Topic: Boston Marathon Terrorism

[Glock32]

Adrenaline becomes a huge enemy in a situation like that. Our fight-or-flight response that adrenaline triggers is meant to enhance gross muscle strength and speed, but fine motor control like using a pistol gets compromised. I'm not being critical of them, just pointing out that the average cop who isn't a gun guy probably only shoots the minimum needed to maintain qualification. Plus they may have been deliberately trying to take him alive, since dead men can't tell you about any accomplices.

[charlesoakwood]

I've heard LEOs say that even with intense training and hours at the range, an actual gunfight with pistols adds variables that challenge the center-mass aiming of even the best marksmen.

This would translate into why the govt needs 1.6 billion rds of ammunition......no matter how much practice some receive, inevitably, some just suck at using firearms. Political correctness allow these people to remain LEO's instead of searching for the best.

It's said, one shouldn't fire a weapon in the air etc.  However these guys unloaded, did they say 200, a minimum of 40 rounds and not only didn't hit the villain but missed an S Class Mercedes.  You know, a tire, an engine block, battery; what the heck did they hit?  Oh yeah, Boston, you can't sing our National Anthem WAS either.

and Dan's so pizzed he can't speak

[Weisshaupt]

Hmmm...maybe it's a regional thing. I've seen the ones in my area shoot and I wouldn't want to be on the business ends of their sidearms.

You bet it is. On the Urban  Coasts,  "Cop" is a cushy Union job where you are no expected to engage criminal activity, just fill out the paperwork on it. Only the most egregious criminals are caught.  The sister of a buddy of mine in CA had her van stolen out of her driveway. "Cops" showed up, took the report, told her who did it, and advised her not to press charges because the gang would retaliate and the cops couldn't stop them ( and its not like a citizen can have a gun in CA, and even if they did, there would be hell to pay if you used it to defend yourself. )  Out West, most rural cops know they have a population density of about 2 people per square mile, and that it will take them 90 minutes just to cross the county on the dirt roads to get to the crime scene.  They are on thier own, you are on your own, and everyone expects folks to take reasonable precautions.

[Predator Don]

What? He was dragged 20ft and shows no signs of it?

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Edit: “They were having a gunfight 10 feet apart. And then for us, thank God, he ran out of ammunition.

WTF, he's talking about this guy like he's RoBoMan. What, four - five cops are shooting and missing one punk 10 feet away and “... thank God, he ran out of ammunition.

“... thank God, he ran out of ammunition.

I can envision the headline.........reduction in magazine size foils shoot out and saves lives.

[Dan]

and Dan's so pizzed he can't speak

Yup.
So much of this is just outrageous.
As in causing an outrage.
But some morons are cheering the cops.
Others the bad guys.
Govt fails to protect us then tramples the rights of the citizenry in order to "protect" us!
Lying to cya.
I could go on but I can't.

[BigAlSouth]

Why did I think of the Iraq War Jessica Lynch Fairy Tale when I read this:

Tamerlan Tsarnaev, now out of his car, attempted to lob a makeshift bomb at police, but the device exploded in his hand. While Tamerlan Tsarnaev was firing a pistol with the other hand, police tackled and tried to subdue the 200-pound amateur boxer.

Let me get this straight: The cops were afraid that both bombers were wearing suicide bomb vests, and they tackle Tammy while he is shooting a gun at them.

[Libertas]

and Dan's so pizzed he can't speak

Yup.
So much of this is just outrageous.
As in causing an outrage.
But some morons are cheering the cops.
Others the bad guys.
Govt fails to protect us then tramples the rights of the citizenry in order to "protect" us!
Lying to cya.
I could go on but I can't.

I'd say you covered the essence of it all.

Glad to see you posting buddy!   

[Libertas]

Why did I think of the Iraq War Jessica Lynch Fairy Tale when I read this:

Tamerlan Tsarnaev, now out of his car, attempted to lob a makeshift bomb at police, but the device exploded in his hand. While Tamerlan Tsarnaev was firing a pistol with the other hand, police tackled and tried to subdue the 200-pound amateur boxer.

Let me get this straight: The cops were afraid that both bombers were wearing suicide bomb vests, and they tackle Tammy while he is shooting a gun at them.

Remember, these are the same guys who have to riddle targets (sometime just one target!) mutliple times in packs just to score a hit and then take hours (when they have FLIR) to take down an injured clown in a boat.

Hollywood makes these clowns look like heroes when in real life they stumble and blunder with amazing regularity.

And I echo the city cop theme Weisshaupt mentions, may not be true person to person but in general it is true unit to unit.

[Glock32]

And I'll go ahead and break the ice on this whole other twist to the story, that being the bomber's American wife who converted to Islam and voluntarily wears the burial shroud, etc.

At the Daily Mail they have a lengthy article about her. I had her pretty well pegged just from guesswork, but the article confirmed much of it. Your first clue is that as a teenager she wanted to join the Peace Corps. Add to that an obviously affluent, white, New England background and you get the picture of one of those girls. A Rachel Corrie type. The type who, out of her sheer magnanimity, decides to adopt the struggle of downtrodden brown people as her own. The same sort of white girls who get mixed in with groups like the SLA.

The key ingredient is perhaps the most ironic one, because they are rebelling not against a stifling, oppressive environment but in fact one that is entirely too noncommittal, too relativistic, too uncertain of itself to assert its own moral/spiritual framework. I'd bet she had permissive, progressive parents, and for sure was raised in a culture that never fails to denigrate itself in comparison with The Other.

