Topic: Nurse refuses CPR and elderly woman dies....with 911 op begging nurse to help!

[ChrstnHsbndFthr]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/911-tape-reveals-dispatcher-cpr-pleas-nurse-article-1.1278682

The fear of law suits is destructive to our society and has apparently cost another life. No lawyer should ever be promoted to a judge. Ever.

[ToddF]

Usually you have to go to Education Colleges to find people so rigid to rules, they throw away all common sense.

[Lisa in PA]

Why would they bother with the expense of having nurses working there if they are not going to help the residents when they need it?  The woman's daughter was okay with how they handled the situation.  When they call it an "independent living" facility, they really mean it.  You are on your own.  I bet the other residents got a warm, fuzzy feeling inside as they watched their friend dying while trained medical personnel did nothing to help.

[ToddF]

The woman's daughter was okay with how they handled the situation.

Why not?  More in the inheritance that wasn't eaten up by nursing home costs.  That's how Americans roll in 2013.

[IronDioPriest]

If the woman's daughter was OK with it... I wonder if the woman had some kind of no-resuscitate clause in her will. Perhaps the "policy" in question is the policy to abide by the patient's wishes in that regard?

I'm just playing devil's advocate, wondering aloud how an absurdity such as a nurse prohibited by policy from administering CPR could even exist. If the woman and her family wanted her to be resuscitated and the medical staff refused, then this is an outrage.

[Glock32]

The article said the woman did not have a DNR request in place. It sounds like it was just rank legalism and lawyer-ese. Personally I don't know how anyone could stand around and watch someone literally die right in front of you, the rules be damned.

[Predator Don]

The woman's daughter was okay with how they handled the situation.

Why not?  More in the inheritance that wasn't eaten up by nursing home costs.  That's how Americans roll in 2013.

I wouldnt doubt it one bit. I had a grandmother die a few years back and she had a habit of hiding 50 and 100 dollar bills in her books. It was no secret, ( except my moms sister, she thought no one else knew) and she was adament she get her collection of books. Now, reading was not on her "to do" list, so we all knew why she wanted the books.

Money does funny things to people.

[Alphabet Soup]

I'm going through this right now....

[Libertas]

The article said the woman did not have a DNR request in place. It sounds like it was just rank legalism and lawyer-ese. Personally I don't know how anyone could stand around and watch someone literally die right in front of you, the rules be damned.

The family still has a case if they want one, they could successfully argue that the name "Glenwood Gardens retirement home" is a misnomer due to the legal opinion of the institution, they should be forced to change their name to "Glenwood Gardens - A swell place to die".

And you got that right about money doing things to people Don, I've seen it more than once.  And sadly, you are probably right about the heirs.

[Libertas]

I'm going through this right now....

Really?  Sorry to hear that, prayers coming your way.   

[Alphabet Soup]

Thanks. I don't need prayers - I need the patience of Job to put up with venal, grubbing snakes.

[Alphabet Soup]

The article said the woman did not have a DNR request in place. It sounds like it was just rank legalism and lawyer-ese. Personally I don't know how anyone could stand around and watch someone literally die right in front of you, the rules be damned.

The family still has a case if they want one, they could successfully argue that the name "Glenwood Gardens retirement home" is a misnomer due to the legal opinion of the institution, they should be forced to change their name to "Glenwood Gardens - A swell place to die".

And you got that right about money doing things to people Don, I've seen it more than once.  And sadly, you are probably right about the heirs.

Imagine for a moment being one of the remaining inmates, er patrons.

[Glock32]

The article said the woman did not have a DNR request in place. It sounds like it was just rank legalism and lawyer-ese. Personally I don't know how anyone could stand around and watch someone literally die right in front of you, the rules be damned.

The family still has a case if they want one, they could successfully argue that the name "Glenwood Gardens retirement home" is a misnomer due to the legal opinion of the institution, they should be forced to change their name to "Glenwood Gardens - A swell place to die".

And you got that right about money doing things to people Don, I've seen it more than once.  And sadly, you are probably right about the heirs.

Some people are apparently Human In Name Only (HINO -- add that to RINO and AINO).  Being an EMT for the fire department, my dad went to thousands of medical calls during his career and he said one of the ones he can't forget is where a man had died of a heart attack. When they arrived at the residence, the man's adult son was on the phone with his lawyer about starting the estate proceedings, literally stepping over the body of his father while on the phone.

I don't know what I feel more for those people, contempt or pity.

