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Rand Paul on Obamacare
« on: March 30, 2011, 12:02:24 AM »
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Senator Rand Paul came out with a terrific op-ed about the disastrous consequences of Obamacare to the free market and to our health care. As a doctor himself, Paul knows all too well that this plan will entail disaster for the industry and for patients and taxpayers.

We’ve learned last month that the US Health Department has issued more than 1,000 waivers for Obamacare, there are numerous new taxes and regulations on business that will cost billions of dollars per year, and the promise to “keep your own plan” was a lie.

Paul pointed out that in the past year, premiums for health insurance have increased, businesses are starting to drop health coverage for their employees, and many people are being laid off because of the costs of Obamacare’s mandates and regulations.

The Kentucky Senator said capitalism wasn’t even tried in health care. If more freedoms were offered, not more regulations, it will enhance health care in the US.

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    As a doctor I have had firsthand experience with the vast problems facing health care in America. Like other areas of the economy where the federal government wields its heavy hand, health care is overregulated and in need of serious market reforms. But many see bigger government as the solution to this problem, as if more regulation and more bureaucracy is going to solve it. Socialist medicine does not work because socialism does not work.

    When people blame the current crisis on the free market, they are making a grave intellectual error. We have not even remotely tried a free market in health care. We put layer upon layer of rules and mandates on companies. We limit the choices available to consumers. We allow a distortion of the market by discouraging the consumer from having any stake in the cost of the care.

    Capitalism hasn’t been tried in health care.

    America thrived for most of its history because we were the only country that rewarded innovation in the marketplace. The solutions we seek to our health care problems should therefore offer more freedom, not less. Stifling innovation with laws like Obamacare that overregulate businesses and exacerbate our debt problem can only lead to worse outcomes for a greater number of people. More freedom to choose and innovate will once again make our health care the best in the world.

He's wrong about one thing; there used to be a free market in medical care before the government sucked us into Medicare.

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Re: Rand Paul on Obamacare
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2011, 07:27:10 AM »
Rand-not-Ron also gave a very strong rebuttal to O'Chimpy's Libya justification speech. There are rumblings that Rand-not-Ron Paul is toying with the idea of doing exactly as you say he shouldn't Pan.
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Re: Rand Paul on Obamacare
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2011, 08:18:39 AM »
With all the speculation over who is running...it's kind of like sharks smelling blood in the water...Duh Wun is so fond of cutting himself, it is igniting a feeding frenzy.

I too would prefer Rand-not-Ron to stay in the Senate, but I cannot deny the contribution to to debate he can offer.  But he can still do the latter even if not a candidate.

And I agree Pan, Medicare was the starting point of transitioning away from free market medicine...the program has been along for so long, how many people alive right now really understand its true role in our economy and the health care industry?
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Re: Rand Paul on Obamacare
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2011, 08:32:30 AM »
Oh for the good old days when we pissed and moaned over a week-long hospital stay that cost us $500.00 !

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Re: Rand Paul on Obamacare
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2011, 11:42:54 AM »
The references to Rand-not-Ron?  Did I make an error somewhere?

We can't stop him from running if he so chooses; all I was saying was let's US not get over-eager out of desperation.
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Re: Rand Paul on Obamacare
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2011, 11:46:34 AM »
The references to Rand-not-Ron?  Did I make an error somewhere?
No, sorry I was being cryptic I guess. I am alluding to the Paulbots and how many of them are lumping Ron and Rand Paul together as if Rand Paul is the newer, shinier Ron Paul, when actually there are some pretty tangible differences.
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Re: Rand Paul on Obamacare
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2011, 10:21:03 PM »
The references to Rand-not-Ron?  Did I make an error somewhere?

We can't stop him from running if he so chooses; all I was saying was let's US not get over-eager out of desperation.

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Re: Rand Paul on Obamacare
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2011, 12:52:31 AM »
Oh for the good old days when we pissed and moaned over a week-long hospital stay that cost us $500.00 !

That was back when health insurance was actually INSURANCE. It was called "hospitalization" then, and it was designed to prevent someone from going bankrupt if they had a long illness and had to be hospitalized. My mother took me to the doctor, and we paid cash for his services. If we required medication, we took the prescription to Walgreens and got it filled and paid cash. Hospitals didn't have to jack up the costs on the insured in order to pay for the uninsured.

Now, medical insurance isn't insurance at all, it's a health care plan. Paul is right. One of the worst parts of today's health care plans is that the consumer is divorced from its actual cost. Pandora is right. Medicare started us on the road to socialized medicine. The government couldn't run the VA properly, then couldn't run Medicare and then Medicaid properly, but we were supposed to believe that they could run ALL of healthcare? Sad thing is, a lot of idiots still believe the government is the answer.  ::bashing::

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Re: Rand Paul on Obamacare
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2011, 07:03:35 AM »
...and they all complained about cost over runs on the Pentagon budget but they somehow believe, a truly bizarre leap of faith, that our federal government can run medicine. ::bashing::

SLight tangent here, sorry, anyone see those bumper stickers "war is not the answer", I should think that it may be the only answer to our government usurping all this power without the consent of the governed. Arming most of the sheep has the mindset that it's for defense so they're not going to whip out those guns to aim at their oppressive government....just saying. ::thinking::
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Re: Rand Paul on Obamacare
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2011, 04:04:18 PM »

Back when a week at the hospital cost $500.00 you received: respite from your spouse, penicillin, and bad food. Pre-Obama costs were about double what they would have been without government assistance.  After we un-elect Obama,  we need loser pays legislation and a dial back on class-action law suits.  And if it's legal, stop the lawyers from advertising.