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Typical.



[blockquote]KABUL, Afghanistan — Thousands of protesters angry over the purported burning of a Koran by a Florida pastor stormed a United Nations compound Friday in northern Afghanistan, killing at least 12 people, including eight foreigners.
Two of the foreigners were beheaded, Reuters reported. There were unconfirmed reports that the death toll was as high as 20.
The demonstration in Mazar-i-Sharif turned violent when some protesters grabbed weapons from the UN guards and opened fire, then mobbed buildings and set fires on the compound, officials said. Demonstrators also massed in Kabul and the western city of Herat.

The topic of Koran burning stirred outrage among millions of Muslims and others worldwide after the Rev. Terry Jones' small church, Dove Outreach Center, threatened to destroy a copy of the holy book last September. The Florida pastor had backed down but the church claimed that it went through with the burning last month.[/blockquote]

Count may go to 20 dead. Obumbler is said to be concerned.


[blockquote]Last week, Afghan President Hamid Karzai issued a statement calling the burning a "crime against a religion." He denounced it as a "disrespectful and abhorrent act" and called on the U.S. and the United Nations to bring to justice those who burned the holy book and issue a response to Muslims around the world.[/blockquote]


I got your response to muslims around the world right here, Hamid...



« Last Edit: April 01, 2011, 05:49:40 PM by trapeze »
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Ah yes, this would be the same Karzai whose government (that exists only because of our blood and money) sentences to death converts to Christianity.

When, oh when, will people stop pretending that Muslims reciprocate and negotiate in good faith?
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It will not occur to the Left to lay the entirety of the responsibility for slaughtering innocent people on the backs of those who committed the murder. To those who have no concept of personal responsibility, the blame will only be placed on the murderers as a reaction to the real crime - hate speech. They'll say something like...

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[blockquote]"...Of course, nothing justifies the unspeakable violence against the innocent such as we've seen against the UN workers in Afghanistan, and our thoughts go out to the families in their time of grief and loss. But if we learn nothing else from this awful tragedy, we must learn that tolerance for those who believe or live their lives differently than ourselves is necessary if we are to build bridges between cultures, religions, countries, and the ethnically diverse peoples of the world. We owe it to those we've lost in this tragedy to do better. So in that spirit, and in their memories, we must condemn the kind of hateful speech and demonstration of intolerance that we saw from Terry Jones and his extremist church. Burning the holy koran is unacceptable, and I will be leading the effort to make sure that once and for all, such hatred no longer has a place in our discourse...."[/blockquote]
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I didn't mean to step on another one of your posts, Pandora. I did look before I posted this but I guess I didn't look quite carefully enough. My apologies. Feel free to merge mine with yours.
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I didn't mean to step on another one of your posts, Pandora. I did look before I posted this but I guess I didn't look quite carefully enough. My apologies. Feel free to merge mine with yours.

'S okay.  I collated, so it was easy to miss.

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I didn't mean to step on another one of your posts, Pandora. I did look before I posted this but I guess I didn't look quite carefully enough. My apologies. Feel free to merge mine with yours.

The trick is to go to search, not the big box on the right but the little bitty "search" in between "help" and "profile", then enter the appropriate word, scroll down and select "most recent entry" then click search. You will then see, in reverse chronology, the usage of your entry word.


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Good point. I will do that next time.

But muslims are still by and large, douchebags for stuff like this. The crime and the lame ass whiny, self righteous indignation type response.
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I didn't mean to step on another one of your posts, Pandora. I did look before I posted this but I guess I didn't look quite carefully enough. My apologies. Feel free to merge mine with yours.

The trick is to go to search, not the big box on the right but the little bitty "search" in between "help" and "profile", then enter the appropriate word, scroll down and select "most recent entry" then click search. You will then see, in reverse chronology, the usage of your entry word.



You know, I never even noticed that little search button. I always just used the window in the upper right, but the button is more functional.
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Good point. I will do that next time.

But muslims are still by and large, douchebags for stuff like this. The crime and the lame ass whiny, self righteous indignation type response.

Glad to be a help.   Now, to the problem at hand.

Just shoot them. We've been dealing with this scum since about 700 AD, on a personal level, well, WWII they were Nazis, 1953 Iran we had to pacify, Jimma and the hostages, hijacked airplanes with murdered passengers (one a US serviceman dumped on the tarmac), the massacre at the German Olympics, The bombing of our soldiers in Lebonon, on and on through the hijacking and flight of our planes into our buldings in our country killing our people.  Patience is patience and the whole lot of them are indefensibly rot. Kill them now.

We give our guys guns and rockets and stuff for a reason...

To shoot them.


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Good point. I will do that next time.

But muslims are still by and large, douchebags for stuff like this. The crime and the lame ass whiny, self righteous indignation type response.

Glad to be a help.   Now, to the problem at hand.

Just shoot them. We've been dealing with this scum since about 700 AD, on a personal level, well, WWII they were Nazis, 1953 Iran we had to pacify, Jimma and the hostages, hijacked airplanes with murdered passengers (one a US serviceman dumped on the tarmac), the massacre at the German Olympics, The bombing of our soldiers in Lebonon, on and on through the hijacking and flight of our planes into our buldings in our country killing our people.  Patience is patience and the whole lot of them are indefensibly rot. Kill them now.

We give our guys guns and rockets and stuff for a reason...

To shoot them.



The jihadis are deftly using the West's own professed values against it in an almost Alinskyite fashion. But it only works because we have been systematically denied the ability to formulate measured, individualized responses to things. This phenomenon can be found throughout society, it's part of the Left's universalist totalitarianism. For example, we have such things as "zero tolerance policies" because it cannot be left to competent adults to respond to situations based on the context of particular circumstances. No, we must apply universal formulas devised at higher levels (by liberals of course) to everything.

