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Offline Weisshaupt

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Re: Fascism in America
« Reply #40 on: June 06, 2013, 11:05:40 AM »
So, you are only going for a common medium of exchange, something still elastic to real and artificial supply and demand, and since it would not be Neo-Keynesians running the show we can rest peacefully knowing the old manipulation games are not 24/7/365 in the center ring of the circus.  The long-term stores of value should still be valued commodities, much as it was throughout our history, sans the debasement of course.  Fraud of any kind can be made a capital crime and punished accordingly...no more Corzines!

Two Common mediums of exchange. One naturally Speculative and one naturally Sound. I am sure there are still short term games that could be played  - high taxes forcing Blue Dollars in demand,  but no immediate spending to create a reverse National Bit Coin demand, and vice versa- and I have no illusion that a different power structure for the Fed will prevent graft and corruption. Its more to make graft and corruption more difficult. Cronies could be used as proxies for spending..  a secret deal to give Citibank a Trillion dollars and suddenly Citibank is a philanthropist who will "contribute" to social security by running their own welfare program or some such.  Likewise, this would do nothing to stop TARP-like moves, where Huge loans are made to corporation at low rates in bail outs etc.  Only the governments would be required to have all non defense spending in bitcoin..  But Bitcoin serves as an Anchor to the Blue Dollar,  much as Gold did to the Greenback till the gold window closed. They can only take it so far out of whack.   If they take it farther,  in effect printing and  inflating Blue Dollars supply, bitcoin cannot grow any faster ( there can be no race to the bottom  like we see with Euro vs. Dollar vs. Yen vs. Yuan...)  - the "Stagflation" we are seeing now would result in price inflation in blue dollars, and possible price deflation in National BitCoin - Savers in Bit Coin  are rewarded, speculators in Blue Dollars are punished. This will likewise do nothing to fix the HFT trading or large money inflows into markets. The only thing I can think to do there is place mandatory life-times on bids and asks that are in the seconds, if not minutes.  Highest bid in those windows wins ( and must pay, even if price falls during the bid window)   - likewise, there should be  a minimum holding time for a security - 3 days to a week I think.  Much of the volatility in the market is due to these people trying to make a fast buck by being faster than the crowd.  This would make that near impossible, and hopefully the result would be a market in which day traders are a thing of the past, and the goal is investing  for longer term frames,  and "not the get rich quick by screwing the latecomer" that turns the market into a casino.  I am sure there would still be gamers in the system. .. it would just make gaming it harder.  You can no longer manipulate a market price by bidding on  your own asks -even slow-mo-Joe will get a chance to bid, so your ask better be legit.  I think I would also outlaw shorts in anything but commodities (in a commodity , a short allows a producer  to sell his risk on the amount of production  to someone who can more afford the loss if the bet goes south)  - I don't see how Shorts are anything but gambling in terms of Stocks and non-commodity contracts.  A producer has factors outside their control that affect yields, and market price at a given time. The risk is inherent in the production.   If you hold company A, what legitimate reason do you have to sell your risk to another? You assumed the risk buying the stock ( in someone else's production) . Sell the stock now for what its worth and stop complaining.

I am not sure if National BitCoin should even be traded internationally - Not doing so would give us a sort of firewall between internal transactions and foreign markets.  In other-words a Foreigner would have to take his local currency, transfer it to blue dollars, and then, in an American owned and operated bank,  convert the blue dollars to bitcoin.  Since bit coins can be moved only using a connection to the bit coin servers, and since there is no bitcoin cash,  access to the currency can be strictly  controlled. (currently  Bit coin is being used in just the opposite  way -  Folks in Greece were getting around capital controls by buying bitcoin locally and redeeming it internationally)  I am not against having and participating in second International Bit coin system as well,  I just see it as a possible threat to the safety of the sound money we are trying to create in America.  If an international system of sound money gains traction and  becomes the new reserve, its all to  the better, as a system like that prevents any country from gaining the power of the reserve and abusing it ( as we arguably have done in the last 50 years)

