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Re: The Republican Party Explained
« Reply #20 on: August 06, 2013, 10:20:56 PM »

Floridians told us from the start that when he was in the FL legislature, he was pro-illegals; it's a matter of record.

Somehow I missed that. Don't know how but I did. And then there was all of that "no way I'm gonna let amnesty happen," stuff and it seemed authentic and all...

...so to me, it's a betrayal. And no, I don't care if Floridians warned me about it, it is a betrayal and I won't forgive that.
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Re: The Republican Party Explained
« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2013, 05:41:39 AM »

Floridians told us from the start that when he was in the FL legislature, he was pro-illegals; it's a matter of record.

Somehow I missed that. Don't know how but I did. And then there was all of that "no way I'm gonna let amnesty happen," stuff and it seemed authentic and all...

...so to me, it's a betrayal. And no, I don't care if Floridians warned me about it, it is a betrayal and I won't forgive that.
Still better than RINO Crist on any day but agreed, betrayal of campaign. I hate lawyers and this is the main reason why, they're trained liars.
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Re: The Republican Party Explained
« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2013, 07:02:04 AM »

Floridians told us from the start that when he was in the FL legislature, he was pro-illegals; it's a matter of record.

Somehow I missed that. Don't know how but I did. And then there was all of that "no way I'm gonna let amnesty happen," stuff and it seemed authentic and all...

...so to me, it's a betrayal. And no, I don't care if Floridians warned me about it, it is a betrayal and I won't forgive that.
Still better than RINO Crist on any day but agreed, betrayal of campaign. I hate lawyers and this is the main reason why, they're trained liars.

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Re: The Republican Party Explained
« Reply #23 on: August 07, 2013, 12:09:54 PM »

Floridians told us from the start that when he was in the FL legislature, he was pro-illegals; it's a matter of record.

no one listens

many of these people have histories that are eye brow raising and it's gets swept under the rug because he says he's one of us

I've seen it locally.  The candidate says he's pro-life then gets in office and then he's not voting pro-life.  Welllll, those pro-life votes before turn out not to be so pro-life when they get looked at.  But too late he's elected to a higher office.
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Re: The Republican Party Explained
« Reply #24 on: August 07, 2013, 01:04:57 PM »
This is why I believe every election year should have a new system wherein 10% of the sitting Congress is forced to perform in a Running Man competition. Winners get to keep their seat. Losers get to provide economic stimulus to the mortuary business.

The formula for choosing the 10% will assign a score to each member, and the heaviest weighted component will be number of years in office.
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Re: The Republican Party Explained
« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2013, 05:22:39 PM »
This is why I believe every election year should have a new system wherein 10% of the sitting Congress is forced to perform in a Running Man competition. Winners get to keep their seat. Losers get to provide economic stimulus to the mortuary business.

The formula for choosing the 10% will assign a score to each member, and the heaviest weighted component will be number of years in office.
That's one hell of a good idea, Glock. ::thumbsup::
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Re: The Republican Party Explained
« Reply #26 on: August 07, 2013, 06:05:06 PM »
  Rubio got elected because the other choice was Charlie Crist.I have come to the point in my life where I might vote for the democrat to dump a useless rino and settle it in the next election. That my friends is how we get rid of the establishment Repubs.

 If somebody out there could call the plays all we have to do is vote so as not to lose control of the house but we can still dump the most worthless ones ASAP.Once that gets out in DC we will have our government back cause the rest will pay attention as to how it's done.
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Re: The Republican Party Explained
« Reply #27 on: August 07, 2013, 07:04:08 PM »
So you're still holding out hope this problem can be resolved through the electorate?
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Re: The Republican Party Explained
« Reply #28 on: August 07, 2013, 07:17:41 PM »
So you're still holding out hope this problem can be resolved through the electorate?

  I have to hang on to some damned thing.
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Re: The Republican Party Explained
« Reply #29 on: August 07, 2013, 07:40:19 PM »
So you're still holding out hope this problem can be resolved through the electorate?

  I have to hang on to some damned thing.

I thought you had a new Beretta?   ::saywhat::
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Re: The Republican Party Explained
« Reply #30 on: August 07, 2013, 08:27:38 PM »
So you're still holding out hope this problem can be resolved through the electorate?

  I have to hang on to some damned thing.

I thought you had a new Beretta?   ::saywhat::

 I keep telling you that I sold it and the 2K rounds of ammo and all the shotguns a while back.
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Re: The Republican Party Explained
« Reply #31 on: August 07, 2013, 09:17:30 PM »
So you're still holding out hope this problem can be resolved through the electorate?

  I have to hang on to some damned thing.

I thought you had a new Beretta?   ::saywhat::

 I keep telling you that I sold it and the 2K rounds of ammo and all the shotguns a while back.

Oh, yeah.  Up here we got lots of boating accidents.
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Re: The Republican Party Explained
« Reply #32 on: August 08, 2013, 03:46:33 PM »
I did not know that Ace has, like me, given up on the GOP. That was made very plain today with this post...