[Libertas]

Thanks. I don't need prayers - I need the patience of Job to put up with venal, grubbing snakes.

I'm sensing that your patience is not infinite.  I know mine would not be.  No doubt in similar circumstances I might be given a paid vacation to stay away.

[Libertas]

The article said the woman did not have a DNR request in place. It sounds like it was just rank legalism and lawyer-ese. Personally I don't know how anyone could stand around and watch someone literally die right in front of you, the rules be damned.

The family still has a case if they want one, they could successfully argue that the name "Glenwood Gardens retirement home" is a misnomer due to the legal opinion of the institution, they should be forced to change their name to "Glenwood Gardens - A swell place to die".

And you got that right about money doing things to people Don, I've seen it more than once.  And sadly, you are probably right about the heirs.

Imagine for a moment being one of the remaining inmates, er patrons.

If ambulatory I'd be making a break for it, I would rather die on the street a free man than in that cursed building!

[Libertas]

The article said the woman did not have a DNR request in place. It sounds like it was just rank legalism and lawyer-ese. Personally I don't know how anyone could stand around and watch someone literally die right in front of you, the rules be damned.

The family still has a case if they want one, they could successfully argue that the name "Glenwood Gardens retirement home" is a misnomer due to the legal opinion of the institution, they should be forced to change their name to "Glenwood Gardens - A swell place to die".

And you got that right about money doing things to people Don, I've seen it more than once.  And sadly, you are probably right about the heirs.

Some people are apparently Human In Name Only (HINO -- add that to RINO and AINO).  Being an EMT for the fire department, my dad went to thousands of medical calls during his career and he said one of the ones he can't forget is where a man had died of a heart attack. When they arrived at the residence, the man's adult son was on the phone with his lawyer about starting the estate proceedings, literally stepping over the body of his father while on the phone.

I don't know what I feel more for those people, contempt or pity.

I would go with contempt.  No doubt a person such as you describe has other feral HINOs in their clan, they'll get the same consideration.  A whole clan of HINOs, and there are lots of 'em out there.

[benb61]

The article said the woman did not have a DNR request in place. It sounds like it was just rank legalism and lawyer-ese. Personally I don't know how anyone could stand around and watch someone literally die right in front of you, the rules be damned.

The family still has a case if they want one, they could successfully argue that the name "Glenwood Gardens retirement home" is a misnomer due to the legal opinion of the institution, they should be forced to change their name to "Glenwood Gardens - A swell place to die".

And you got that right about money doing things to people Don, I've seen it more than once.  And sadly, you are probably right about the heirs.

Imagine for a moment being one of the remaining inmates, er patrons.

If ambulatory I'd be making a break for it, I would rather die on the street a free man than in that cursed building!

At least on the streets, someone may attempt to save your life.

[ChrstnHsbndFthr]

The article said the woman did not have a DNR request in place. It sounds like it was just rank legalism and lawyer-ese. Personally I don't know how anyone could stand around and watch someone literally die right in front of you, the rules be damned.

The family still has a case if they want one, they could successfully argue that the name "Glenwood Gardens retirement home" is a misnomer due to the legal opinion of the institution, they should be forced to change their name to "Glenwood Gardens - A swell place to die".

And you got that right about money doing things to people Don, I've seen it more than once.  And sadly, you are probably right about the heirs.

Some people are apparently Human In Name Only (HINO -- add that to RINO and AINO).  Being an EMT for the fire department, my dad went to thousands of medical calls during his career and he said one of the ones he can't forget is where a man had died of a heart attack. When they arrived at the residence, the man's adult son was on the phone with his lawyer about starting the estate proceedings, literally stepping over the body of his father while on the phone.

I don't know what I feel more for those people, contempt or pity.

I would go with contempt.  No doubt a person such as you describe has other feral HINOs in their clan, they'll get the same consideration.  A whole clan of HINOs, and there are lots of 'em out there.

There is no cure for a rabid dog. It does not matter how much you once loved it. That beloved creature is no longer there. It has no mercy, no kindness, no love, and cannot be allowed to exist. It must be dispatched forthwith. And afterwards, one can mourn, not the rabid creature it had become, but the creature it once was, created by God, filled with the love of mankind, and given as a gift from our Creator. We should act as gifts of the Creator to one another, and not as rabid dogs, lest someone see us as such and treat us as such. Better to lose all we have doing what is right, than fearing lawyers more than God and refusing to protect life.