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The Great Adobe Cloud Conspiracy
« on: May 12, 2013, 09:29:54 PM »
And yeah, this probably qualifies as a full fledged conspiracy of the type that the tin foil hat types can only dream about in their most feverish nightmares. It's from Gateway Pundit. Hold onto your hat:

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This story begins with a recent announcement from Adobe that they will be killing the ability for all customers to own a perpetual software license moving into future versions of Adobe software. Instead, millions of very unhappy customers (Hitler included via the parody below – NSFW Language) will be forced to purchase a monthly subscription to the Cloud should anyone want to use future releases of Adobe software. Just read the comments on the links provided in this article to get a sense of the outrage brewing over this decision.

What will the Cloud model look like? Instead of paying a one time fee to own the software, you will be forced to pay a monthly subscription to rent the software. Adobe tries to make this sound attractive by saying the software costs $1500 for a full suite. Therefore, the $50 monthly fee is more cost effective.  First, the software suite for an educational discount does not cost $1500, but ranges in price (depending on the suite) from $199.99 to $359.99 on average. The master collection (everything under the sun)… could be found for $599.99.  A typical cycle between software versions is around 18 months, thus if you do the math, renting at $50 a month is not cheaper. And like the cable TV model, once you’re a subscriber, the price can be jacked up and you’ve got no where to go (if fully invested in the cloud software). Should you decide to cancel the subscription, the software ceases to function and the files dependent on that software will no longer open or function as well. The cloud model also forces you to upgrade whether you want to or not.

Beware of those with stock in Adobe who are trying to tell you this is a great thing, and everyone loves it. Scott Kelby comes to mind and Jeff Schewe feels no shame in insulting anyone who fails to embrace the Cloud concept.

And the story is just getting warmed up. Go read the whole thing.
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Re: The Great Adobe Cloud Conspiracy
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2013, 09:59:48 PM »

Beware of those with stock in Adobe who are trying to tell you this is a great thing, and everyone loves it. Scott Kelby comes to mind and Jeff Schewe feels no shame in insulting anyone who fails to embrace the Cloud concept.

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I have ALWAYS , and I MEAN ALWAYS, hated Adobe Reader. Editing is  near impossible - which I suppose is why so many people use it,  but so is copying, or generally any use of the dang file. And then the is the twice Daily update. WHAT IN THE WORLD COULD POSSIBLY REQUIRE A NEW UPDATE EVERY OTHER DAY? Are your coders that bad.  Oh, right, they are, because half the time its something that Adobe has put out that is crashing my PC. ( I think they have a deal with Apple to make Windows unusable by loading crap that constantly runs in the background and doesn't play nice. )

I hope they do this. I hope everyone refuses to pay them and finds a decent alternative elsewhere. Adobe can't go away too soon.

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Re: The Great Adobe Cloud Conspiracy
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2013, 11:17:24 PM »
Adobe has been the bane of just about every IT shop out there, mine included. Adobe is a classic example of a company that knows they have a monopoly in their part of the market. Volume licensing wasn't possible if you had less than 500 seats, so you're stuck buying an individual license for each user. Then when a new version comes out, they immediately stop selling the prior one. So you end up having to buy the new one for new employees, which then causes inevitable conflicts with people still using the older version, and this is all a deliberate effort to strong arm you into upgrading the older ones to the latest version.

Without question Adobe is by far the biggest PITA software company to work with at the enterprise level. I would love something to come along and kick them off their high horse. They have a lot of enemies in the IT industry for stunts like this. Until somebody invents a better mousetrap though, they'll continue to get away with it. They have no meaningful competition in design software. Photoshop, InDesign, and Illustrator own that market.
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Re: The Great Adobe Cloud Conspiracy
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2013, 06:56:17 AM »
Again, you give generously to Dem's and this sh*t goes on unchallenged...

The Cloud?   ::mooning::

Extortion?   ::mooning::

gof**kyourself@adobe.com might be the most popular choice before all is said and done!
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Re: The Great Adobe Cloud Conspiracy
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2013, 07:02:00 AM »
Are we free-marketeers or not?
And I whole-heatedly agree that "someone needs to come along."
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Re: The Great Adobe Cloud Conspiracy
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2013, 10:41:48 AM »

I use Foxit, that's all I need.  Adobe keeps wanting to update, which I decline.
If I knew how to extract Adobe I would.

ETA:
Noticed recently, when surfing, info offered in PDF does not have a save or when you do save it doesn't save what has be loaded into the computer it wants to go "to the cloud?" and retrieve it.   

