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The Senate in 2014 Elections, per Larry Sabato
« on: March 20, 2013, 06:47:50 PM »
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323826704578354351814013058.html
But what if the more competitive chamber in 2014 is the Senate? Democrats are defending seats in seven states that Mitt Romney won in last year's presidential race: Alaska, Arkansas, Louisiana, Montana, North Carolina, South Dakota and West Virginia. Mr. Obama won an average of just 40.5% of the vote in these states. In addition, the retirements of longtime Sens. Tom Harkin (D., Iowa) and Carl Levin (D., Mich.) make those previously safe seats much more competitive. Factor in some freshmen Democratic senators elected from swing states in Obama's 2008 wave (the last time this batch of seats was contested), and Republicans could run competitive challenges in 10 or more Democrat-held seats. Incompetent GOP nominees could change the picture, but almost all of the seats that Republicans are defending are in solid-red states.

The historical Senate midterm dynamic isn't as clear-cut as the one in the House. The president's party has picked up Senate seats in six of 25 midterms since 1914—the first election after the 17th Amendment mandated statewide elections of senators instead of leaving it to state legislatures—but over the past century the president's party has lost an average of about four Senate seats per midterm. Republicans need to net six seats to win control in 2014—precisely the average number of seats gained, in post-World War II "sixth-year itch" elections, by the party not holding the White House.

Playing the averages sets the 2014 scene. Can Republicans match the modern average gain for the opposition party in the Senate in a president's second midterm? Can Democrats greatly exceed the historical average for the president's party in the House? It may be that neither party can meet these expectations. Yet as next year's battle for Congress begins to intensify, the odds favor the Republicans holding the House and getting yet another shot at the Senate.
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Re: The Senate in 2014 Elections, per Larry Sabato
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2013, 07:36:26 PM »
I've heard this kind of chattering from the architects and bloviators before, only to see them rendered moot by the all-too predictable latter day GOPer's and their penchant for elevating pragmatism and party loyalty above principles and fighting the enemy and giving no quarter.

They'll screw this up, guaranteed.

Best thing to do is dick with them and let them know why they will lose.  They'll blame far-right conservatives and Tea Party whackadoo's anyway.

Fvck 'em!
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Re: The Senate in 2014 Elections, per Larry Sabato
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2013, 07:43:34 PM »
Yep.
Don't think I can vote R again.
They don't deserve to be considered teh "opposition".
'Course, in MA, I don't think there'll be a Senate race, but maybe if Kerry's seat is up for grabs. Don't know about that one, yet.
But Brown! sh*t! He'll get me to stay home.
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Re: The Senate in 2014 Elections, per Larry Sabato
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2013, 08:24:11 PM »
Yep.
Don't think I can vote R again.
They don't deserve to be considered teh "opposition".
'Course, in MA, I don't think there'll be a Senate race, but maybe if Kerry's seat is up for grabs. Don't know about that one, yet.
But Brown! sh*t! He'll get me to stay home.


I think Brown already passed on the race. This is a frustration I have as a conservative. It reminds me of a scene from Blazing Saddles.....the hero places the muzzle of the gun to his own head.....that is how I view people who refuse to support someone JUST because he is also trying to get GOP votes. If he is BETTER than the other candidate, then he is CLOSER to me.  I WILL NOT put the gun to my own temple and I would urge THINKING conservatives not to either. If he votes with me 50% of the time, plus one single vote, he is better than someone who will always vote against the country and our interests. This does not seem overly complicated to me, but particularly my libertarian friends would rather the country burn down than intellectually vote for the best of all candidates at every level. In fact, this is how we got Senator Cruz, Senator Rubio, Senator Rand, etc.......Let us make the best available choce EVERY time.
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“However, I would never treat anyone with disrespect just because they are different from me. We are all created by the Almighty and like Him, I love all of humanity. We would all be better off if we loved God and loved each other.”
Phil Robertson an elder in the church of Christ

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Re: The Senate in 2014 Elections, per Larry Sabato
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2013, 08:56:34 PM »

It doesn't take that much time to vote and hey, you don't have to pay a poll tax. If there is a conservative or a libertarian or if not I'll write in Mickey Mouse.  The most important thing is for Mickey to get a large enough numbers to make it into the media.

On the way back machine, if someone wrote in Mickey every successive voter would see it and have the opportunity to do same.  Mickey got too much air time tallies. The PTBs fixed that.

