their machinations everywhere. They slowly envelop us with tyranny while still being able to point at constitutional safeguards as if they have remained inviolate. The troubling thing is, that's enough to quiet some people who would otherwise be critical. I mean just look at all the power and authority the government has claimed for itself because you have supposedly voluntarily waived your right to restrain them.

[IronDioPriest]

Suppose the government enacted a 75% property tax on your home, but also enacted a tax credit for the same amount to any homeowner who put his home on a registry for the stationing and quartering of troops. They would then say that the 3rd Amendment is not being violated, because you "voluntarily" let them quarter troops in your home. Of course, since virtually no one could afford to pay 75% of the value of their home in tax, the notion of "voluntary" becomes absolutely meaningless.

That tactic is a cornerstone in their machinations everywhere. They slowly envelop us with tyranny while still being able to point at constitutional safeguards as if they have remained inviolate. The troubling thing is, that's enough to quiet some people who would otherwise be critical. I mean just look at all the power and authority the government has claimed for itself because you have supposedly voluntarily waived your right to restrain them.

John Roberts: "Yup, sounds good to me."

[Pandora]

Suppose the government enacted a 75% property tax on your home, but also enacted a tax credit for the same amount to any homeowner who put his home on a registry for the stationing and quartering of troops. They would then say that the 3rd Amendment is not being violated, because you "voluntarily" let them quarter troops in your home. Of course, since virtually no one could afford to pay 75% of the value of their home in tax, the notion of "voluntary" becomes absolutely meaningless.

That tactic is a cornerstone in their machinations everywhere. They slowly envelop us with tyranny while still being able to point at constitutional safeguards as if they have remained inviolate. The troubling thing is, that's enough to quiet some people who would otherwise be critical. I mean just look at all the power and authority the government has claimed for itself because you have supposedly voluntarily waived your right to restrain them.

John Roberts: "Yup, sounds good to me."

Took that thought right out my head, you did.

[Dan]

G "I mean just look at all the power and authority the government has claimed for itself because you have supposedly voluntarily waived your right to restrain them."
This concept annoys the hell out of me when marketers, sales folk, or charitable orgs continue to take money because you didn't tell them to stop. I ordered a free sample online once and had to pay for shipping. In the confirmation email, there was a tiny line about how they will continue to send this product, and bill me for it, unless I opt out at that time. Who reads a confirmation email to that level of detail? Another instance, when I filled out college apps, a group called MassPirg (very left-wing) was able to put a box on every app, with questionable wording, and you had to check the box to opt out! Well take your money unless you tell us not to, is what it amounted to.
Much like the govt as you point out. The idea that our rights are subject to debate and curtailment, simply because nobody has...  made it clear that our rights are not subject to mob rule, that this is not a social democracy, has only emboldened these low-life sob's in their quest for power over us.

[Glock32]

Just as Jefferson felt compelled to itemize our Founders' grievances in the Declaration, so shall we.  Many of them are the same grievances, but some are novel new twists on the original theme. "Mandatorily voluntary" is one of the big ones.

[Pandora]

Once more, this is why I won't fly. 

It's assumed I've forfeited my right to be free of unreasonable search and seizure through the contracting with the airline for a ticket to travel.  Besides the TSA molestation, seizure has acquired a multiple meaning in that once the plane's doors are closed, you're a captive on it until it's decided for you that you're free to leave.  Ten-twelve hours on the runway, with no food, no water, crying babies and overflowing latrines because of weather or whatever?  Nuh unh, not this chickie.

And this was *before* Roberts threw the door wide open to "mandatorily voluntary" of any and every thing the government chooses to frame this way.

Just thinking about this stuff raises my BP and causes my blood to boil.

[Libertas]

I'm with ya on the flying thing, but the Federally licensed pervs in TSA are branching out, the term "captive" is being phased into outright "slave".

[Dan]

I won't fly either. When we talk of vacations, I tell my wife the kids and I will leave early and meet her there. She travels weekly for work, and is on some sort of expedited list that subjects to less frequent screening, or none at all, which, frankly, pisses me off, knowing its a glaring hole in the system, but all part and parcel with the overarching idea that they can dole out rights with no realistic expectation (in my mind) of "keeping us safe"!
Yeah, bp increasing. Gotta go throw some punches at the bag.


No, not my wife!

[Libertas]

I knew what you meant!  I have one hanging in my basement...if I had any artistic ability I'd put a face on it...paper pictures don't last long...

[Glock32]

Yeah work is talking about sending me out of town again soon. I am not sure how I am going to handle it. Might be a good excuse to go ahead and find another job somewhere else.  The last time I had to fly for work I went to DC and because they're cheapskates they got me a flight with a 2 hour layover in Atlanta. Between all that I could have driven to DC quicker.