It does, however, allow one to print and I choose print then "print to file" and it saves it as a microsoft doc  I forgot the suffix.
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Re: The Great Adobe Cloud Conspiracy
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2013, 10:59:06 AM »
Adobe has always been the worst when it comes to licensing pitfalls. I understand their desire to protect their intellectual interests but theirs is the classic "baby with the bathwater" approach that intentionally goes out of their way to insult and alienate their users.

F them.

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Re: The Great Adobe Cloud Conspiracy
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2013, 11:26:53 AM »

I use Foxit, that's all I need.  Adobe keeps wanting to update, which I decline.
If I knew how to extract Adobe I would.

ETA:
Noticed recently, when surfing, info offered in PDF does not have a save or when you do save it doesn't save what has be loaded into the computer it wants to go "to the cloud?" and retrieve it.   

It does, however, allow one to print and I choose print then "print to file" and it saves it as a microsoft doc  I forgot the suffix.


I just tried to open the, it was saved as a prn, prn file and can't;  the aforementioned info is incorrect.

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Re: The Great Adobe Cloud Conspiracy
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2013, 11:32:12 AM »
We are talking about more than .pdf files here. The .pdf file thing is important but I have to believe that there are acceptable workarounds to it. When the mood hits me I may poke around, find an alternative and then attempt to purge Adobe from everything.

The big thing for people that use it is the graphics suite that includes (among other things) Photoshop and Illustrator. I am not a graphic artist so this is of no importance to me personally but I can see how it would be a big deal to someone who uses this stuff to make a living.

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Re: The Great Adobe Cloud Conspiracy
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2013, 02:20:45 PM »
I work in IT with a firm that has a lot of graphic designers, architects, engineers, etc. They (the graphics people especially) are heavy users of Adobe's stuff. It really is the only game in town for the sort of work they're doing, at least if they are to have any degree of interoperability with their own clients and consultants. And despite Adobe's obnoxious policies, their actual products are very good -- at least this is what the designers tell me. I am limited to managing the licensing and installing the software, pretty much everything else about it looks like Greek to me.

The PDF is what most people associate with Adobe because that's their universal "final product" format from all their other products. The PDF is meant to assure that a document displays or prints faithfully to the original regardless of what screen or printer it is output to. It's not a word processing format like MS Word. I reckon the majority of the frustration I get from users about Adobe Acrobat is that they're trying to contort it into being what it's not (i.e. a Word-like program).
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Re: The Great Adobe Cloud Conspiracy
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2013, 12:50:03 PM »
The Gateway Pundit piece to which trap linked was not written by Hoft, but by Mara Zebest, who recently posted an update with a link to a Wired article from March of last year, "The NSA Is Building the Country’s Biggest Spy Center (Watch What You Say)".

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Re: The Great Adobe Cloud Conspiracy
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2013, 02:12:03 PM »
Yes. The NSA captures every packet that traverses the Internet. Everything. And with the proliferation of home broadband and "smart" appliances, Orwell's Big Brother screen in every home is pretty much here already. You won't even have to have broadband. Smart meters can talk to smart appliances through the power line itself, effectively creating a little swarm of listening devices throughout your home.

They capture all this data, completely without warrant, claim "it's for national security" and that shuts everyone up. But this is the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave, lest you forget. We'll be reminded of it a month from now when everyone gets a day off to stuff their fat faces and pat themselves on the back for living in a "free" country.
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Re: The Great Adobe Cloud Conspiracy
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2013, 10:52:56 AM »
Yes. The NSA captures every packet that traverses the Internet. Everything. And with the proliferation of home broadband and "smart" appliances, Orwell's Big Brother screen in every home is pretty much here already. You won't even have to have broadband. Smart meters can talk to smart appliances through the power line itself, effectively creating a little swarm of listening devices throughout your home.

They capture all this data, completely without warrant, claim "it's for national security" and that shuts everyone up. But this is the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave, lest you forget. We'll be reminded of it a month from now when everyone gets a day off to stuff their fat faces and pat themselves on the back for living in a "free" country.

