Topic: The Trayvon Martin/Zimmerman Trial Thread

[AlanS]

Honestly, at this point, a hung jury would be the best of both worlds. Perhaps the State of Florida would be able to say "Okay, we tried him. Now, y'all just go back to where y'all came from and put down that gasoline."

Don't see that happening with the low information crowd.

[Pandora]

The TM supporters have settled on a theme: GZ was the instigator of the confrontation because GZ followed TM, even after the "police" told him "not to get out of his car." So, TM had the "right" to "assault" GZ because TM was in fear for his life. TM was responding to GZ following him.

Yeah, I know. Factually flawed and not supported by the evidence.

I see a hung jury or a compromise verdict of manslaughter. Honestly, at this point, a hung jury would be the best of both worlds. Perhaps the State of Florida would be able to say "Okay, we tried him. Now, y'all just go back to where y'all came from and put down that gasoline."

That's one of the pieces of this that fries me the most, they're so damned misinformed.  I know I posted elsewhere that some nitwit (local forum) wrote that GZ's "boss" told him not to follow.

They're also making a big deal, in some quarters, about Zimmerman's Criminal Justice courses, as though it goes to motive -- you know, "he took the class so he knew how to break the law and get away with it".  Another one is "wanna-be cop".  Once upon a time (not currently), it wasn't a bad thing to aspire in that direction, but they're wrong about this too; GZ was interested in Prosecutor work.  His father is a retired magistrate in Virginia.

And, in all honesty, I haven't been following the trial that closely; I picked this up from skimming.  It's just a matter of seeking better sources.

[Libertas]

Defense closing arguments going on, debunking ridiculous theories like the training GZ had, inconsistencies of witnesses, etc...

I just hope the verdict is quick...if our cities start to burn from rioting idiots, better it happens when I am not in it...

ETA - Defense is done.

Is this when the life-long democrat judge instructs the jury to convict Zimmerman?

[Glock32]

The TM supporters have settled on a theme: GZ was the instigator of the confrontation because GZ followed TM, even after the "police" told him "not to get out of his car." So, TM had the "right" to "assault" GZ because TM was in fear for his life. TM was responding to GZ following him.

Yeah, I know. Factually flawed and not supported by the evidence.

I see a hung jury or a compromise verdict of manslaughter. Honestly, at this point, a hung jury would be the best of both worlds. Perhaps the State of Florida would be able to say "Okay, we tried him. Now, y'all just go back to where y'all came from and put down that gasoline."

That's one of the pieces of this that fries me the most, they're so damned misinformed.  I know I posted elsewhere that some nitwit (local forum) wrote that GZ's "boss" told him not to follow.

They're also making a big deal, in some quarters, about Zimmerman's Criminal Justice courses, as though it goes to motive -- you know, "he took the class so he knew how to break the law and get away with it".  Another one is "wanna-be cop".  Once upon a time (not currently), it wasn't a bad thing to aspire in that direction, but they're wrong about this too; GZ was interested in Prosecutor work.  His father is a retired magistrate in Virginia.

And, in all honesty, I haven't been following the trial that closely; I picked this up from skimming.  It's just a matter of seeking better sources.

Plus, TM made it back to his house and then left it to go after GZ. Hardly fits with their theory that GZ was the instigator of some confrontation that TM participated in out of fear/necessity. Leaving the safety of his home to confront GZ makes him the instigator of the events that lead to the shooting.

Also, both of them made phone calls. GZ called the police. TM called the halfwit that was on the stand last week. If GZ was really wanting to play Charles Bronson from Death Wish, why would he have made contact with the police prior to this? He could have just confronted TM, baited him into an altercation, and only contacted the police after the fact .

Besides, you don't have a right to physically confront someone just for being an a-hole. So even if GZ was following TM around, and even if he was being a d-bag about it, this doesn't exonerate TM for starting a fight and bashing the guy's head into the curb. I know that will come as a surprise to the LIV community.

[RickZ]

I see a hung jury or a compromise verdict of manslaughter.