The Left seems to believe it can gut Western civilization of its moral clarity, its spiritual underpinnings, and replace them with unicorns, rainbows, and 4/20 parties. People shouldn't be surprised when some Western youth end up being drawn to alternatives that by contrast do make positive assertions, that don't believe everything is relative (and therefore meaningless), in other words alternatives that have a self-confidence long since gutted from the West.

[IronDioPriest]

[Libertas]

Known a few gals of that ilk myself G, there is something wrong in their heads, that is for damn sure!

And IDP, that pic enrages me!

Imagine if that happened here, stay in my home?    you!  I'm going out!  Terrorists don't scare me, I pack heat, they ought to be damned scared they don't get stupid in front of me!

Stay in my house!

   you!

Stupid    sheep!

 

[Predator Don]

I used this point with one of my young members who asked my opinion of the Boston bombings.

[charlesoakwood]

Turn to Religion Split Bomb Suspects Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's Home

[blockquote] Tamerlan persuaded his mother to cover herself up, which she says at one point distressed her husband, Anzor. "He said, 'You are being crazy, covering yourselves,'" she recalled her husband saying. She said that she told him, "This is what Islamic men should want. This is what I am supposed to do."[/blockquote]   

Also, one article linked at this topic states Tamerlan was, while in Russia, was tossed out of an uncle's house because of his radicleness.

Hmm, one may surmise that they are all whack jobs.

[IronDioPriest]

Say what you will about infowars.com.

I dare you to watch this video and tell me that infowars is 100% full of sh*t.

[Libertas]

Say what you will about infowars.com.

I dare you to watch this video and tell me that infowars is 100% full of sh*t.

I had this link ready to post, thanks for posting it.  This is what freedom looks like in America today.  "Out of your damn house!  We need no warrant!  Hands up!  Assume the position!  Hey, what's this in your pocket?  A gun permit?  WTF are you carrying?  Why?  On your knees knave!  Yes, you are free!"

I'm surprised the goon outside the door didn't kick it in and take the guys camera, obviously an anti-law-and-order misfit who fails to understand what "free" really means!  Stupid knave!

I'd like to think these people treated like this can sue the agency into oblivion, but I wonder if it would even matter.  Who is pushing back against this sh*t?

The people of Boston applauded this sh*t!

[Libertas]

Oh, and on the don't let a good crisis go to waste front...the drone industry seeks to use this to secure more revenue from the ever-increasing lawless government -

http://cnsnews.com/blog/joe-schoffstall/drone-industry-invokes-boston-bombings-pr-pitch

Sick on so many levels!   

 

[Glock32]

Say what you will about infowars.com.

I dare you to watch this video and tell me that infowars is 100% full of sh*t.

I had this link ready to post, thanks for posting it.  This is what freedom looks like in America today.  "Out of your damn house!  We need no warrant!  Hands up!  Assume the position!  Hey, what's this in your pocket?  A gun permit?  WTF are you carrying?  Why?  On your knees knave!  Yes, you are free!"

I'm surprised the goon outside the door didn't kick it in and take the guys camera, obviously an anti-law-and-order misfit who fails to understand what "free" really means!  Stupid knave!

I'd like to think these people treated like this can sue the agency into oblivion, but I wonder if it would even matter.  Who is pushing back against this sh*t?

The people of Boston applauded this sh*t!

Bill Hicks had a memorable bit that aptly describes these people:


Bill Hicks - Go Back to Bed America


Sort of like the discussion we had a while back about musicians and other artists who seemed so close to seeing the real picture, but just had to take a cliched turn to the left at the last second, the same was true of Bill Hicks. I used to watch his stuff back in the early 90s and find myself identifying with his genuine disgust at the passive insipidity of people, and their tendency for herd-thinking, and then be incredulous that he'd follow it up later with some proto-marxist nonsense.

[Libertas]

Maybe he would have had a bit of a wake up call like Dennis Miller...anyway, yeah, "you're free, go back to watching reality TV, you're free"!

 

[RickZ]

Glock, good observation about the wife, 'the rest of the story'.  Throw another coaster like Johnny Taliban in there and, yes, it's like they sing the same song:  Oh it's better to be oppressed by anyone anyone anyone else but whites.  It's something I don't get.  Not enough Boy Scouts in the mix?  As pointed out here, white liberals provide cover for the nastiness contained in islam, if not by outright marrying them then by supporting their causes, like megamosques around the country, just to let everyone know how tolerant they are with your life.  Honestly, I haven't been watching the news or reading too many other blogs in depth of late so I'm just spitballing here but I'll bet that islam thingy has been properly erased from the Newspeak cycle.  Oh sure, they're supposedly looking for 12 (?) more jihadis in the cell, but it has nothing to do with islam, they're just fighting against the oppression and crimes of Russia by bombing the Boston Marathon.  AmIright?

Everything I needed to know about islam I watched unfold with my own eyes on 9/11 and, with the shifting of the wind to the north on Thursday morning, smelling it.  Everything after that has been confirmation icing on a very horrid cake.

The historical examples I can give concerning current events unfolding right now is that it reads like the end of the Roman Empire, with those bread and circuses keeping everybody happy.  Until.  And Germany in the 1930's, with some having an impending sense of Doom that became all too real.  I see the same downfall/sense of Doom now, with the train wreck happening in slow motion, yet unable to be stopped nor to look away, while the bread and circuses keep the Free Shyt Army happy.  Until.

[Libertas]

"The historical examples I can give concerning current events unfolding right now is that it reads like the end of the Roman Empire, with those bread and circuses keeping everybody happy.  Until.  And Germany in the 1930's, with some having an impending sense of Doom that became all too real.  I see the same downfall/sense of Doom now, with the train wreck happening in slow motion, yet unable to be stopped nor to look away, while the bread and circuses keep the Free Shyt Army happy.  Until."

Until...is almost here.