In the end, you can only make things better. You can't fix them. That is the problem with Liberals - they are looking to fix things, and inevitably set up incentives that result in undesired behaviors ( which they then set out to  fix - becoming ever more totalitarian with each iteration)  Eventually the liberals look around, decide the situation is really not optimal - because totalitarianism never is, and just move from California or Detroit and repeat the process.   Liberals try to change Human Nature itself - to build a better person, by force.  You will like it once you see what is in it- once you are ground under my iron boot you will see I was right! . That is why they fail.  Each. And.  Every. Time.  Some humans will always Aim to misbehave.  And the liberal solution is to always kill those humans who refuse to submit to their tyranny. Mass Murder= Utopia.  Just around the corner. I promise. Human Nature is a river, and the   the founders simply tried to balance and channel human nature into more productive courses.  Liberals always, always, always try to dam the river and allow nothing to flow to the other side. The consequences are obvious and inevitable. Each and every time.


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Re: Fascism in America
« Reply #41 on: June 06, 2013, 11:53:58 AM »
International commerce could be simplified and transactions would require collateral in the form of commodities to conduct business.  I hear you on trading concerns, not sure I would ban certain transaction methods per se, but certainly I think it obvious that psuedo investments like ETFs and derrivatives need to be banned, ending the paper-chase manipulation game needs to end, as does the practice of incestuous debt sharing suicide pacts between banks/nations.  Everything must be made to stand on its own merit, subject to real supply and demand factors so sensible trading and bringing goods to market can be fundamentally sound.  There may need to be some short-term smoothing to prevent hiccups, but if done on a contractual basis there is still the risk/reward and penalty/premium at play to keep people honest and smoking out scammers would be eaiser and penalties severe enough (split the perps assets among those affected and then lop their head off!) to ensure people stay in the lines.
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Re: Fascism in America
« Reply #42 on: June 06, 2013, 06:41:47 PM »
International commerce could be simplified and transactions would require collateral in the form of commodities to conduct business.  I hear you on trading concerns, not sure I would ban certain transaction methods per se, but certainly I think it obvious that psuedo investments like ETFs and derrivatives need to be banned, ending the paper-chase manipulation game needs to end, as does the practice of incestuous debt sharing suicide pacts between banks/nations.  Everything must be made to stand on its own merit, subject to real supply and demand factors so sensible trading and bringing goods to market can be fundamentally sound.  There may need to be some short-term smoothing to prevent hiccups, but if done on a contractual basis there is still the risk/reward and penalty/premium at play to keep people honest and smoking out scammers would be eaiser and penalties severe enough (split the perps assets among those affected and then lop their head off!) to ensure people stay in the lines.
It looks as if we have the basics in proposal and with some fine tuning we can make it worthwhile investment wise. International investment can be a good thing when done correctly. However, we need to have strict rules to eliminate the scammers and manipulators like Soros and his ilk. HFT is gone no matter what. We know why they do it and it's attractiveness for evil bastards as you say just looking to make a quick buck.

The national debt is easy, sell of the assets the govt has illegally bought or stolen in the name of conservation. Combine mining and drilling for energy with lower rates of taxation as production gets higher and you have a winner. We need incentives for investment not punishment for producing "evil product". Screw that, that has to stop immediately and those that argue for a continuance of those policies will naturally need to be stripped and executed. I want a wealthy nation, rich in resources and hard working folks, new technologies. I want the standard of living to increase as oppose to what we have today with the elites claiming we all have to get by with less while they continue to rake everyone over the coals.
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Re: Fascism in America
« Reply #43 on: June 07, 2013, 07:15:44 AM »
International commerce could be simplified and transactions would require collateral in the form of commodities to conduct business.  I hear you on trading concerns, not sure I would ban certain transaction methods per se, but certainly I think it obvious that psuedo investments like ETFs and derrivatives need to be banned, ending the paper-chase manipulation game needs to end, as does the practice of incestuous debt sharing suicide pacts between banks/nations.  Everything must be made to stand on its own merit, subject to real supply and demand factors so sensible trading and bringing goods to market can be fundamentally sound.  There may need to be some short-term smoothing to prevent hiccups, but if done on a contractual basis there is still the risk/reward and penalty/premium at play to keep people honest and smoking out scammers would be eaiser and penalties severe enough (split the perps assets among those affected and then lop their head off!) to ensure people stay in the lines.
It looks as if we have the basics in proposal and with some fine tuning we can make it worthwhile investment wise. International investment can be a good thing when done correctly. However, we need to have strict rules to eliminate the scammers and manipulators like Soros and his ilk. HFT is gone no matter what. We know why they do it and it's attractiveness for evil bastards as you say just looking to make a quick buck.