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...there are only so many times one can say "I'm quitting this party and will henceforth only support third party candidates."

Well, I have said it. Many of us have. We mean it. And it's over.

Go ahead and do what you like, GOP. The divorce is final.

Done.

Chuck Shumer says he doesn't mind the Republicans' piecemeal strategy (passing small separate bills on immigration), because he intends just to collect them all up into a single bill which will be "conferenced" with the Senate, and then he'll deliver amnesty just as the Gang of Eight has long plotted.

I guess this is why I'm not terribly political anymore, or it seems as if I don't care as much. I don't. I knew this was coming, I knew there was nothing to stop it.

There will be a third party and there will be a 20 year period of Democratic dominance.

It is unavoidable.

So I have retreated into a sort of philosophical take on it all. Politics isn't fun when you always lose and worse yet your team plays to lose, because secretly they have a great deal of affection for and allegiance to the other side.

There's no point plotting this move and that move; all moves are failures and result in the same dismal outcome. I don't know if it is an effective strategy to just retreat into the completely impractical/philosophical, but I do know I have no interest in playing a ludicrous game in which there is only one set of permissible moves and only one permitted outcome.

I don't want to play this pretend-game. There is no point to this pretend-game, except to snooker people into thinking they have some input into the system, which they do not.

For those of us who are done: You may have our acquiesensce but you will no longer have our votes.

It's like I say about gerbils. Gerbils will always get out of their cages because all they do is plot 14 hours per day how to get out of the cage. They have no other thoughts. They have no other goals.

You cannot control something that is plotting every waking hour to escape the cage.

The Republican Gerbils want this, they will never stop wanting it, they will never stop, period.

I'm tired of fighting with them. At some point, you just accept that the Gerbil wants to be free to be eaten by the cat. And you let him go.

Because you have better things to do with your time than minding a Gerbil all day long.

You know, all these months that Mickey Kaus has been saying "Hey, don't go to sleep, we have to fight amensty," I've been thinking one thing: What's the point? It's kabuki. It's nothing but a never-ending string of "breakthroughs" and "dramatic compromises" and "billions of new dollars for border security" all with the exact same goal, to con us into acquiescence.

It's always the same deal, they just try to think of somewhat different ways to say it. Like a very bad tv show. Which it all actually is, in a very real way.

But I don't want to watch this crap. And I've said so continuously.

So I'm done.

I don't know if he already announced that he was finished with the GOP and I missed it or if this is the official announcement...it can be interpreted both ways. But, yeah, this is me now. I'm finished* if I hadn't made it clear already.

As some of you know, I was involved in local Republican party stuff. I was a precinct committee rep for my county. I quit that post and turned in my Republican registration (I briefly reinstated it to vote against Romney in the primary) and I quit giving donations to the party. When did I do this? During the push for amnesty during the GWB years. Now I'm not going to vote R anymore, either. Except maybe in the general election. If I really, really like the candidate like, say, Ted Cruz. Otherwise, no. I'm done with them. I don't think my one vote will matter one way or the other anyway. If no one else takes a principled stand like I am doing then it won't matter...we will continue on with the charade and my vote won't be missed. If a lot of the base does what I'm doing then it wouldn't have mattered if I had stayed to "fight the good fight" against the coming Democrat horde.

So, yeah...get ready for a few decades wandering in the wilderness. The Democrats are going to take over completely and the country will really, really race over the cliff at light speed complete with unsustainable debt, assaults on free speech and other liberties, ultra high mega taxes (plus regulations) that will kill most small businesses, socialist/Marxist appointments to the SCOTUS, and so on and so on. The country WILL get the government that they deserve and everyone will complain about it and it will only get worse until, like the alcoholic or drug addict, they finally "bottom out" and begin to look for a different way. And it could take decades. I may never live to see it. And it may never happen because, you know...sometimes the alcoholic and drug addict just die.

Perhaps Texas really will secede (they can, you know...unlike the other states which were merely territories, Texas was an actual country before joining the union) and if it does I will probably sell out here in CO and head to my property down there. But otherwise I am now resigned to living in a socialist/utopian hell hole of a country because that's where we are pointed and there is no foot on the brake and no one is fighting over the wheel.

But no more Republican party for me. I'm not fooled anymore that there is a reason to fight. There isn't. Screw them all. I do hope that someday they are all richly rewarded for their betrayal.


*Let me qualify that: Amnesty is my red line. Once crossed, I am absolutely, positively done. But I'm kinda assuming that it's going to happen so I'm sort of pre-emptively saying that I'm done.
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Re: The Republican Party Explained
« Reply #33 on: August 08, 2013, 04:24:25 PM »
Trap, your thoughts on this pretty much sum up my feelings.

I think not voting can be a principled use of the right to vote.  I plan to use it very carefully and if no one deserves it then I'm not giving it away. If no one cares, so what, I do.