I think our spinelessness with regard to Muslims is largely a product of this. It has become the all-encompassing prescription of the Left that anything non-white, non-western, non-Christian is automatically imbued with a certain righteousness and anything less than absolute accommodation on our part is racist, imperialistic, eurocentric, whatever.

If I may propose an analogy, for this is how I see our response to the threat of Islam: we are like a patient infected with a deadly but curable disease who nevertheless refuses to take antibiotics because out of all the trillions and trillions of bacteria of that particular pathogen, it's only a small minority of them actively infecting our body.

It's utterly asinine, and it literally spells the end of our entire civilization. And liberalism is the only reason we cannot adequately deal with this threat. It's all so tragically unnecessary to be destroyed by these barbarians. If not for our moonbat overlords....
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Starting with the Age of Enlightenment in the 18th Century and the Industrial Revolution in the 19th, Western civilization moved far beyond the Islamic world and left them in the dust.  For nearly two centuries, Islam was not a serious threat to the West.  They could cause trouble here and there, but for the most part they were just an annoyance.

The West had self-confidence.  We were a superior civilization, we knew it, and we were proud of it.  That confidence took a severe blow with World Wars I & II and the rise of Leftism.  In addition, the Muslim world received a vast influx of oil money, which gave them power and influence far beyond what they had earned or deserved.

Leftism in turn sapped the confidence of Western civilization.  With "white guilt" and "liberal guilt" we were taught to downplay our achievements and be ashamed of our success.

We must regain our self-confidence, and that can only happen with the defeat of Leftism.  Until that happens, we cannot possibly hope to address the threat of Islam.
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NOw, do we think the UN will see these people for the animals they are, or will they apologize for the UN workers being so provocative by being, well...weak?
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I haven't seen it here, but I am highly irritated that many people feel it necessary to condemn Jones as hateful and/or stupid before turning their opprobrium on the proper, murdering targets.

It's misplaced moral equivalence, IMO.
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Yup, it's his business.

As far as those cultic murderers are concerned, just shoot 'em.


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I haven't seen it here, but I am highly irritated that many people feel it necessary to condemn Jones as hateful and/or stupid before turning their opprobrium on the proper, murdering targets.

It's misplaced moral equivalence, IMO.

I think the guy's a bonehead who would better serve his flock by preaching the Gospel than by attacking the Koran. But I think that is a completely separate issue from these killings, and shouldn't even be part of the story. So I don't say he's a bonehead out of feeling the need to qualify, or correlate. I say it because you're bringing it up for discussion, and it's what I think. So allow me to explain...

I utterly reject the premise being foisted on us by the media and the Islamic freaks that these murders in Afghanistan are in retaliation for the koran-burning. Just because the fanatics say it's so doesn't make it so, and the media has no duty to repeat their claims at face value.

Is a bank teller who pushes the panic-button during a robbery held responsible for the robber shooting someone? Is the rapist exonerated for his crime because his victim enticed him with a short skirt? In both cases the innocent victim engaged in some behavior their assailant found causative. But as discerning human beings, we utterly reject that. The discussion of such things as if they were a legitimate facet of the story is rejected.

Likewise, there is no logical or otherwise legitimate reason for the actions of this pastor to even be mentioned in the same breath as these murders. They are unrelated. To accept that they are related gives a shred of credibility to the notion that there is a cause/effect correlation, and it doesn't hold water.

The problem is Islam, not a lone pastor in Florida trying to prove a point by burning books. To believe otherwise is to believe that if we just do __________, or we just stop doing ___________, then the Muslims will stop killing and beheading people. That is an utterly ridiculous belief.
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That's the way I see it as well.

But ...

... why is Jones a bonehead, in your opinion?
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That's the way I see it as well.

But ...

... why is Jones a bonehead, in your opinion?

Several reasons, the primary one being because he's the pastor of a Christian church and I don't think burning the books of other faiths fits the job description. Additionally...

- The Gospel stands on its own, and preaching the truth of it doesn't require tearing anything else down with visual demonstrations. The Gospel tears down lies.
- It's not as if he needs to burn books to make sure that his flock knows where he stands.
- Book-burning has been used before by governments as a tool of control, revisionism, and totalitarianism. So in a free society, the aesthetics are all wrong, and in my opinion, harmful to the point he's trying to make rather than helpful.
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I utterly reject the premise being foisted on us by the media and the Islamic freaks that these murders in Afghanistan are in retaliation for the koran-burning. Just because the fanatics say it's so doesn't make it so, and the media has no duty to repeat their claims at face value.

A little dose of takkiya enhanced by the usual suspect, the MSM.

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Several reasons, the primary one being because he's the pastor of a Christian church and I don't think burning the books of other faiths fits the job description. Additionally...

- The Gospel stands on its own, and preaching the truth of it doesn't require tearing anything else down with visual demonstrations. The Gospel tears down lies.
- It's not as if he needs to burn books to make sure that his flock knows where he stands.
- Book-burning has been used before by governments as a tool of control, revisionism, and totalitarianism. So in a free society, the aesthetics are all wrong, and in my opinion, harmful to the point he's trying to make rather than helpful.


Your argument is compelling but I disagree.

-The Gospel is full of visual demonstrations. Jesus with the money lenders comes to mind.
-He did not burn the book to let his flock know where he stands, he did it for the world to see that the book represents the antithesis of life. He did it to show he and his congregation defy any aspect of the cult of death and those who coddle it.
-"Book-burning has been used as a tool", yes; however, in both Testaments  the burning of unclean objects purifies and refines them.

The old man is course and his method blunt.  As a people we are afflicted by an alien culture most blunt and elements of our culture insidiously undermining our foundation, he is practicing "tough love".