So.... I'm just thinking here...  What if some group were to create some Gigabyte size file of gibberish and start e-mailing it to their friends and they to even more friends ad infinitum.  Would they be able to overload the NSA storage facilities?  How long would it take?  Would there be any repercussions?  Would the NSA be able to figure out what was happening?  Just curious.
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Re: The Great Adobe Cloud Conspiracy
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2013, 11:20:39 AM »
I like the way you think Ben!   ::thumbsup::
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Re: The Great Adobe Cloud Conspiracy
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2013, 09:39:13 PM »
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Specifically targeted Americans, not foreigners...
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Re: The Great Adobe Cloud Conspiracy
« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2013, 10:08:34 PM »
Well, assuming that some progressive asshole is out there watching us right now, here's a hearty fuçk you, you treasonous fascist slime. Bring it the fuçk on. I love my wife and kids and life itself, but none of it means anything without liberty. If someone has to die, I choose you.
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Re: The Great Adobe Cloud Conspiracy
« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2013, 10:33:21 PM »
Well, assuming that some progressive asshole is out there watching us right now, here's a hearty fuçk you, you treasonous fascist slime. Bring it the fuçk on. I love my wife and kids and life itself, but none of it means anything without liberty. If someone has to die, I choose you.

Oh they have been watching and recording for some time now.  They know who we all are. But they would know simply by what books you buy and movies you watch, and they can get that from credit card records if you haven't been using exclusively cash.  And if you have been, you can bet that you stick out like a sore thumb for that reason as well.  There was no way to hide from them.  Bought a gun legally?  Yeah, then you made the list too.  As I read comments on various articles, it is obvious the tone out there is changing.. a lot more people are speaking of revolution, resistance, and dissent - stuff that those "more reasonable" conservative sites would have you banned for  two years ago is becoming mainstream ( or I end up at the same sites as the Alex Jones crowd...  or, probably more likely, the tinfoil hat is coming into style. )  Go back 4 years and very few were speaking in such terms  or saying "Liberty or Death" -  And aside from releasing a plague, they simply can't handle this if it becomes truly mainstream without resorting to WMD.  They can't possibly come house to house to round us up, even when they know who we are.  They couldn't even stop attacks if we openly planned them enmass- they don't have the resources.  Lets just hope this continues to build, with Gods help, into the storm we hope it can be...


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Re: The Great Adobe Cloud Conspiracy
« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2013, 12:14:38 AM »
Yes. The NSA captures every packet that traverses the Internet. Everything. And with the proliferation of home broadband and "smart" appliances, Orwell's Big Brother screen in every home is pretty much here already. You won't even have to have broadband. Smart meters can talk to smart appliances through the power line itself, effectively creating a little swarm of listening devices throughout your home.

They capture all this data, completely without warrant, claim "it's for national security" and that shuts everyone up. But this is the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave, lest you forget. We'll be reminded of it a month from now when everyone gets a day off to stuff their fat faces and pat themselves on the back for living in a "free" country.

So.... I'm just thinking here...  What if some group were to create some Gigabyte size file of gibberish and start e-mailing it to their friends and they to even more friends ad infinitum.  Would they be able to overload the NSA storage facilities?  How long would it take?  Would there be any repercussions?  Would the NSA be able to figure out what was happening?  Just curious.


It's unlikely that it would seriously strain their resources.  The NSA's new facility in Utah is 1.2 million square feet of data storage.  Consider that an average home PC can now easily sport multiple terabytes of data storage, and that gives you some idea of the resources at their disposal.

I maintain that this capturing of data has little to nothing to do with catching incipient crime or terrorism. If it does, then it's failed pretty embarrassingly. No, I think it has more to do with simply creating a virtually infinite digital dossier on every man, woman, and child alive. Information that can be mined and used against you should you become a thorn in their side. They want to accumulate dirt on anyone and everyone. Who even cares about warrants, they're just meaningless formalities in this new paradigm. What would they be seeking a warrant for? A warrant to make use of all the information they already collected on you?  Extrajudicial use of the information would serve their goals even better. A journalist, a politician, a religious figure, whoever, is becoming an inconvenience? Threaten them with some dirt, tell them their secret is safe with Uncle Sugar as long as they play ball.

Technology is now making real the possibility of the Total State. What was previously the realm of dystopian fiction is becoming our reality.
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Re: The Great Adobe Cloud Conspiracy
« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2013, 06:39:34 AM »
I sent a text yesterday telling all fascists their days are numbered and ended with a hearty "Oh, and f**k Obama!" for good measure.

But remember, you are free...free to be spied on, free to be manipulated and lied to, free to be violated, free to be imprisioned...free...

To be truely free...fascists will need to be dealt with sooner rather than later!
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Re: The Great Adobe Cloud Conspiracy
« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2013, 10:43:35 AM »
I sent a text yesterday telling all fascists their days are numbered and ended with a hearty "Oh, and f**k Obama!" for good measure.

But remember, you are free...free to be spied on, free to be manipulated and lied to, free to be violated, free to be imprisioned...free...

To be truely free...fascists will need to be dealt with sooner rather than later!



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