Topic: The U.S. Government's Disastrous Outreach to Islam - Our Betrayal

[Pandora]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/13/explosive-rep-louie-gohmert-gets-fbi-director-to-make-stunning-admission-about-convicted-terror-supporter/?corder=asc#comments

"“The FBI never canvassed Boston mosques until four days after the April 15 attacks,” he said. “If the Russians tell you that someone has been radicalized and you go check and see the mosque that they went to, then you get the articles of incorporation as I have for the group that created the Boston mosque where these Tsarnaevs attended and you find out the name Alamoudi.”

Abdurahman Alamoudi, who was convicted and is currently in jail for supporting terrorism, co-founded the mosque that the two Boston bombing suspects attended in Boston, Gohmert lectured.

“And you didn’t even bother to go check about the mosque?” he added. “Then when you have the pictures, why did no one go to the mosque and say, ‘who are these guys?’”

Mueller then accused Gohmert of not having his facts “together,” setting off an explosive exchange.

“Point out specifically,” Gohmert began.

“May I finish my–” the FBI boss shot back.

“Sir, if you are going to call me a liar, you need to point out specifically where any facts are wrong,” Gohmert said.

Mueller countered by arguing that the FBI was at the Boston mosque months prior to the Boston bombing as a part of its “outreach efforts.”

“Were you aware that those mosques were started by Alamoudi?” Gohmert pressed.

“I’ve answered the question,” Mueller said.

“You didn’t answer the question, were you aware they were started by Alamoudi?”

“No,” the FBI director finally muttered.

“You were not, thank you,” Gohmert concluded."

FBI Director Unaware Boston Mosque Founded By al Qaeda Funder

[Pandora]

We're being set up.  The "authorities" are purging their records of any pertinent information about the very terrorists they claim we need protection from, turning a blind eye to their activities, and spying on us and limiting our rights in the name of "safety" and "national security".

See what they did to the people in Boston after the bombing, rousting people out of their houses at gunpoint, locking down the city (except for Dunkin Donuts -- yes, it's true)?  Next "event", or the one after that, will be a bigger catastrophe and they'll use it to lock more of us down, tighter and for a longer period.

[Libertas]

FBI is complicit, Operation Honeymoon on steroids, need broader powers dontchyaknow?

Eff them.

Might as well start living up to the reputations being manufactured for us, eh?     WTF?!

[Pandora]

Blind to Terror

Good piece, bad title.  They're not blind, but they are intent on acting as though they are, and blinding us.

"Why has the U.S. government called certain Islamic groups supporters of terror in federal court, and then turned around and called these same organizations “moderates” and embraced them as outreach partners? In a number of cases from the Clinton, Bush, and Obama administrations, the leaders of these organizations (some of whom are now in federal prison) were under active investigation at the same time they were meeting with senior U.S. leaders at the White House and the Capitol and helping develop U.S. policy. Now these same Islamic organizations and leaders have openly encouraged a purge of counterterrorism training that have effectively blinded law enforcement, homeland security, and intelligence agencies to active terror threats as seen in the inaction of the FBI concerning the Boston bombing suspects and other terror cases. This study poses serious questions as to the efficacy and even security concerns about U.S. government outreach to Islamic groups, which often turn out to be Islamist militants, enemies of Islamic moderation, and even supporters of terrorism.

... One of the primary contributors to this widespread political correctness campaign has been the U.S. government’s disastrous Muslim outreach policies extending back to the Clinton administration and the 1993 World Trade Center bombings. The U.S. government’s historical outreach program, regardless of whether it has been a Democrat or Republican in the White House, has been based on a schizophrenic policy: In many cases federal prosecutors have gone into federal court and identified American Islamic organizations and leaders as supporters of terrorism, and no sooner have left court before government officials openly embrace these same organizations and leaders as moderates and outreach partners. In several notable cases, the FBI’s outreach partners have been under active FBI criminal investigation and were later convicted on terrorism-related charges at the time the outreach occurred.

In the case of the Cambridge, Massachusetts, mosque attended by the suspected Boston marathon bombers, when the plethora of extremist ties to the Islamic Society of Boston were reported, a mosque spokesman replied that they could not be extremists since they regularly participated in outreach programs with the FBI, Department of Justice and Homeland Security.[3]

This exemplifies the chronic failure of the U.S. government’s outreach programs."

Shades of Mueller's testimony to Gohmert.

H/T Stakelbeck On Terror

[Libertas]

FUBAR.  No fixing this, no time to replace the hundreds...thousands of bad apples...no political will to regain sanity...no individual will to make them...all of it must go...and it will not go willingly...

[Glock32]

I keep thinking back to a piece that CO posted several weeks ago about inchoate rage/anger/fear. That feeling one gets, the spidey senses tingling, that one is being stalked and surrounded by unseen predators. It's now perfectly clear why so many revolts and revolutions of the past descended into widespread killing. The inchoate nature of the threat prompts people to forget about trying to identify guilty individuals and instead condemning an entire regime.