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Re: The Republican Party Explained
« Reply #34 on: August 08, 2013, 05:09:19 PM »
The only thing I disagree with Ace on is the idea that we're only looking at 20 years of Democratic domination. No, this is end game. It's not a period of banishment to the political wilderness followed by a resurgence, it's the USA being finished. I think it's finished regardless, so I don't dispute the attitude of checking out politically.

I am not prepared to spend the rest of my life living under their domination.  If I'm going to be stuck in a country governed by democratic socialists, there's lots of better choices than here.  I'd rather go somewhere like New Zealand rather than just accept the tidal wave of Mexican transformation.

I don't like thinking like a collectivist, but if I'm going to be stuck in a collective then I choose ethnic tribalism. There is not a single aspect of America's decline that doesn't ultimately lead back to the Less and Less White People, More and More Brown People dynamic.

We're approaching a point where even Russia will look more desirable than this place.
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Re: The Republican Party Explained
« Reply #35 on: August 08, 2013, 06:17:02 PM »
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Chuck Shumer says he doesn't mind the Republicans' piecemeal strategy (passing small separate bills on immigration), because he intends just to collect them all up into a single bill which will be "conferenced" with the Senate, and then he'll deliver amnesty just as the Gang of Eight has long plotted.

And THIS is EXACTLY where "compromise" leaves us. No more pharcking compromising. machinegun
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Re: The Republican Party Explained
« Reply #36 on: August 08, 2013, 10:47:03 PM »
The only thing I disagree with Ace on is the idea that we're only looking at 20 years of Democratic domination. No, this is end game. It's not a period of banishment to the political wilderness followed by a resurgence, it's the USA being finished. I think it's finished regardless, so I don't dispute the attitude of checking out politically.

Yeah, I think that might be a bit optimistic, too. But, of course, it could be that it doesn't mean what you think it means. It could mean, as you suspect, that he believes that in 20 years there will be an opportunity to reverse course (politically...our fiscal fate at that point being more or less sealed). Or, it could mean that he thinks that after 20 years of Democrat dominance the country will self destruct and that there will be some kind of a revolution and we will get a shot at putting things right at that point. I seem to remember reading somewhere, though, that democracies collapse into dictatorships so that will be bad.

But, you know...it's been a fun experiment, this country, and I'm glad that I got to see it when it was what it was supposed to be for a good chunk of my life. We were a light unto the world until we became decadent and corrupt. Now that that light is being forcibly extinguished the world will once again be plunged back into darkness and it will probably stay dark for a very, very long time.
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Re: The Republican Party Explained
« Reply #37 on: August 09, 2013, 07:34:58 AM »
I'm too fed up and foul-tempered to let a bunch of clowns drive me out...If I go out I go out on my terms and with my boots on!
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Re: The Republican Party Explained
« Reply #38 on: August 09, 2013, 01:25:02 PM »
I just heard Limbaugh say that, based on phone conversations he has had with his contacts in DC, the Democrats have the votes to pass immigration reform in the House...that amnesty is now a fait accompli.

I decided, what the heck, I will write and call my congressman just so I can know that I have pretty much done all that I can do. I wrote this:

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Sir,

Just to let you know: Whether you vote for or against immigration reform, IF it passes I will leave the Republican Party permanently. Immigration reform is my personal red line. I will never, ever vote for another Republican as long as I live. Period. Why? Because there just won't be any point to it after immigration reform. Immigration reform is a death sentence for the party. The party will be dead and there will be a permanent Democrat majority after that. I will vote for and support a third party in a post-immigration reform world.

This is not an easy decision for me. I have voted straight line Republican for over thirty five years. I have been involved in party activities including being a precinct committeeman. I have been a delegate to the Colorado State convention. But if immigration reform passes that will be, sadly, behind me.

Again, I don't know what your position is on amnesty/immigration reform. I hope you are against it. I hope you vote against it. But whether you do or you don't, if it passes, I am through with the party. Feel free to pass that on to your fellow congressmen. I seriously doubt that they will care, though, since it is pretty obvious at this point that most of the Republicans in Congress care more about what their political consultants and the media say and think that about what their constituents think and want. In that way, I really won't be leaving the party...they have purposefully left me.

I am very skeptical that you will actually read this message but I feel that I at least owe you the few minutes of my time necessary to state my view and declare my intentions.

Sincerely,

***** *****,
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I then called the DC office of my congressman and learned, much to my dismay, that he has no position on this issue. This guy is supposed to be a conservative. His office gerbil said that they were just taking people's opinions on the matter and passing them on to the congressman. I wasn't sure that I had heard him properly so I asked again what his position was and was told, again, that he did not have one. I reiterated everything that is in the above letter and said that that was my opinion and that was what I would do. The apathy on the other end of the line was palpable.

In a way this makes my decision to quit voting for and supporting Republicans that much easier.

So that's it, then.
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Re: The Republican Party Explained
« Reply #39 on: August 09, 2013, 02:20:28 PM »
In a way this makes my decision to quit voting for and supporting Republicans that much easier.

So that's it, then.

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