Zimmerman being convicted of manslaughter is the same thing as Zimmerman being given the death penalty.  If convicted, Zimmerman will die in prison at the end of a shank within a week of his being processed into the general pop; I'm not sure protective custody would save Zimmerman.

[BigAlSouth]

Best part of the tral so far? The four minutes Mark O'Mara took without speaking to theatrically show the jury how much time lil Tray-Tray had to get away from the creepy ass cracker and just go home. (Instead, we can surmise from the prosecution's evidence that TM used that time to tell Jentile he had to go, then put the earbuds/Bluetooth* in his pocket, then double back to lie in wait for GZ.)

BTW, I had a friend who worked for the Feds. He was showing off his new Bluetooth all the gummit employees were given to accessorize their Blackberrys. I said:

"That's really cool, Jim. But the only people I know who who wear those downtown are drug dealers and Pimps."

* * *

Draw your own conclusion . . .


*BlueTooth: a cellphone accessory that allows hand-free use of the phone.

[RickZ]

[BigAlSouth]

Picked up a nice bit of speculation while "out there."

Some of the evidence kept out of court from the cell phone was a conversation with "Fruit." Speculation is that Trayvon had a weapon on his person and returned to Brandi's condo to drop it off, because he didn't want to have it when he delivered the cracker beating. (Checkit: LegalInsurrection.com )

Think about it. Why would TrayTray even need to go to Brandi's house before he doubled back to the sidewalk T? It does not make sense that he was "safe at home" and then returned to the T for an altercation. He could have just waited near the T.

Hmmmmmmm.

[warpmine]

Picked up a nice bit of speculation while "out there."

Some of the evidence kept out of court from the cell phone was a conversation with "Fruit." Speculation is that Trayvon had a weapon on his person and returned to Brandi's condo to drop it off, because he didn't want to have it when he delivered the cracker beating. (Checkit: LegalInsurrection.com )

Think about it. Why would TrayTray even need to go to Brandi's house before he doubled back to the sidewalk T? It does not make sense that he was "safe at home" and then returned to the T for an altercation. He could have just waited near the T.

Hmmmmmmm.

Of course, none of it makes any sense, evidence was with held to slant the narrative to which the prosecution f**ked up anyway.

If he did stop by fruit's house, he could have called his father, his mother or even the police to report what was going down all of which would have told him to stay put but that again would have destroyed the true motive of the thug that was planning to extract a toll for perceived harassment.

[Libertas]

..and the pants have to be at half-mast, eh?

PS-Love the new avatar!  

[BigAlSouth]

If he did stop by fruit's house, he could have called his father, his mother or even the police to report what was going down

They say "Fruit" was his father . . .

[Libertas]

Innocent. Better haul ass and disappear.

[IronDioPriest]

The jusctice system functioned, even though the full weight of the Leftist injustice machine came to bear down against justice and against George Zimmerman.

Remnants of this great nation and its character still exist. I am so relieved, and simultaneously terrified for the life and safety of George Zimmerman. I'm guessing he knows less about what actually happened to him than we do, so I pray that he understands the danger he is in.

[warpmine]

A most noteworthy comment from IOTW "I can’t beleive in this day and age someone can kill the presidents imaginary son and get by with it!"

[RickZ]

Color me shocked the jury reached a Not Guilty verdict, especially considering all the racial pressure on them this kangaroo trial has engendered.  I honestly thought they'd 'compromise' on a manslaughter conviction, even though the sentence for manslaughter is only marginally better than the sentence for 2nde Degree Murder, that is to say, not much difference at all.

[BigAlSouth]

And still Sharpton continues to spew his bile. "Trayvon was a young boy who was doing nothing wrong when he was shot by Zimmerman."

I guess Assault and Battery does not count.

[Libertas]

Color me shocked the jury reached a Not Guilty verdict, especially considering all the racial pressure on them this kangaroo trial has engendered.  I honestly thought they'd 'compromise' on a manslaughter conviction, even though the sentence for manslaughter is only marginally better than the sentence for 2nde Degree Murder, that is to say, not much difference at all.
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[trapeze]

I can't say that the verdict surprises me. It does not. The state had no case. It was less a prosecution...better described as a persecution. And Zimmerman will continue to be persecuted by the media and, if I am not mistaken, by the Holder Justice Department assisted by the NAACP and innumerable other cohorts and enablers within the permanently offended race industry.