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Re: The Senate in 2014 Elections, per Larry Sabato
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2013, 09:18:32 PM »
Write in "Lizard People".
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Re: The Senate in 2014 Elections, per Larry Sabato
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2013, 12:57:59 AM »
One year, below the candidates on the ballot at the write-in section, it said "Write your candidate here" so I put "Your candidate here". It ended up being printed in the vote tally in the newspaper. I took some satisfaction in it.
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Re: The Senate in 2014 Elections, per Larry Sabato
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2013, 06:29:57 AM »
"I, State your name"

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Re: The Senate in 2014 Elections, per Larry Sabato
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2013, 08:29:17 AM »
Yep.
Don't think I can vote R again.
They don't deserve to be considered teh "opposition".
'Course, in MA, I don't think there'll be a Senate race, but maybe if Kerry's seat is up for grabs. Don't know about that one, yet.
But Brown! sh*t! He'll get me to stay home.


I think Brown already passed on the race. This is a frustration I have as a conservative. It reminds me of a scene from Blazing Saddles.....the hero places the muzzle of the gun to his own head.....that is how I view people who refuse to support someone JUST because he is also trying to get GOP votes. If he is BETTER than the other candidate, then he is CLOSER to me.  I WILL NOT put the gun to my own temple and I would urge THINKING conservatives not to either. If he votes with me 50% of the time, plus one single vote, he is better than someone who will always vote against the country and our interests. This does not seem overly complicated to me, but particularly my libertarian friends would rather the country burn down than intellectually vote for the best of all candidates at every level. In fact, this is how we got Senator Cruz, Senator Rubio, Senator Rand, etc.......Let us make the best available choce EVERY time.

With respect, your position was my position, primarily because it seems reasonable and logical. But this is exactly what has led to the downfall of our nation. You cannot compromise with the devil, and that it the prime requisite of the GOP as a party. Not every Republican. The good ones still get my support. But the party as a whole has as much culpability for the predicament we're in as the Leftists - perhaps more, since it was their responsibility to fight against evil, and they've made an industry out of facilitating it.
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Re: The Senate in 2014 Elections, per Larry Sabato
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2013, 08:58:42 AM »
I see Mitch and Orrin Hatch voted for Obamacare.
Just several days ago, Mitch vowed to fight it.

He must have given it all and was forced to surrender
"Conservative" Orrin Hatch was the other R. Seems he was in a pretty rough primary battle and found his lost conservatism.
Apparently, the senile old bastard lost it again

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Re: The Senate in 2014 Elections, per Larry Sabato
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2013, 09:09:45 AM »
Larry Sabato is one smart cookie and a pretty good political prognosticator, so he's someone to whom heed should be paid.

He also went to my Catholic grade and high schools, 4 years ahead of me.  Jus' sayin'.

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Re: The Senate in 2014 Elections, per Larry Sabato
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2013, 09:19:36 AM »
Larry Sabato is one smart cookie and a pretty good political prognosticator, so he's someone to whom heed should be paid.

He also went to my Catholic grade and high schools, 4 years ahead of me.  Jus' sayin'.

What, do you think he rubbed off on you?
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Re: The Senate in 2014 Elections, per Larry Sabato
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2013, 09:28:24 AM »
By no means.  But he was known for his smarts even in high school.  Me?  Not so much.   Although I was good at forging VA drivers' licenses to be able to buy booze at the state liquor stores; 16 miraculously going on 21.

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Re: The Senate in 2014 Elections, per Larry Sabato
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2013, 08:25:25 PM »
"Competitive"
Not if RINO Rove has anything to do with it, it'll turn out like the presidential race last year.

Their done, I don't care. When you gather your army, "hit me up".
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« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2013, 10:21:38 PM »

Even if all hell breaks loose odds are it will come back
together in some form. By securing as many good people
as we can to responsible positions we are helping to
insure the reformation to be a conservative one.

There must be good leaders to guide the reassembly and
they need the practice and we need to know who they are.

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Re: The Senate in 2014 Elections, per Larry Sabato
« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2013, 11:45:20 AM »
More proof that the Ruling Class asshats dominating the GOP are going to screw the pooch again!

http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/03/rnc-report-100-pages-and-not-a-single-word-about-bloggers/

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Re: The Senate in 2014 Elections, per Larry Sabato
« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2013, 06:33:48 PM »
"Competitive"
Not if RINO Rove has anything to do with it, it'll turn out like the presidential race last year.

Their done, I don't care. When you gather your army, "hit me up".

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Re: The Senate in 2014 Elections, per Larry Sabato
« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2013, 10:19:56 PM »
The only thing the NRSC "gets" are sea salt croutons with their water cress salad at some tony Georgetown bistro. Establishment creatures, hostile to you and me and all the other unwashed philistines who actually believe in all that Constitution crap.

The comments there have already answered, but this new guy they've brought in who supposedly "gets it" and is all "fired up" comes to them from his smashing success at the Romney 2012 campaign.

Wake me when the Beltway bastards are all bending streetlamps.
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