Topic: Illegal: barter currency

[charlesoakwood]

Roosevelt confiscated all gold in the early 1930's. The Progressives continue to work toward a more complete control perfect society. If they control a peoples access to goods, services and food they control the people. Bernard vonNotHaus has given them an opportunity to advance their goal. A court victory will make private barter illegal by allowing them to define "private barter currency".  When the dollar is inflated to worthlessness and barter is illegal they shall have achieved control.

Utopia!

"The prosecutors successfully painted Mr. von NotHaus in a false light and now the U.S. Attorney responsible for the prosecution is painting the case in a false light, saying that it establishes that private voluntary barter currency is illegal," [attorney] Michel wrote.

They may say anything you use to trade for another good or service renders it a private currency.  The motor scooter you trade for a snow blower is an illegal trade because the scooter becomes currency when you use it for trade.

This goof, vonNutHaus, by using some US coinage symbols asked to be prosecuted, they had no option.  He has also opened the door to unintended consequences.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvHhqr8OeFc&feature=player_embedded#at=74

Ron Paul on Liberty Dollar Raid

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/04/04/business-us-liberty-dollars-raid_8390437.html
http://avstop.com/march_2011/bernard_von_nothaus_convicted_of_minting_his_own_currency.htm

[IronDioPriest]

Bartering is a HUGE - HUGE - HUGE - underground economy.

[trapeze]

As long as there is cash then things can be exchanged off the books. When they move to eliminate cash, that is when you will know that the end is near.

Think of all of the tax free money that is currently earned...anyone who works for tips, for instance...having to suddenly go "on record." That will be an unhappy day.

Think also of the goldbug trend in the last several years. People are still buying gold because they fear (rightfully so) the weakening of the dollar...increased inflation and its inevitable lower dollar purchasing power.


Recently, Illinois moved to tax internet transactions that were vaguely connected to their state. Amazon responded by immediately terminating any and all Illinois based vendors. The vendors will have no recourse other than to live without Amazon business or move out of state. I expect that Illinois will be moving to push a nationwide internet tax so that they can have their revenue without having to suffer their victims wising up and moving to a different state.

Another point would be the stockpiling of guns and ammo for the purpose of being able to properly deal with anarchy.

These items and the above mentioned private currency are all threads in the same cloth that may or may not be woven together in the near future. Undoubtedly there are other threads not mentioned but the idea is the same: a growing and expanding soft tyranny.

This is why they so fear the Tea Party. Because it alone stands against this trend.

Anyway...a lot of rambling and random thoughts here but this really is what Toonces wants...the chaos and instability. Crashing the system. Cloward/Pivens and all that crap. I really, really don't like these guys.

[Pandora]

"They" can say whatever "they" want about making barter illegal, however, should "they" decide to press the issue, someone is likely to put "them" on the opposite end of a barter with elemental metals.

It's past time.

[rickl]

It's past time.

Yes it is.

I've known it was coming from the moment Obama was elected.  It's time to get on with it.  The longer we wait the worse it will be.

But nobody wants to be first, and I can hardly blame them.

[Pandora]

It's past time.

Yes it is.

I've known it was coming from the moment Obama was elected.  It's time to get on with it.  The longer we wait the worse it will be.

But nobody wants to be first, and I can hardly blame them.

No, I don't blame anyone either.  It can't be one here, one there; that's how we'll be picked off.

Maybe when the Tea Partiers realize that what they're doing is making an impression but not much of a change, there'll be an organizing toward a goal using different methods.  I don't know.  What I do know is if something can't continue, it won't.  We better be ready for that.

/I had a really bad "they walk among us (the oblivions)" day.

[IronDioPriest]

Ten Million Man March. Swarm DC. Physically remove the offenders.

It's a fantasy of mine.

[Glock32]

"They" can say whatever "they" want about making barter illegal, however, should "they" decide to press the issue, someone is likely to put "them" on the opposite end of a barter with elemental metals.

It's past time.

Damn right. This talk of "they" declaring that "they" are not going to allow barter reminds me of some early American history. I invite "them" to read about the so-called Revenuers and the Whiskey Rebellion.

Do people not even listen to the words of the national anthem anymore? The final stanza is the most famous one:

O! say does that star-spangled banner yet wave,
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave

How much of the intrusion of government into our daily lives can be reconciled with any notion of this being "the land of the free"? In the land of the free, I can conduct trade with any other citizen as we see fit. There's an uppance that has been a long, long, long time coming.

[Libertas]

Ten Million Man March. Swarm DC. Physically remove the offenders.

It's a fantasy of mine.

Me too.

But mine includes tar, feathers and rails.

A Revival of the Spirit of '76!

[ToddF]

He's in trouble for mimiking too closely, US money, not for bartering.  Using the term "dollar" is a no no.

You just can't go creating your own monetary system.

[OLJingoist]

He's in trouble for mimiking too closely, US money, not for bartering.  Using the term "dollar" is a no no.

You just can't go creating your own monetary system.

Even if it is probably more stable than US currency.

[John Florida]

He's in trouble for mimiking too closely, US money, not for bartering.  Using the term "dollar" is a no no.

You just can't go creating your own monetary system.

 You mean if he called it a pound it would be OK?They wanted his ass and would use any reason they thought they could get away with.

[Sectionhand]

But mine includes tar, feathers and rails.

High-Speed Rails .... 

[Libertas]

He's in trouble for mimiking too closely, US money, not for bartering.  Using the term "dollar" is a no no.

You just can't go creating your own monetary system.

 You mean if he called it a pound it would be OK?They wanted his ass and would use any reason they thought they could get away with.

Sounds right to me.

I would have had them stamped "Real Wampum"!

 

[Libertas]

But mine includes tar, feathers and rails.

High-Speed Rails .... 

The faster they leave the better!

 

[Sectionhand]

Bartering is a HUGE - HUGE - HUGE - underground economy.

I do it as often as possible !

[Libertas]

Bartering is a HUGE - HUGE - HUGE - underground economy.

I do it as often as possible !

I think the way we're going it will only increase.  They cannot get everyone, and at some point they won't even bother!

[Sectionhand]

Bartering is a HUGE - HUGE - HUGE - underground economy.

I do it as often as possible !

I think the way we're going it will only increase.  They cannot get everyone, and at some point they won't even bother!

I try to violate silly federal laws on a regular basis . In the past I have repeatedly and profligately violated The Mann Act and if The Volstead act was still on the books I violate IT too ! 

[Dan]

Ten Million Man March. Swarm DC. Physically remove the offenders.

It's a fantasy of mine.

Me too.

But mine includes tar, feathers and rails.

A Revival of the Spirit of '76!

But those courses-of-action leave 'em alive!

[ToddF]

He's in trouble for mimiking too closely, US money, not for bartering.  Using the term "dollar" is a no no.

You just can't go creating your own monetary system.

 You mean if he called it a pound it would be OK?They wanted his ass and would use any reason they thought they could get away with.

If he just went up to a store clerk and offered to trade an oz of silver for whatever, he would have been ok.  Creating a coing, labeling it "dollar," even if it does have real value in the form of silver content, is a no no.