[Glock32]

Yeah I expect Da Fedz to step in with some BS civil rights charge. They have a history of being Plan B when a railroading in state courts doesn't go the "right" way.

If I were Zimmerman I'd GTFO of this whole country. He should go to the Caribbean or Latin America where "his people" are the majority, and live off of the lawsuit awards he should be receiving from all and sundry. The governmedia of this country consistently communicates the message that rank ethnic tribalism is the only way to be somewhat safe, so I guess that's what he will need to do.

[RickZ]

If y'all missed watching the somber, sad, ignorant faces of the MSLSD crowd after the verdict, you missed Must See TV!  And yes, Sharpton was his usual race-baiting self.

Zimmerman already has a lawsuit against NBC in the works.  But I expect to see Eric the Red pursue a civil rights violation case against Zimmerman.  Of course, Traygone was denied his civil right -- to be a thug.  Oh well.  Too bad, so sad.  Justice was served on Traygone the night he was killed.

I'm curious to see if Zimmerman sues the State/Corey for malicious prosecution, abuse of office, etc.  That scrunt Corey needs to have the full Nifong put on her 'professional' career.

I want to read about why the IT guy was fired.  Dear ol' Corey refused to answer that question at the post mortem press conference, instead stating they put out a letter.  She's too stupid to be able to remember anything from that letter?  Appears so.

One of the comments I've been seeing, and I love, is that Zimmerman 'profiled' Traygone, and that profiling is illegal.  How stupid these people are.


http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/13/19441838-jury-finds-george-zimmerman-not-guilty?lite&gt1=43001

--SNIP--

Prosecutors said they were disappointed but accepted the decision. Assistant State Attorney Bernie de la Rionda told reporters that the case boiled down to a matter of “who was following who.”

“You had a 17-year-old kid who was minding his own business, wearing a hoodie, and gets accosted, gets followed by an individual who wants to be a cop,” he said.

A court spokeswoman, Michelle Kennedy, said that the jurors had “no desire to speak to media,” and she warned reporters that an order protecting their anonymity was still in effect.

Zimmerman, 29, who is of white and Hispanic descent, said he was acting in self-defense when he shot the unarmed Martin, who was black, during an altercation in a gated community of Sanford, Fla., on Feb. 26, 2012.

The NAACP issued a statement shortly after the verdict saying that justice had not prevailed. Roslyn M. Brock, the organization’s chairman, said the case had “re-energized the movement to end racial profiling in the United States.”

Another of Zimmerman’s lawyers, Mark O’Mara, said that the case had become a “civil rights event,” and that Zimmerman had been made a scapegoat.

Answering a reporter’s hypothetical question, he said: “I think that things would have been different if George Zimmerman was black for this reason: He never would have been charged with a crime.”

--SNIP--

George Zimmerman has sued NBC Universal for defamation. The company strongly denies the allegation.

I hate to break the news to the racist hothouse wallflower Cupcakes at the NAACP, but individuals are allowed to profile.  We can profile niggah thugs all we want.  But we see what happens when the government does NOT profile:  We get an illegal alien policy of 'the problem's too big to enforce' and TSA agents sexually assaulting little kids and grandmas while jihadis in full regalia sail through.  We see a government policy of harassing TEA Party groups while not being able to find two terrorists in Boston for whom they were provided their names. This whole kangaroo trial by racist mobs is not over.  Traygone's family will sue him (the criminal verdict might help him in that civil trial, although it didn't help the murderer OJ Simpson).  The race baiters and our Government will not allow this verdict to stand unanswered.  Zimmerman is guilty of something, and they know it.  They just can't figure out yet how the jury saw otherwise.

There is also the consensus comment I've heard that this verdict sends a signal that it is open season on 'young black men wearing hoodies'.  I wish.