The national debt is easy, sell of the assets the govt has illegally bought or stolen in the name of conservation. Combine mining and drilling for energy with lower rates of taxation as production gets higher and you have a winner. We need incentives for investment not punishment for producing "evil product". Screw that, that has to stop immediately and those that argue for a continuance of those policies will naturally need to be stripped and executed. I want a wealthy nation, rich in resources and hard working folks, new technologies. I want the standard of living to increase as oppose to what we have today with the elites claiming we all have to get by with less while they continue to rake everyone over the coals.

Heh, running that government auction could be fun.  Not sure we have enough to cover all sovereign debt accumulated by the old regime, there would need to be some mutal writeoffs between entities holding each others paper (nations and individuals/corps), the balance renogotiated to reflect the new economy.
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Re: Fascism in America
« Reply #44 on: June 07, 2013, 08:50:57 AM »
I'm fairly certain, the auction for executioners, part of the firing squad etc..., would cover the debt. I  know I'd pay good money to off some of these scum bags. How many of the EPA's victims would be willing to bid for their asses? Now think about all the other ABC agencies, the list would be hundreds of thousands. ::rockets:: Television rights, Pay per view. I should think there would be no problem forking over the money to see those that terrorized your family and drove the country off the cliff, executed.
This would set a great precedent for history and the rest of Europe, I should think their populations would get a good kick out of it to.
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Re: Fascism in America
« Reply #45 on: June 07, 2013, 11:33:18 AM »
I hope officeholders are not exempt from participation!   ::whoohoo::
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Re: Fascism in America
« Reply #46 on: June 07, 2013, 12:07:01 PM »
I hope officeholders are not exempt from participation!   ::whoohoo::

As SecDef, I would just be happy to provide the weapons and ammo.  But I do like to be more than happy from time to time.
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Re: Fascism in America
« Reply #47 on: June 07, 2013, 01:26:17 PM »
I want to be in charge of waste recycling.  Live waste recycling.

http://m.guardiannews.com/world/2013/jun/07/bolivian-man-buried-alive-woman

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Villagers in Bolivia's southern highlands buried a teenager alive in the grave of a woman he was suspected of having raped and murdered, an official has said.

Police had identified 17-year-old Santos Ramos as the possible culprit in the attack on 35-year-old Leandra Arias Janco last Sunday in a Quechua community near the municipality of Colquechaca, said José Luis Barrios, the chief prosecutor in Potosí province, where the community is located.

More than 200 enraged locals seized Ramos and buried him alive alongside his alleged victim on Wednesday night, according to Barrios. He said that the following day, residents blocked the road to the community, preventing police and prosecutors from reaching it.

A reporter for an indigenous radio station, who spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals, told the Associated Press that Ramos was tied up at the woman's funeral. Mourners threw him into the open grave, placed the woman's coffin in it and filled the grave with earth.

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Re: Fascism in America
« Reply #48 on: June 07, 2013, 02:28:24 PM »
Dayum!  Now, not sure I want that fertilizer beneath me...but, gotta love the attitude of the locals!   ::cool::
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Re: Fascism in America
« Reply #49 on: June 07, 2013, 08:03:07 PM »

No more rapes in that neighborhood for a long time.