Every single time one of them is brought before a congressional committee, this is the sort of imperious, smug, obfuscating demeanor we get from them. How do you possibly clean up such a rotten structure? With a wrecking ball.

[Weisshaupt]

I keep thinking back to a piece that CO posted several weeks ago about inchoate rage/anger/fear. That feeling one gets, the spidey senses tingling, that one is being stalked and surrounded by unseen predators. It's now perfectly clear why so many revolts and revolutions of the past descended into widespread killing. The inchoate nature of the threat prompts people to forget about trying to identify guilty individuals and instead condemning an entire regime.

Every single time one of them is brought before a congressional committee, this is the sort of imperious, smug, obfuscating demeanor we get from them. How do you possibly clean up such a rotten structure? With a wrecking ball.

The cost of knowledge is too high, and the risk of being wrong to great. It will be an injustice to some, but in the end, the entire structure and everyone who owkrked for it will need to be purged. And if that seems unfair, remember will make the attempt to purge anyone who ever voted conservative if they are able.

[charlesoakwood]

Issa ought to step down and put Louie in his stead.  I'm thinking about recently when Atty Gen Weasel told Issa, essentially to shut up, and he did.  Dog with his tail between his legs.

   Go get 'em Louie.

[IronDioPriest]

Ever since F&F went nowhere, I've wondered if Issa's role is not merely for show, to give the appearance that there is a tough House Republican on the case.

He's ever nipping at their heels without sinking his teeth in.

[Glock32]

Yeah I am not at all impressed with Issa.  With nearly everything the Republicans do, I feel like I'm watching what was billed as the Fight of the Century only to realize one of the boxers has been paid to take a dive.

[charlesoakwood]

I keep thinking back to a piece that CO posted several weeks ago about inchoate rage/anger/fear. That feeling one gets, the spidey senses tingling, that one is being stalked and surrounded by unseen predators. It's now perfectly clear why so many revolts and revolutions of the past descended into widespread killing. The inchoate nature of the threat prompts people to forget about trying to identify guilty individuals and instead condemning an entire regime.

Every single time one of them is brought before a congressional committee, this is the sort of imperious, smug, obfuscating demeanor we get from them. How do you possibly clean up such a rotten structure? With a wrecking ball.

The cost of knowledge is too high, and the risk of being wrong to great. It will be an injustice to some, but in the end, the entire structure and everyone who owkrked for it will need to be purged. And if that seems unfair, remember will make the attempt to purge anyone who ever voted conservative if they are able.

If Manhattan Peggy is sensing it a lot of low information voters are sensing it.
[blockquote] This isn't the kind of thing that can be quantified in polls—it's barely the kind of thing people admit to themselves. But talk to older Americans—they feel they barely know this country anymore. In governance its crucial to stay within parameters, it's important not to strain ties, push too far, be extreme. And if you think this does not carry implications for down the road, for our healthy continuance as a nation, you are mistaken. Love keeps great nations going.
 [/blockquote] There's no let up, the tension continues.  Some say the war in Syria will distract from impeachment or worse.  Clinton's bombing Christians didn't save him from Monica himself.  No, Obama's a pusher and has no sense of release, he will continue to push. 

[charlesoakwood]

Moar, Louie Gohmert

. . .“We need to address the political correctness that is blinding our agencies and blinding our military of its ability to see who the enemy is, because it’s getting people killed,” Gohmert said. “When you refuse to acknowledge that the Afghans you’re training, may be willing to turn their guns you’re training them on and kill you…until you recognize that and who our enemy is, and that our enemy can be among us, and that our enemy can be in uniforms that we’re supposed to be friendly with, then more Americans are going to be killed needlessly.”

Gohmert accused the Obama administration of changing policy so that the FBI, State Department, and others had to “partner with” CAIR and ISNA, rather than treat mosques as terrorist recruitment centers.

“Any time CAIR says, ‘This offends us,’ the FBI says, ‘Oh, gee, we’d better change it,’” Gohmert claimed. “When you’ve had the Fifth Circuit of the United States Court of Appeals confirm that, yes, the evidence shows that CAIR, Islamic Society of North America—those are front organizations for the Muslim Brotherhood. They want Sharia law to be the law of the land, not our Constitution. And that is what we did not take an oath to allow to happen.”

[Libertas]

Yeah I am not at all impressed with Issa.  With nearly everything the Republicans do, I feel like I'm watching what was billed as the Fight of the Century only to realize one of the boxers has been paid to take a dive.

It's because the Pubbies always think in terms of political campaigns and not military campaigns, they will always lose.

The definition of insanity includes supporting people who will not support you.

People need to stop being insane.

But they won't.

They can't or will not.

Eff them too.

[OLJingoist]

Yeah I am not at all impressed with Issa.  With nearly everything the Republicans do, I feel like I'm watching what was billed as the Fight of the Century only to realize one of the boxers has been paid to take a dive.

The old dog and pony show comes to mind. 10% approval was earned .......................... Ahhh crickets from congress.